Week 15 Bears vs. Vikings, MNF

[Bertz]

Was that Fields best game bc so far?

 

Statistically yes but eye test I think the Steelers game was better as he put up similar stats but on the road and in a high leverage situation.

 

Yeah I know DVOA and I think QBR take score/leverage into account and so they won't be too kind to him tonight.

It was also a pretty crummy night with his legs. That said in terms of purely just standing in the pocket and letting it rip probably his best game. .

 

[WrigleyField 22]

Lol, Cousins saying how great their defense was, what did they do? Let the Bears self-destruct nearly every time they had the ball? That's great defense? If any defense played great tonight it sure as horsefeathers wasn't the Vikings, it was far and away the Bears who played great on defense.

Yea. I actually think it was Desai's best game

Lots of Desai critics silenced tonight, although I shockingly still found one tonight on Twitter.

 

He's a good coach. He'll end up with a long NFL career.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

Was that Fields best game bc so far?

 

Statistically yes but eye test I think the Steelers game was better as he put up similar stats but on the road and in a high leverage situation.

 

Yeah I know DVOA and I think QBR take score/leverage into account and so they won't be too kind to him tonight.

It was also a pretty crummy night with his legs. That said in terms of purely just standing in the pocket and letting it rip probably his best game. .

 

It's nearly automatic that QBs have good stats like this against the Vikes. They have been the worst at defending against WR production in the entire league this year. That largely has to do with a complete lack of pass rush. which was not the case tonight. Take all of that for what you will.

[Tim]

 

Statistically yes but eye test I think the Steelers game was better as he put up similar stats but on the road and in a high leverage situation.

 

Yeah I know DVOA and I think QBR take score/leverage into account and so they won't be too kind to him tonight.

It was also a pretty crummy night with his legs. That said in terms of purely just standing in the pocket and letting it rip probably his best game. .

 

It's nearly automatic that QBs have good stats like this against the Vikes. They have been the worst at defending against WR production in the entire league this year. That largely has to do with a complete lack of pass rush. which was not the case tonight. Take all of that for what you will.

They're #1 in the NFL in sacks, according to the broadcast.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Statistically yes but eye test I think the Steelers game was better as he put up similar stats but on the road and in a high leverage situation.

 

Yeah I know DVOA and I think QBR take score/leverage into account and so they won't be too kind to him tonight.

It was also a pretty crummy night with his legs. That said in terms of purely just standing in the pocket and letting it rip probably his best game. .

 

It's nearly automatic that QBs have good stats like this against the Vikes. They have been the worst at defending against WR production in the entire league this year. That largely has to do with a complete lack of pass rush. which was not the case tonight. Take all of that for what you will.

Complete lack of pass rush? Don't they lead the league in sacks? What am I missing (I mean I know sacks can be fluky, but that fluky?)

 

Anyways, would prob like to see Fields non garbage time stats tonight.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

 

Statistically yes but eye test I think the Steelers game was better as he put up similar stats but on the road and in a high leverage situation.

 

Yeah I know DVOA and I think QBR take score/leverage into account and so they won't be too kind to him tonight.

It was also a pretty crummy night with his legs. That said in terms of purely just standing in the pocket and letting it rip probably his best game. .

 

It's nearly automatic that QBs have good stats like this against the Vikes. They have been the worst at defending against WR production in the entire league this year. That largely has to do with a complete lack of pass rush. which was not the case tonight. Take all of that for what you will.

Yes. That's because they have to blitz a lot because their D line sucks, and because teams pass on them a lot because their pass D sucks.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Yeah I know DVOA and I think QBR take score/leverage into account and so they won't be too kind to him tonight.

It was also a pretty crummy night with his legs. That said in terms of purely just standing in the pocket and letting it rip probably his best game. .

 

It's nearly automatic that QBs have good stats like this against the Vikes. They have been the worst at defending against WR production in the entire league this year. That largely has to do with a complete lack of pass rush. which was not the case tonight. Take all of that for what you will.

