Bulls '21-'22 Season Thread

[ChiCubsFan]

I echo what the majority is saying. Nobody is building around Demar, but it’s a good idea to build around some of these young/young-ish players and the mild success Demar will help them achieve over the next year+. If a deal opens up where KD or someone wants to come to Chicago to play with Zach, then of course you deal Demar and assets to make it happen.

 

I think with a few tweaks and some better injury luck, the Bulls are a 50+ win team next year. I’ll take that over praying for ping pong balls for now. And if things get worse and it doesn’t work out, you should be able to get a decent return for Zach, Lonzo, etc.

[squally1313]

I know nothing about how the NBA salary cap/contracts work, but does Demar have any trade value? Basically I don't see him staying this effective for long enough to really contribute to a contending Bulls team, whereas a gamble of Lavine taking another step as the unquestioned number one for a year or two is a little tempting.

[ChiCubsFan]

I know nothing about how the NBA salary cap/contracts work, but does Demar have any trade value? Basically I don't see him staying this effective for long enough to really contribute to a contending Bulls team, whereas a gamble of Lavine taking another step as the unquestioned number one for a year or two is a little tempting.

 

Yeah, he definitely has value. 2/$56M left on his contract is a good deal.

[Cubswin11]

I know nothing about how the NBA salary cap/contracts work, but does Demar have any trade value? Basically I don't see him staying this effective for long enough to really contribute to a contending Bulls team, whereas a gamble of Lavine taking another step as the unquestioned number one for a year or two is a little tempting.

He for sure does. One of the only issues, which isn’t really one but a rule, is that you have to trade contracts for contracts within a certain % based on your cap spot. Like you can’t trade a $30 mil contract for a $5 mil contract. So he’d have to be traded for someone already making good money. And those guys are always out there with some stuff added either way, who that is idk currently. But there certainly will be some new disgruntled star this summer who wants out that Derozan + some picks would net.

[squally1313]

I know nothing about how the NBA salary cap/contracts work, but does Demar have any trade value? Basically I don't see him staying this effective for long enough to really contribute to a contending Bulls team, whereas a gamble of Lavine taking another step as the unquestioned number one for a year or two is a little tempting.

He for sure does. One of the only issues, which isn’t really one but a rule, is that you have to trade contracts for contracts within a certain % based on your cap spot. Like you can’t trade a $30 mil contract for a $5 mil contract. So he’d have to be traded for someone already making good money. And those guys are always out there with some stuff added either way, who that is idk currently. But there certainly will be some new disgruntled star this summer who wants out that Derozan + some picks would net.

I don’t know if I was thinking ‘disgruntled star’ as much as ‘picks from some team who sees demar as their first option and then those picks turn into very valuable assets when demar regresses or gets hurt because he’s old’. But not sure how you do that with those contract rules.

[ChiCubsFan]

I know nothing about how the NBA salary cap/contracts work, but does Demar have any trade value? Basically I don't see him staying this effective for long enough to really contribute to a contending Bulls team, whereas a gamble of Lavine taking another step as the unquestioned number one for a year or two is a little tempting.

He for sure does. One of the only issues, which isn’t really one but a rule, is that you have to trade contracts for contracts within a certain % based on your cap spot. Like you can’t trade a $30 mil contract for a $5 mil contract. So he’d have to be traded for someone already making good money. And those guys are always out there with some stuff added either way, who that is idk currently. But there certainly will be some new disgruntled star this summer who wants out that Derozan + some picks would net.

I don’t know if I was thinking ‘disgruntled star’ as much as ‘picks from some team who sees demar as their first option and then those picks turn into very valuable assets when demar regresses or gets hurt because he’s old’. But not sure how you do that with those contract rules.

 

Teams under the cap by that much can absorb his contract, but I believe OKC is the only team currently under the cap. I’m sure there’s a handful that will be under enough by renouncing the rights to their free agents, but nobody jumps out as someone who could absorb Demar’s contract and actually be willing to give up assets for him.

[Cubswin11]

I know nothing about how the NBA salary cap/contracts work, but does Demar have any trade value? Basically I don't see him staying this effective for long enough to really contribute to a contending Bulls team, whereas a gamble of Lavine taking another step as the unquestioned number one for a year or two is a little tempting.

He for sure does. One of the only issues, which isn’t really one but a rule, is that you have to trade contracts for contracts within a certain % based on your cap spot. Like you can’t trade a $30 mil contract for a $5 mil contract. So he’d have to be traded for someone already making good money. And those guys are always out there with some stuff added either way, who that is idk currently. But there certainly will be some new disgruntled star this summer who wants out that Derozan + some picks would net.

I don’t know if I was thinking ‘disgruntled star’ as much as ‘picks from some team who sees demar as their first option and then those picks turn into very valuable assets when demar regresses or gets hurt because he’s old’. But not sure how you do that with those contract rules.

