Week 2 - Bears @ Packers, SNF

[UMFan83]

To be fair to the coaching staff, 22 pass plays were called. Fields only got off a passing attempt on 11 of them.

 

What were the other 11? 3 sacks, 1 penalty for throwing the ball 3 yards in front of the LOS, 7 scrambles? Does this include RPO where Fields opted to run?

 

Not that it matters, just flabbergasted at the thought of Fields being given a playcall to pass 22 times and only getting off a pass in half of them.

[UMFan83]

When Fields finally got his chance to run a sort-of/semi 2-minute drill at the end of last night’s game, it was…well, not great, Bob.

 

Once I realized the Bears were going to get the ball back in a position to run a 2 minute drill, I got excited thinking maybe in a scenario like that he would at least be able to move the Bears downfield a little and show us something. Instead Play 1: Should have been intercepted, Play 2: intercepted. Yikes.

[BigSlick]

I don’t know if it’s eternal Bears brain on my end but uh…we have two games of information from Fields in his second year. A lot of it is ugly, but not all of it. Game 1, in bizarre conditions, was not an unqualified disaster, in fact I’d say it was on the whole positive. Game 2 was pretty bad.

 

The most concerning thing for me is he’s still not feeling pressure and reacting properly to it. Holding the ball too long, scrambling to the wrong area, taking unnecessary sacks. The Line is awful in pass pro and I suspect the receivers aren’t getting enough separation. But it can’t be this bad, he’s gotta get the ball out faster or leave the pocket faster.

 

I hope the Bears coaching staff lets him run on offense like a professional QB, warts and all. If it leads to blow outs, fine, we need the data. It’s a lost year regardless.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

I don’t know if it’s eternal Bears brain on my end but uh…we have two games of information from Fields in his second year. A lot of it is ugly, but not all of it. Game 1, in bizarre conditions, was not an unqualified disaster, in fact I’d say it was on the whole positive. Game 2 was pretty bad.

 

The most concerning thing for me is he’s still not feeling pressure and reacting properly to it. Holding the ball too long, scrambling to the wrong area, taking unnecessary sacks. The Line is awful in pass pro and I suspect the receivers aren’t getting enough separation. But it can’t be this bad, he’s gotta get the ball out faster or leave the pocket faster.

 

I hope the Bears coaching staff lets him run on offense like a professional QB, warts and all. If it leads to blow outs, fine, we need the data. It’s a lost year regardless.

Yea, this is kinda where I'm at.

 

Try running a modern offense and see what happens. If Fields goes 11/25 for 107 yards and 3 INTs every game, with every completion to his first read, and consistently taking sacks he shouldn't while failing to recognize open WRs, then start sending all the scouts to Alabama games.

Edited September 19, 2022 by Have a seat, Neifi

[UMFan83]

Kyler Gordon has been targeted 18 times so far this year. He's allowed 15 catches for 232 yards and a TD. One of the targets that wasn't a completion was a play where Kyler got beat but managed to recover and barely tip away a pass that would have been a sure TD. Rookie CBs often have trouble adjusting to the NFL and not a ton of non-1st round picks are asked to be a primary CB right out of the gate, so there is time to improve but damn what a horrible start for him.

 

Speaking of that this is incredible even if it says as much about Kyler as it does Jaylon:

 

 

They also didn't even run to his side of the field in the 1st half.

[UMFan83]

I don’t know if it’s eternal Bears brain on my end but uh…we have two games of information from Fields in his second year. A lot of it is ugly, but not all of it. Game 1, in bizarre conditions, was not an unqualified disaster, in fact I’d say it was on the whole positive. Game 2 was pretty bad.

 

The most concerning thing for me is he’s still not feeling pressure and reacting properly to it. Holding the ball too long, scrambling to the wrong area, taking unnecessary sacks. The Line is awful in pass pro and I suspect the receivers aren’t getting enough separation. But it can’t be this bad, he’s gotta get the ball out faster or leave the pocket faster.

 

I hope the Bears coaching staff lets him run on offense like a professional QB, warts and all. If it leads to blow outs, fine, we need the data. It’s a lost year regardless.

 

I struggle between completely agreeing and wondering if it would destroy his confidence if he was getting sacked 8 times a game and forcing throws to receivers that aren't open. Ultimately I lean towards agreeing with you though.

[gflore34]

I'm not buying the Fields' supporting cast is bad excuse, it's on him. I'll bet we can look at the film and see plenty of open receivers when he took those sacks. I'm not giving up on him however, it could be the same problem we saw with Trubisky i.e., the game' too fast and complicated, it's got to be simplified, only process half the field, etc. I know was evidence of the game being too fast for Trubisky in his practices, don't know if some of the same things have been seen from Fields.