Yes. That's because they have to blitz a lot because their D line sucks, and because teams pass on them a lot because their pass D sucks.

Per pro football ref, they still have them falling outside the top 10 of Blitz rate. Not sure if theyre accurate or not. Good hurry% and decent pressure% too.

 

Maybe pfr has trash stats, but this seems I'll-developed as a theory.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

It's nearly automatic that QBs have good stats like this against the Vikes. They have been the worst at defending against WR production in the entire league this year. That largely has to do with a complete lack of pass rush. which was not the case tonight. Take all of that for what you will.

Yes. That's because they have to blitz a lot because their D line sucks, and because teams pass on them a lot because their pass D sucks.

Per pro football ref, they still have them falling outside the top 10 of Blitz rate. Not sure if theyre accurate or not. Good hurry% and decent pressure% too.

 

Maybe pfr has trash stats, but this seems I'll-developed as a theory.

Just outside the top 10 in blitz rate (11th) and well below average in QB knockdown % (27th) ...but their pressure rate is way higher than I thought so I guess I'm full of crap. I'll also just add in that the Vike's pace of play (6th) also helps with rate stats like sacks.

[WrigleyField 22]

Yes. That's because they have to blitz a lot because their D line sucks, and because teams pass on them a lot because their pass D sucks.

Per pro football ref, they still have them falling outside the top 10 of Blitz rate. Not sure if theyre accurate or not. Good hurry% and decent pressure% too.

 

Maybe pfr has trash stats, but this seems I'll-developed as a theory.

Just outside the top 10 in blitz rate (11th) and well below average in QB knockdown % (27th) ...but their pressure rate is way higher than I thought so I guess I'm full of crap. I'll also just add in that the Vike's pace of play (6th) also helps with rate stats like sacks.

And I don't know if this is true or not, but logically I feel like sack rate and knockdown rate is going to be a negative correlated. So I didn't really question that outlier.

 

But a weird pass rush too. Very spread out. So the blitz aspect obviously is relevant.

 

Maybe theres still a theory though, but certainly "pass rush sucks" seems like a tall claim to defend. Probably eaiser to defend something like, "average pass rush masquerading as an elite pass rush, leaving their coverage exposed" would be a more nuanced, but accurate critique?

[UMFan83]

Nagy now has a .500 record as head coach of the Bears (32-32 including playoffs). He is 7-18 in his last 25 games

[WrigleyField 22]

Nagy now has a .500 record as head coach of the Bears (32-32 including playoffs)

Let the man free without having to go down I history with a losing record Bears.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

 

Maybe theres still a theory though, but certainly "pass rush sucks" seems like a tall claim to defend. Probably eaiser to defend something like, "average pass rush masquerading as an elite pass rush, leaving their coverage exposed" would be a more nuanced, but accurate critique?

[BigSlick]

Kirk Cousins had 87 yards passing and his team won lmao

[WrigleyField 22]

Kirk Cousins had 87 yards passing and his team won lmao

Convincingly at that.

 

I really don't think I've ever seen a game like that.

[Old Style]

Haven’t read this thread yet but I have a few thoughts after watching last night’s horsefeathers show.

 

- It was nice to see vintage Hicks last night.

- Thomas Graham was outstanding. No idea why he hasn’t played before now.

- I think Teven Jenkins will be a very good tackle in the future. Love how he stood up for Fields.

- Kmet sucks.

- Riddick sounded like he was campaigning for the GM position all night during the broadcast.

- Mooney is the only WR on this roster.

- Nagy is clearly feeling the heat. He knows his time is coming to an end.

- Roquan got jobbed. He should be a starter in the Pro Bowl.

[David]

[gflore34]

Haven’t read this thread yet but I have a few thoughts after watching last night’s horsefeathers show.

 

- It was nice to see vintage Hicks last night.

- Thomas Graham was outstanding. No idea why he hasn’t played before now.