If that’s the route you’re thinking/wanting, compiling picks in the NBA always seems risky to me, but like you could flip him to Charlotte for Gordon Heyward (expiring contract I believe) and grab a bunch of picks or some similar guy making money who sucks who is expiring (Westbrook, but lakers have no picks to trade for like 5 years). But you get the idea.

[Old Style]

It's official. Both LaVine and Caruso are out tonight.

[raw]

I know nothing about how the NBA salary cap/contracts work, but does Demar have any trade value? Basically I don't see him staying this effective for long enough to really contribute to a contending Bulls team, whereas a gamble of Lavine taking another step as the unquestioned number one for a year or two is a little tempting.

He for sure does. One of the only issues, which isn’t really one but a rule, is that you have to trade contracts for contracts within a certain % based on your cap spot. Like you can’t trade a $30 mil contract for a $5 mil contract. So he’d have to be traded for someone already making good money. And those guys are always out there with some stuff added either way, who that is idk currently. But there certainly will be some new disgruntled star this summer who wants out that Derozan + some picks would net.

 

Dream scenario, IMO, some version of those moves I laid out yesterday. Keep DeRozan for 22-23. When it inevitably doesn't result in a championship, then you have an expiring contract on a player, who's still decent. Then LeBron tries to atone for his mistake of taking Russ over DeRozan and the Bulls trade DeRozan where LeBron decides to play in 23-24 and get whatever for him.

[UMFan83]

 

Back in early March, LaVine was discussing the severity of the discomfort and said, “me at 80%, 70%, whatever it is, I’m still one of the best players in the NBA and damn sure one of the best players on the court when we play.’’

 

According to a source close to the situation, however, LaVine’s knee was “more like 50% and that’s on a good day.’’

 

The source also said the maintenance of the knee the past few months was an all-day ordeal, and that there would have been a good number of All-Star-type players that would have shut it down for the season with all LaVine had to deal with.

 

And while LaVine wouldn’t come out and say for sure he was headed for off-season surgery — likely a scope — the source said he will in fact have surgery almost immediately this offseason. One scenario that had been ruled out, according to the source, was that the knee was degenerative and LaVine would be dealing with this long-term.

 

It definitely makes sense because LaVine was nowhere near the same player he was earlier in the season, but at the same time this seems like something floated from his camp to keep his value high. The truth is probably both.

[Old Style]

 

Back in early March, LaVine was discussing the severity of the discomfort and said, “me at 80%, 70%, whatever it is, I’m still one of the best players in the NBA and damn sure one of the best players on the court when we play.’’

 

According to a source close to the situation, however, LaVine’s knee was “more like 50% and that’s on a good day.’’

 

The source also said the maintenance of the knee the past few months was an all-day ordeal, and that there would have been a good number of All-Star-type players that would have shut it down for the season with all LaVine had to deal with.

 

And while LaVine wouldn’t come out and say for sure he was headed for off-season surgery — likely a scope — the source said he will in fact have surgery almost immediately this offseason. One scenario that had been ruled out, according to the source, was that the knee was degenerative and LaVine would be dealing with this long-term.

 

It definitely makes sense because LaVine was nowhere near the same player he was earlier in the season, but at the same time this seems like something floated from his camp to keep his value high. The truth is probably both.

I think it's been clear to most that he has been close to 100% for a while now. Of course this sounds a lot worse than I thought but I'm not super surprised.

[Outshined_One]

It's official. Both LaVine and Caruso are out tonight.

 

Tonight, the Bulls are going to be like a baby mouse under a sledge hammer.

[ChiCubsFan]

 

Back in early March, LaVine was discussing the severity of the discomfort and said, “me at 80%, 70%, whatever it is, I’m still one of the best players in the NBA and damn sure one of the best players on the court when we play.’’

 

According to a source close to the situation, however, LaVine’s knee was “more like 50% and that’s on a good day.’’

 

The source also said the maintenance of the knee the past few months was an all-day ordeal, and that there would have been a good number of All-Star-type players that would have shut it down for the season with all LaVine had to deal with.

 

And while LaVine wouldn’t come out and say for sure he was headed for off-season surgery — likely a scope — the source said he will in fact have surgery almost immediately this offseason. One scenario that had been ruled out, according to the source, was that the knee was degenerative and LaVine would be dealing with this long-term.

 

It definitely makes sense because LaVine was nowhere near the same player he was earlier in the season, but at the same time this seems like something floated from his camp to keep his value high. The truth is probably both.

 

“Degenerative knee (that he) would be dealing with long term” doesn’t sound like something to float prior to trying to get a max/long term contract.

 

I wish I trusted the Bulls medical staff more to not be majorly concerned about this for the future of the Bulls.

