Week 15 Bears vs. Vikings, MNF

[Bertz]

I mean the truth is you can't really say a ton of concrete things about rookie QBs. Most rookie QBs suck (at least at pure passing), and you're just trying to parse out different degrees of suck and hang your hat on certain splits or signature moments or whatever.

 

And even being the rare non-sucky rookie QB doesn't necessarily make a difference. Baker Mayfield was one of the better rookie QBs ever from a pure pocket passing standpoint and has still settled in as merely pretty good.

 

QBs improve a lot between year one and year two, and hopefully again between years two and three. But the magnitude of that improvement, from the outside, seems largely random. You just kind of have to cross your fingers and hope you got one of the good ones.

[UMFan83]

I mean the truth is you can't really say a ton of concrete things about rookie QBs. Most rookie QBs suck (at least at pure passing), and you're just trying to parse out different degrees of suck and hang your hat on certain splits or signature moments or whatever.

 

And even being the rare non-sucky rookie QB doesn't necessarily make a difference. Baker Mayfield was one of the better rookie QBs ever from a pure pocket passing standpoint and has still settled in as merely pretty good.

 

QBs improve a lot between year one and year two, and hopefully again between years two and three. But the magnitude of that improvement, from the outside, seems largely random. You just kind of have to cross your fingers and hope you got one of the good ones.

 

It's a good point... Fields could be having standard rookie struggles AND be greatly held back by terrible coaching/team, which would dip him into historically poor numbers relative to other QBs. Not to say that other rookies haven't had bad coaching, but its a bit of a unique situation. Also again it's 9 games. He does have some things he needs to work on but if you parse the numbers out, he's doing some things well and has shown enough flashes to keep my faith high.

 

If he's still in this range this time next year, then sure I'll be concerned.

[Soul]

I'm not making any judgements on Fields until I see him with a new coach and scheme.

[jumbo]

I mean the truth is you can't really say a ton of concrete things about rookie QBs. Most rookie QBs suck (at least at pure passing), and you're just trying to parse out different degrees of suck and hang your hat on certain splits or signature moments or whatever.

 

And even being the rare non-sucky rookie QB doesn't necessarily make a difference. Baker Mayfield was one of the better rookie QBs ever from a pure pocket passing standpoint and has still settled in as merely pretty good.

 

QBs improve a lot between year one and year two, and hopefully again between years two and three. But the magnitude of that improvement, from the outside, seems largely random. You just kind of have to cross your fingers and hope you got one of the good ones.

 

It's a good point... Fields could be having standard rookie struggles AND be greatly held back by terrible coaching/team, which would dip him into historically poor numbers relative to other QBs. Not to say that other rookies haven't had bad coaching, but its a bit of a unique situation. Also again it's 9 games. He does have some things he needs to work on but if you parse the numbers out, he's doing some things well and has shown enough flashes to keep my faith high.

 

If he's still in this range this time next year, then sure I'll be concerned.

 

Isn't Mac Jones the only rookie with good ratings? Fields catches a lot of flack compared to Wilson and Lawrence who are seemingly playing about the same level. The numbers I'm basing this on may be a touch out of date, but I remember reading this a few weeks earlier in the season.

[raw]

I mean the truth is you can't really say a ton of concrete things about rookie QBs. Most rookie QBs suck (at least at pure passing), and you're just trying to parse out different degrees of suck and hang your hat on certain splits or signature moments or whatever.

 

And even being the rare non-sucky rookie QB doesn't necessarily make a difference. Baker Mayfield was one of the better rookie QBs ever from a pure pocket passing standpoint and has still settled in as merely pretty good.

 

QBs improve a lot between year one and year two, and hopefully again between years two and three. But the magnitude of that improvement, from the outside, seems largely random. You just kind of have to cross your fingers and hope you got one of the good ones.

 

It's a good point... Fields could be having standard rookie struggles AND be greatly held back by terrible coaching/team, which would dip him into historically poor numbers relative to other QBs. Not to say that other rookies haven't had bad coaching, but its a bit of a unique situation. Also again it's 9 games. He does have some things he needs to work on but if you parse the numbers out, he's doing some things well and has shown enough flashes to keep my faith high.

 

If he's still in this range this time next year, then sure I'll be concerned.

 

Isn't Mac Jones the only rookie with good ratings? Fields catches a lot of flack compared to Wilson and Lawrence who are seemingly playing about the same level. The numbers I'm basing this on may be a touch out of date, but I remember reading this a few weeks earlier in the season.

