Week 6: Bears vs. Packers

[Wilson A2000]

How many times does Field have to get sacked trying to scramble to the edge before he realizes that NFL players are faster?

 

I’m not saying not to scramble but he needs to recalibrate his decision making

 

“I thought NFL defensive players would have been faster” says the QB brought down like 10 times this year because Fields thought he was faster than them

[gflore34]

Fields' instincts have to get better. Awareness and lack of an internal clock are his worst enemies.

 

I think he improve on both of those facets, its there, he's not the dumb ass Mitch is, it'll get there, sucks they lost to a pretty ordinary team that just happens to have a great QB. Cannot wait for the day when Rodgers is gone, its coming soon.

[UMFan83]

How many times does Field have to get sacked trying to scramble to the edge before he realizes that NFL players are faster?

 

I’m not saying not to scramble but he needs to recalibrate his decision making

 

“I thought NFL defensive players would have been faster” says the QB brought down like 10 times this year because Fields thought he was faster than them

 

That’s not what he said and what he did say was taken horribly out of context. But I guess people will just keep on misquoting that forever.

 

Also you aren’t allowed to pile onto the post game misery

[Hairyducked Idiot]

This defense has never come up in these situations. It's not their thing.

 

But whatever, Fields showed a flash at least.

[gflore34]

How many times does Field have to get sacked trying to scramble to the edge before he realizes that NFL players are faster?

 

I’m not saying not to scramble but he needs to recalibrate his decision making

 

“I thought NFL defensive players would have been faster” says the QB brought down like 10 times this year because Fields thought he was faster than them

 

That’s not what he said and what he did say was taken horribly out of context. But I guess people will just keep on misquoting that forever.

 

Also you aren’t allowed to pile onto the post game misery

 

What sucks now is we'll hear about how "great" these Packers are after week 1. I'd say they'd lose to TB, LA or ARI 10 out of 10 times, I'm bitter because the game was there for the Bears to win.

[raw]

Under Nagy the Bears have had 16 games started by QBs other than Trubisky. They are 0-9 in those games when the other team scores TWENTY (20) points.

 

Bears offense have had 2 halves of football this year where they've scored multiple TDs. They've had 4 (of 12 halves) where they haven't reached the endzone at all.

 

98 points scored thru 6 games, 16.3 PPG average, which includes a defensive TD. The 15.16 on offense would be less than the historically bad offense of the Jets performed last year.

[Wilson A2000]

How many times does Field have to get sacked trying to scramble to the edge before he realizes that NFL players are faster?

 

I’m not saying not to scramble but he needs to recalibrate his decision making

 

“I thought NFL defensive players would have been faster” says the QB brought down like 10 times this year because Fields thought he was faster than them

 

That’s not what he said and what he did say was taken horribly out of context. But I guess people will just keep on misquoting that forever.

 

Also you aren’t allowed to pile onto the post game misery

 

I don’t jump in the threads just to pile on during losses. Don’t be mad at me. Be mad at an organization that endures mediocrity.

 

Fields is slow to process the NFL game. It will come, but he should talk about the speed of the NFL game once he wins games using his athletic ability.

[UMFan83]

 

“I thought NFL defensive players would have been faster” says the QB brought down like 10 times this year because Fields thought he was faster than them

 

That’s not what he said and what he did say was taken horribly out of context. But I guess people will just keep on misquoting that forever.

 

Also you aren’t allowed to pile onto the post game misery

 

I don’t jump in the threads just to pile on during losses. Don’t be mad at me. Be mad at an organization that endures mediocrity.

 

Fields is slow to process the NFL game. It will come, but he should talk about the speed of the NFL game once he wins games using his athletic ability.

 

Criticizing our organization after your team beat us for the 1000th time in a row is even less appreciated. These threads are not for you guys

 

And again his comment about the speed of the game was comparing the speed of the first preseason opponent to the bears defense he was playing against in practice. He was complimenting our defense and not saying anything cocky about how awesome he is.