[sneakypower]

Of course he's going to horsefeathering fail because that is what he's being set up to do. Tom Brady would fail in this position.

tbf he just beat the Saints with Scotty Miller, Breshad Perriman, Russell Gage as his most targeted pass catchers

[Old Style]

Of course he's going to horsefeathering fail because that is what he's being set up to do. Tom Brady would fail in this position.

tbf he just beat the Saints with Scotty Miller, Breshad Perriman, Russell Gage as his most targeted pass catchers

Oh for fucks sake. You cannot be serious.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Of course he's going to horsefeathering fail because that is what he's being set up to do. Tom Brady would fail in this position.

tbf he just beat the Saints with Scotty Miller, Breshad Perriman, Russell Gage as his most targeted pass catchers

 

and 40 years of experience with 10 superbowl wins (I'm clearly being sensational)

 

If TB was in his 2nd year, would he succeed with this Bears roster?

[UMFan83]

I'm not buying the Fields' supporting cast is bad excuse, it's on him. I'll bet we can look at the film and see plenty of open receivers when he took those sacks. I'm not giving up on him however, it could be the same problem we saw with Trubisky i.e., the game' too fast and complicated, it's got to be simplified, only process half the field, etc. I know was evidence of the game being too fast for Trubisky in his practices, don't know if some of the same things have been seen from Fields.

 

Most likely there were tiny slivers of time where a WR was open. A great QB would find those slivers and connect on those passes. Every time I see one of those All-22 breakdowns on Fields they point out numerous scenarios where he was a tick late and it leads to incompletions or completions where more YAC could have been had if timed better (granted, I don't watch those videos for other QBs so this could be something these 'analysts' do with every QB). It all comes back to the concerns about processing speed and time to throw. If he cannot improve in those areas, he will be a failed QB. I am not sure how you can coach those issues away unless Fields just had a mental block/fear of making the wrong decision that's causing him to process longer than normal. If that's the case, building up his confidence is probably the best way to overcome it.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I'm not buying the Fields' supporting cast is bad excuse, it's on him. I'll bet we can look at the film and see plenty of open receivers when he took those sacks. I'm not giving up on him however, it could be the same problem we saw with Trubisky i.e., the game' too fast and complicated, it's got to be simplified, only process half the field, etc. I know was evidence of the game being too fast for Trubisky in his practices, don't know if some of the same things have been seen from Fields.

 

Most likely there were tiny slivers of time where a WR was open. A great QB would find those slivers and connect on those passes. Every time I see one of those All-22 breakdowns on Fields they point out numerous scenarios where he was a tick late and it leads to incompletions or completions where more YAC could have been had if timed better (granted, I don't watch those videos for other QBs so this could be something these 'analysts' do with every QB). It all comes back to the concerns about processing speed and time to throw. If he cannot improve in those areas, he will be a failed QB. I am not sure how you can coach those issues away unless Fields just had a mental block/fear of making the wrong decision that's causing him to process longer than normal. If that's the case, building up his confidence is probably the best way to overcome it.

 

I think experience can work it out of him. He's on his second nfl offense, and I'm sure the reads are different between the two offenses. I wouldn't make any judgement on him until at least game 7 myself, and even then it would be "what does he need to work on?" with a finer focus

[CubinNY]

I think the important point here that most people are agreeing with is that they need to allow him to fail through opportunity. He may be holding the ball too long, and he isn't finding the open receiver, but they also aren't allowing him enough opportunity to learn. Maybe they see it in practice, if so their job is to correct it, not design running plays in games on 2 and 16 down a few scores.

[UMFan83]

Of course he's going to horsefeathering fail because that is what he's being set up to do. Tom Brady would fail in this position.

tbf he just beat the Saints with Scotty Miller, Breshad Perriman, Russell Gage as his most targeted pass catchers

 

and 40 years of experience with 10 superbowl wins (I'm clearly being sensational)

 

If TB was in his 2nd year, would he succeed with this Bears roster?

 

In TBs actual second year his WRs were Troy Brown, David Patten and Mark Edwards. His line was probably really good though. He had his share of struggles and several sub 200 yard passing games but that team won the Super Bowl so maybe its not the best comparison (i should probably delete bc I'm making a comparison that I'm not too serious about). But I do believe young developing QBs can still find success with subpar weapons. But you need a coaching staff that can put that QB in the best positon to succeed.