 

Yeah, Wilson and Lawrence are literally at the same level. Fields and Lawrence literally have the same QB rating and the same mess from an offensive talent/coaching standpoint (though Lawrence's is ugly bad). Wilson's slightly lower, but seems to have the most stable coaching situation.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

So, here were all of the actual mistakes and break downs in "go for it" hypotheticals in the Ravens-Packers game.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/ravens-2-point-conversion-analytics-packers-005823164.html

[jersey cubs fan]

neat but this is the thread about the impending doom of tonight's bears game

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

neat but this is the thread about the impending doom of tonight's bears game

Whoops

[UMFan83]

So with yesterday's results, every Bears opponent so far this year except the Lions is .500 or better when not playing the Bears. A bit misleading because the CLE/LV result today will push one of those teams below .500 unless they tie.

 

LAR: 8-4

CIN: 8-5

CLE: 6-6

DET: 2-9-1

LV: 6-6

GB: 9-3

TB: 9-4

SF: 7-6

PIT: 6-6-1

BAL: 7-6

DET: 2-9-1

ARI: 9-4

GB: 9-3

[Tryptamine]

I feel like the the Vikings at -6.5 is an incredibly safe bet right now. I'd be fairly surprised if the Bears kept it a two possession game.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

I feel like the the Vikings at -6.5 is an incredibly safe bet right now. I'd be fairly surprised if the Bears kept it a two possession game.

I know it's not the same as betting on the outcome of a game, but I'm firing up Fields for DFS.

[Bertz]

I mean the truth is you can't really say a ton of concrete things about rookie QBs. Most rookie QBs suck (at least at pure passing), and you're just trying to parse out different degrees of suck and hang your hat on certain splits or signature moments or whatever.

 

And even being the rare non-sucky rookie QB doesn't necessarily make a difference. Baker Mayfield was one of the better rookie QBs ever from a pure pocket passing standpoint and has still settled in as merely pretty good.

 

QBs improve a lot between year one and year two, and hopefully again between years two and three. But the magnitude of that improvement, from the outside, seems largely random. You just kind of have to cross your fingers and hope you got one of the good ones.

 

It's a good point... Fields could be having standard rookie struggles AND be greatly held back by terrible coaching/team, which would dip him into historically poor numbers relative to other QBs. Not to say that other rookies haven't had bad coaching, but its a bit of a unique situation. Also again it's 9 games. He does have some things he needs to work on but if you parse the numbers out, he's doing some things well and has shown enough flashes to keep my faith high.

 

If he's still in this range this time next year, then sure I'll be concerned.

 

I think he's gotta progress a little faster than that. We're seeing with Kyler Murray that sometimes the big jump comes from year 2 -> 3. We're seeing with Tua that guys don't necessarily come out guns blazing the first few weeks of their sophomore year. But I think he needs to be at least average-ish for the bulk of next year to hold out hope that he's the guy moving forward.

 

That said he's improved as the season has gone on, which I think is very encouraging. Since the debacle against Tampa he's averaging 7.7 yards per attempt, which is quite good. The turnovers and sacks have improved (though to be clear, they've gone from ludicrously high to merely very high). His QBR has averaged in the 40's, compared to the 20's through the Tampa game. Passer Rating up from 62 to 79. From a more qualitative standpoint, he seems to be adapting during halftime each week and has stepped up big during a couple of two minute drills

 

You can't just throw out the first half of the year, but if the trendlines keep pointing in the right direction it'll be hard to not chalk this rookie year up as a success.

[pitchcs]

I feel like the the Vikings at -6.5 is an incredibly safe bet right now. I'd be fairly surprised if the Bears kept it a two possession game.

 

Bears TT Over 19.5

[Brian707]

I feel like the the Vikings at -6.5 is an incredibly safe bet right now. I'd be fairly surprised if the Bears kept it a two possession game.

 

Bears TT Over 19.5

 

Nagy is calling plays tonight

[UMFan83]

Add “Acquired a future Pro Bowl player in a midseason trade” to Pace’s resume. Quinn and Grant make the Pro Bowl. The real Pro Bowl not the 6th string after everyone drops out Pro Bowl

[d_money]

Add “Acquired a future Pro Bowl player in a midseason trade” to Pace’s resume. Quinn and Grant make the Pro Bowl. The real Pro Bowl not the 6th string after everyone drops out Pro Bowl

Grants a FA after the season as well. He’s had 1 good game? I can’t figure out him making the PB

[UMFan83]

Lol Jenkins penalty on the first offensive play

[Tryptamine]

Run up the gut on 2nd and 18. Fantastic play calling as usual.

[gflore34]

Run up the gut on 2nd and 18. Fantastic play calling as usual.

 

Playing not lose baby or, win, for that matter.

[WrigleyField 22]

Deon Bush, Questionable to return, broken ankles

[d_money]

Why is Fields on a designed run?

[UMFan83]

Fields ball security is unbelievably bad. 11 fumbles in 10 games is terrible

[Derwood]

What the actual horsefeathers was that PF call?

[gflore34]

They're terrible and all but, holy horsefeathers they've been royally fucked by the zebras, from the lack of roughing the passer calls on Justin Fields to some bs calls against the defense.

[minnesotacubsfan]

This Quinn guy would have been great to have last year