[UMFan83]

 

Back in early March, LaVine was discussing the severity of the discomfort and said, “me at 80%, 70%, whatever it is, I’m still one of the best players in the NBA and damn sure one of the best players on the court when we play.’’

 

According to a source close to the situation, however, LaVine’s knee was “more like 50% and that’s on a good day.’’

 

The source also said the maintenance of the knee the past few months was an all-day ordeal, and that there would have been a good number of All-Star-type players that would have shut it down for the season with all LaVine had to deal with.

 

And while LaVine wouldn’t come out and say for sure he was headed for off-season surgery — likely a scope — the source said he will in fact have surgery almost immediately this offseason. One scenario that had been ruled out, according to the source, was that the knee was degenerative and LaVine would be dealing with this long-term.

 

It definitely makes sense because LaVine was nowhere near the same player he was earlier in the season, but at the same time this seems like something floated from his camp to keep his value high. The truth is probably both.

 

“Degenerative knee (that he) would be dealing with long term” doesn’t sound like something to float prior to trying to get a max/long term contract.

 

I wish I trusted the Bulls medical staff more to not be majorly concerned about this for the future of the Bulls.

 

Are you sure you read that right? They said that its been ruled out that it's degenerative. Or do you mean that even making the association with degenerative knee conditions is not ideal before FA?

[gflore34]

This team can't shoot period. Milwaukee' not really playing any defense to speak of.

[Derwood]

[ChiCubsFan]

 

 

 

It definitely makes sense because LaVine was nowhere near the same player he was earlier in the season, but at the same time this seems like something floated from his camp to keep his value high. The truth is probably both.

 

“Degenerative knee (that he) would be dealing with long term” doesn’t sound like something to float prior to trying to get a max/long term contract.

 

I wish I trusted the Bulls medical staff more to not be majorly concerned about this for the future of the Bulls.

 

Are you sure you read that right? They said that its been ruled out that it's degenerative. Or do you mean that even making the association with degenerative knee conditions is not ideal before FA?

 

Misread as “hadn’t been ruled out”. Long day at work. *facepalm*

[UMFan83]

 

that's a terrible comparison. the 2-0 start and the subsequent falling off a cliff was literally because (playoff) rondo was there for 2 games and then broke his thumb.

 

if anything, the bucks are the ones about to deal with a significant loss in middleton (and maybe portis too).

 

Plus that Bulls team pretty much sucked outside of the 3 alphas. Absolutely no depth. Paul horsefeathering Zipser was getting crunch time minutes in those games.

 

I think its closer to the 09 Celtics series where the Celtics were expected to walk all over the Bulls even though KG was out. But the Bulls had some great individual players and played hard causing it to ultimately be a very closely contested series. Without Middleton we went from 0 chance of winning to some chance. I think 20% sounds about right.

 

i'd probably put it higher

 

what the bulls did in game 2 was not that different from what they did in game 1, except they shot like garbage in game 1 and were still in it.

 

obviously, their defense has to keep disrupting them the way they have. but it's 2 games now that they've done that, and on the road. it's not just a one game fluke.

 

these first two games have been highly competitive and both could've gone either way. the bulls have HCA now. the bucks are likely losing an all star (or, otherwise, he's hobbled). it's higher than 20%.

 

that said, watch them get blown out in the next 3 now entirely and only because i said all this.

 

my guess is they lose in 6 but that is partly just a defense mechanism lol

 

Looks like we were all way off. We were never anywhere near a 20% shot of winning this series imo

[squally1313]

Is missing 37 threes in a game bad

[UMFan83]

Is missing 37 threes in a game bad

 

Not if you take 100

 

Fake edit: oh it appears they only took 52. Yes that’s bad

[ChiCubsFan]

I was entertained most of this season. Hoping for some nice roster tweaks, better health, and off-season growth from PW and Ayo.

[gflore34]

I was entertained most of this season. Hoping for some nice roster tweaks, better health, and off-season growth from PW and Ayo.

 

Plus no more Coby White, he'll have that occasional hot game but, for the most part, he's worthless.

[bjam12]

Really unfortunate Pat missed a majority of the season. I'm not sure what he'll become but two straight 20+ point games in the playoffs is a nice thing to see.

[Old Style]

I was entertained most of this season. Hoping for some nice roster tweaks, better health, and off-season growth from PW and Ayo.

 

Plus no more Coby White, he'll have that occasional hot game but, for the most part, he's worthless.

Can we package him with Vooch to get some new basketballs and a few gallons of Gatorade?

[UMFan83]

Really unfortunate Pat missed a majority of the season. I'm not sure what he'll become but two straight 20+ point games in the playoffs is a nice thing to see.

 

I agree that it was good to see, but he also only had 1 rebound, 0 assists and 4 turnovers in 35 minutes. I'll take the positives where they come though