[Wilson A2000]

Mully on 670 postgame talking about how much the McCaskeys hate losing to the Packers and how they’ll note this when it comes to bringing back Nagy and Pace. Whatever. They brought them back after last year’s SNF debacle.

[Wilson A2000]

 

That’s not what he said and what he did say was taken horribly out of context. But I guess people will just keep on misquoting that forever.

 

Also you aren’t allowed to pile onto the post game misery

 

I don’t jump in the threads just to pile on during losses. Don’t be mad at me. Be mad at an organization that endures mediocrity.

 

Fields is slow to process the NFL game. It will come, but he should talk about the speed of the NFL game once he wins games using his athletic ability.

 

Criticizing our organization after your team beat us for the 1000th time in a row is even less appreciated. These threads are not for you guys

 

And again his comment about the speed of the game was comparing the speed of the first preseason opponent to the bears defense he was playing against in practice. He was complimenting our defense and not saying anything cocky about how awesome he is.

 

I’m not a Packers fan. Never said I was. I grew up in the Chicago area and live here and have been a Bears fam my entire life. I’m tired of the Bears ownership, not the team.

[UMFan83]

 

I don’t jump in the threads just to pile on during losses. Don’t be mad at me. Be mad at an organization that endures mediocrity.

 

Fields is slow to process the NFL game. It will come, but he should talk about the speed of the NFL game once he wins games using his athletic ability.

 

Criticizing our organization after your team beat us for the 1000th time in a row is even less appreciated. These threads are not for you guys

 

And again his comment about the speed of the game was comparing the speed of the first preseason opponent to the bears defense he was playing against in practice. He was complimenting our defense and not saying anything cocky about how awesome he is.

 

I’m not a Packers fan. Never said I was. I grew up in the Chicago area and live here and have been a Bears fam my entire life. I’m tired of the Bears ownership, not the team.

 

Whoops. My apologies I thought you were a Packers fan for some reason. Take all that back except the explanation of the Fields quote. Drives me nuts how often this gets misconstrued as some boasting by Fields

[Wilson A2000]

 

Criticizing our organization after your team beat us for the 1000th time in a row is even less appreciated. These threads are not for you guys

 

And again his comment about the speed of the game was comparing the speed of the first preseason opponent to the bears defense he was playing against in practice. He was complimenting our defense and not saying anything cocky about how awesome he is.

 

I’m not a Packers fan. Never said I was. I grew up in the Chicago area and live here and have been a Bears fam my entire life. I’m tired of the Bears ownership, not the team.

 

Whoops. My apologies I thought you were a Packers fan for some reason. Take all that back except the explanation of the Fields quote. Drives me nuts how often this gets misconstrued as some boasting by Fields

 

Preseason or not, Bears first team D or not, it’s not a good look to say the NFL game looks slow or slowed down before you take a regular season snap. I’m hopeful for Fields, but his main issue right now is that the physical and mental aspects of the game are too much for him until he gets experience and adapts. And he will.

[Soul]

I saw more than one play where Fields may have looked like he didn’t process fast, but the broadcast pulled back and showed there were no options at all. In those cases he processed just fine, he just saw that he was fucked so he tried to make something out of nothing.

 

On the second TD, he looked left and saw the coverage, looked back right and found the TD. He processed just fine there.

 

I’m not saying he can or can’t process fast. My point is after three starts it’s too early to say Fields can’t process fast. It’s way too early to come to a conclusion about that.

[UMFan83]

I saw more than one play where Fields may have looked like he didn’t process fast, but the broadcast pulled back and showed there were no options at all. In those cases he processed just fine, he just saw that he was horsefeathers so he tried to make something out of nothing.

 

On the second TD, he looked left and saw the coverage, looked back right and found the TD. He processed just fine there.

 

I’m not saying he can or can’t process fast. My point is after three starts it’s too early to say Fields can’t process fast. It’s way too early to come to a conclusion about that.