- I think Teven Jenkins will be a very good tackle in the future. Love how he stood up for Fields.

- Kmet sucks.

- Riddick sounded like he was campaigning for the GM position all night during the broadcast.

- Mooney is the only WR on this roster.

- Nagy is clearly feeling the heat. He knows his time is coming to an end.

- Roquan got jobbed. He should be a starter in the Pro Bowl.

 

Agree on Jenkins, there was a play, think it may been a Fields scramble, where he mauled Barr, knocking him to ground, Barr got up a little gimpy looking around like what the horsefeathers was that? Loved it.

 

I was big on Kmet however, he has really disappointed, too many drops, don't know if he's worth another try with a hopefully, a competent staff, or not.

 

As for Graham, to answer why he's not played and people like Xavier Crawford have played? Look no further Nagy, he's completely and wholly incompetent in every facet of football, incapable of seeing a potentially decent player right under his nose.

Edited December 21, 2021 by gflore34

[WrigleyField 22]

Pace's parting gift is gonna be a franchise QB and two bookend tackles and the stans will never let us hear the end of it.

[David]

[Tryptamine]

Fields did some really bad things like the fumble, the screen pass he held onto, fumbled and recovered and that sack he ran about 10 yards backwards, but overall I think it was a decent game. His receivers dropped a ton of passes and the play calling was absolutely miserable. Nagy completely gave up on 3 drives after a loss on 1st down. It's truly baffling to me that every single time the Bears offense gets on a roll Nagy has to call some ridiculous gimmick play like the wildcat. It's like he's allergic to success. They drive down to the red zone and suddenly the play calling drastically changes. I just don't get it. The defense was frankly fantastic given the situation they were in.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

 

yea, the heroics of the Pittsburgh game werent there, and you can chock it up to garbage time, but Fileds play int eh 4th really wasnt garbage time. They were down 2 scores and had plenty of time to get them. I thought it was one of Fileds best "showing growth" games. He fumbled early, struggled with the pass rush, but once Jenkins settled in, he was picking apart the vikings. I think it goes to show that Fileds needs 1) more playing time and 2) better supporting cast members

[UMFan83]

I haven't listened to this yet but based on the tweet Biggs seems to think Fields wasn't that good yesterday

 

[David]

yeah, i heard that, and while the specific criticisms about the sacks/ball security are valid, thought it was a strange take.

 

did he miss all those drops?

[raw]

Man this game had everything. I truly didn't care about the result of the game, but I was completely pissed at the first half officiating. I mean, Bears are bad, shorthanded, and you still screw them over? Not that they would have won the game, but I hate that anger took over my ambivalence at one point.

 

It also had classic Nagy, Nagying. I'm not a big play call guy, but clearly short yardage and 4th down plays are laughable. Situational game management is deplorable. If the world didn't know how bad he is as a coach, they know now. Fields gets in a rhythm, throw in wildcat. Hurry up offense is moving the ball, let's make them huddle up and throw a dive in here.

 

Fields was bad, then he was good. I feel like the ability to throw the ball downfield with accuracy is one of the most important things a QB can do well to help his team. But he has to fix the little things. Stop taking dumb sacks. And for the love of God, protect the damn ball. Way too many fumbles. But when he throws it, it's a thing of beauty. Just needs some help. Nobody is making any above average plays for him. If the ball isn't perfectly placed, nobody is making a catch (Kmet misses perfectly placed ones as well). Guys seem to be just a couple steps off of where Fields expects them to be. And based on reactions, I think Fields is the one doing his job right.

 

Saw some good things from Jenkins and Graham was amazing. Even guys like Marqui Christian and Teez Tabor stepped up. I'd love to see Desai get another shot at DC with a healthy Mack and a revamped DB room, but probably not happening with a new staff. I don't think he's the next Brandon Staley or anything just yet, but I do think he has some potential as a dC.

[Tim]

One thing I learned: Graham should start the remainder of the year.