[WrigleyField 22]

Yea he's gotta learn from experience, but an extra legit pass catcher could certainly help smooth that curve a little, one would think. And I actually like Mooney quite a bit. But he's all there is really. I think I saw something about Pringle having good separation stats, but I'm thinking that may be more a product of being a tertiary option than his ability to create space.

 

Also I'm pretty much done on Kmet. He's a decent number 2 and blocker, but damn he just doesn't make a difference on an O as a target. JAG. Some fans were hyping him way too hard.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Yea he's gotta learn from experience, but an extra legit pass catcher could certainly help smooth that curve a little, one would think. And I actually like Mooney quite a bit. But he's all there is really. I think I saw something about Pringle having good separation stats, but I'm thinking that may be more a product of being a tertiary option than his ability to create space.

 

Also I'm pretty much done on Kmet. He's a decent number 2 and blocker, but damn he just doesn't make a difference on an O as a target. JAG. Some fans were hyping him way too hard.

 

Kmet was the 1st TE taken that year, but I think was always thought of as being a second tier TE in a good TE draft year (does that make sense?). That being said, he doesnt seem to be improving, at all. Its concerning.

[minnesotacubsfan]

... his WRs were Troy Brown, David Patten and Mark Edwards

 

I'd kill to have that much talent for Fields to throw to

[UMFan83]

Yea he's gotta learn from experience, but an extra legit pass catcher could certainly help smooth that curve a little, one would think. And I actually like Mooney quite a bit. But he's all there is really. I think I saw something about Pringle having good separation stats, but I'm thinking that may be more a product of being a tertiary option than his ability to create space.

 

Also I'm pretty much done on Kmet. He's a decent number 2 and blocker, but damn he just doesn't make a difference on an O as a target. JAG. Some fans were hyping him way too hard.

 

Kmet was the 1st TE taken that year, but I think was always thought of as being a second tier TE in a good TE draft year (does that make sense?). That being said, he doesnt seem to be improving, at all. Its concerning.

 

He is JAG but he shouldn't be sitting there with goose eggs after 2 weeks. Dude had 60 catches for 600+ yards last year. Fields has done a lot of check downs and dump offs in the first 2 games but all to his RBs. I realize he's been asked to block a ton to compensate for a crappy pass block but when he's done blocking he should be able to leak out and be a security blanket for Fields. Instead I don't see him anywhere.

[Tryptamine]

Maybe I just haven't noticed it before, but is it common for a team to be really solid with run blocking but hilariously bad with pass blocking? The gap between the two is just huge.

[Old Style]

Kmet sucks. He's a total bust.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Maybe I just haven't noticed it before, but is it common for a team to be really solid with run blocking but hilariously bad with pass blocking? The gap between the two is just huge.

 

i dont know that its common, but it def seems to happen to the Bears often enough. Even with Cutler who would get sacked 6 times in a game, they still had good running numbers, and I'm not sure it was all Forte

[gflore34]

Yea he's gotta learn from experience, but an extra legit pass catcher could certainly help smooth that curve a little, one would think. And I actually like Mooney quite a bit. But he's all there is really. I think I saw something about Pringle having good separation stats, but I'm thinking that may be more a product of being a tertiary option than his ability to create space.

 

Also I'm pretty much done on Kmet. He's a decent number 2 and blocker, but damn he just doesn't make a difference on an O as a target. JAG. Some fans were hyping him way too hard.

 

Couldn't agree more on Kmet, hands of stone, gets blown up by smaller players, time to move on. Maybe, when targeting the TE, try to incorporate Griffin more?

[Brian707]

Maybe I just haven't noticed it before, but is it common for a team to be really solid with run blocking but hilariously bad with pass blocking? The gap between the two is just huge.

 

Check out a high school football game, that is what the run/pass blocking difference reminds me of.

[gflore34]

Maybe I just haven't noticed it before, but is it common for a team to be really solid with run blocking but hilariously bad with pass blocking? The gap between the two is just huge.

 

Check out a high school football game, that is what the run/pass blocking difference reminds me of.

 

I've never played football however, for those who have, is it not easier to push someone out of the way in order to let someone run by than keep them from getting to someone behind you?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Maybe I just haven't noticed it before, but is it common for a team to be really solid with run blocking but hilariously bad with pass blocking? The gap between the two is just huge.

 

No. It's weird and it's entirely intentional. Every single decision Poles made on offense this offseason could be described as "well this guy kinda sucks overall but he's good at run-blocking." Including the horsefeathering wide receivers we chose.

 

I hate it.