 

Sure there are some plays and schemes he’s more comfortable with and it’s not like it’s all been bad at all. But twice today he took his team out of FG range by taking a sack on 3rd down. That can’t happen, it needs to be thrown away but he waited too long and/or tried to make a rush that wasn’t there. On one of them he tried to run to the edge like he probably successfully did 100 times in college but the defense was just too fast for him. I don’t know if that’s processing or lack of situational awareness but it’s a problem he needs to fix.

 

But at the same time I think there is a lot of adjustment for him right now and he will only figure it out by playing more

[Soul]

I saw more than one play where Fields may have looked like he didn’t process fast, but the broadcast pulled back and showed there were no options at all. In those cases he processed just fine, he just saw that he was horsefeathers so he tried to make something out of nothing.

 

On the second TD, he looked left and saw the coverage, looked back right and found the TD. He processed just fine there.

 

I’m not saying he can or can’t process fast. My point is after three starts it’s too early to say Fields can’t process fast. It’s way too early to come to a conclusion about that.

 

Sure there are some plays and schemes he’s more comfortable with and it’s not like it’s all been bad at all. But twice today he took his team out of FG range by taking a sack on 3rd down. That can’t happen, it needs to be thrown away but he waited too long and/or tried to make a rush that wasn’t there. On one of them he tried to run to the edge like he probably successfully did 100 times in college but the defense was just too fast for him. I don’t know if that’s processing or lack of situational awareness but it’s a problem he needs to fix.

 

But at the same time I think there is a lot of adjustment for him right now and he will only figure it out by playing more

There’s just a lot more happening out there than Fields. For example, it’s a patchwork line that provides a clean pocket infrequently compared to other teams. It’s not an exceptional receiving corps. Surprisingly effective running game though.

 

I don’t think we really disagree here. Let’s see what we’re looking at after a few more games. It’s a tough stretch. There’s a good opportunity to see if he grows up a little against solid competition.

[raw]

I saw more than one play where Fields may have looked like he didn’t process fast, but the broadcast pulled back and showed there were no options at all. In those cases he processed just fine, he just saw that he was horsefeathers so he tried to make something out of nothing.

 

On the second TD, he looked left and saw the coverage, looked back right and found the TD. He processed just fine there.

 

I’m not saying he can or can’t process fast. My point is after three starts it’s too early to say Fields can’t process fast. It’s way too early to come to a conclusion about that.

 

Sure there are some plays and schemes he’s more comfortable with and it’s not like it’s all been bad at all. But twice today he took his team out of FG range by taking a sack on 3rd down. That can’t happen, it needs to be thrown away but he waited too long and/or tried to make a rush that wasn’t there. On one of them he tried to run to the edge like he probably successfully did 100 times in college but the defense was just too fast for him. I don’t know if that’s processing or lack of situational awareness but it’s a problem he needs to fix.

 

But at the same time I think there is a lot of adjustment for him right now and he will only figure it out by playing more

 

I think it's more that NFL defenses are better coached, moreso than a speed thing. NFL defensive ends know, if they aren't getting home they need to watch for him to break the pocket to the outside. The NFL guys stay in their rush lanes more. When he breaks the pocket to the edge, he has to just go. He can't be moving laterally and still looking for the throw. He just takes off, there's nobody catching him. Flee the pocket with the intent to run, he can always pull up and throw the pass, he's athletic enough to do that.

[Tim]

I saw more than one play where Fields may have looked like he didn’t process fast, but the broadcast pulled back and showed there were no options at all. In those cases he processed just fine, he just saw that he was horsefeathers so he tried to make something out of nothing.

 

On the second TD, he looked left and saw the coverage, looked back right and found the TD. He processed just fine there.

 

I’m not saying he can or can’t process fast. My point is after three starts it’s too early to say Fields can’t process fast. It’s way too early to come to a conclusion about that.

 

Sure there are some plays and schemes he’s more comfortable with and it’s not like it’s all been bad at all. But twice today he took his team out of FG range by taking a sack on 3rd down. That can’t happen, it needs to be thrown away but he waited too long and/or tried to make a rush that wasn’t there. On one of them he tried to run to the edge like he probably successfully did 100 times in college but the defense was just too fast for him. I don’t know if that’s processing or lack of situational awareness but it’s a problem he needs to fix.

 

But at the same time I think there is a lot of adjustment for him right now and he will only figure it out by playing more

Or, he saw that the end was being double teamed and assumed the linemen would at least slow the guy down a tiny smidge.

 

Nope.

[BigSlick]

It’s weird, contrary to 99% of rookie quarterbacks who have good legs, my biggest issue is that he actually needs to just take off more often. He’s really trying to get a pass in, and there are times where it costs him.

 

Either way he needs to make the decision sooner. There are times when he decides to run, but it’s far too late and they got him already.

 

Still, I thought today was good on the whole for Fields. He came out strong, struggled in the middle, and could have ended the game looking really bad, but he bounced back and had that nice touchdown drive. You wish he could have closed the game out, but it was encouraging to see him bounce back like that. It’s too bad the next few games are so brutal.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

 

“I thought NFL defensive players would have been faster” says the QB brought down like 10 times this year because Fields thought he was faster than them

 

That’s not what he said and what he did say was taken horribly out of context. But I guess people will just keep on misquoting that forever.

 

Also you aren’t allowed to pile onto the post game misery

 

What sucks now is we'll hear about how "great" these Packers are after week 1. I'd say they'd lose to TB, LA or ARI 10 out of 10 times, I'm bitter because the game was there for the Bears to win.

10/10 is hyperbole but the sentiment is accurate.

[raw]

Interesting stats.

 

On the 2 scoring drives, Fields was a combined 8-8 for 110 yards, a 26-yard DPI penalty and a TD

On all other drives, Fields was 8-19, 64 yards and an INT

 

That missed neutral zone infraction on the INT really sucked, man. Called correctly, that makes it 3rd and 2 from the Packers 42. Probably 4 down territory and a conversion likely means at least 3 points, and a double digit lead.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I don't know how many Bears/Packers games I've seen where one or two plays flips it in our favor, but we still lose. It's usually JUST before or during a good run. That's great, but I just want to beat the horsefeathers out of GB just a few times.

 

Hopefully, Fields and the pass rush is better later in December.

[UMFan83]

I have no idea if the board will find this interesting. I spent some time compiling every current starting QB's numbers after 5 career starts (missing a couple who haven't had 5 starts). One caveat is - I know Fields has only had 4 starts but he played a majority of the Bengals game and 5 sounds cooler than 4, but you can take Fields' counting stats with a grain of salt if you'd like. They are still a bit low relative to almost every other QB.

 

This does not include rushing which is obviously relevant and I'm sure there are better metrics to compare QBs but I went with the basics. Every QB situation is different, and by no means am I making any proclamations about Fields or other QBs by this comparison, I'm just a dork who likes numbers.

 

 

Couple of interesting takeaways:

 

-2021 QB class has looked dreadful compared to their older peers

-Interesting to see names like Josh Allen and Matthew Stafford and Russell Wilson toward the bottom as those are comps you are hoping Fields falls into

-Also interesting to see the spread between best and worst. Mahomes obviously sat out the first 15 games of his career and came out dominating, but guys like Herbert and Dak were pretty much starting right away and were sharp from day 1

[raw]

That is interesting. I was just thinking today that this rookie class was probably considered the best and most ready class, maybe outside of 1983. But they've all been pretty bad, except for Mac Jones who's been young Andy Dalton. Of course, the 3 who have started multiple games and been below average are running 3 of the 5 worst offenses from last year and probably the 3 least talented offenses in the NFL today.

 

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[raw]

Under Nagy the Bears have had 16 games started by QBs other than Trubisky. They are 0-9 in those games when the other team scores TWENTY (20) points.

 

For perspective, teams are 93-364 since the start of the 2019 season when scoring fewer than 20 points. A 0.204 win percentage. The Bears have scored less than 20 points on 22 different times (in 38 games!) and are actually 8-14 in those games for a 0.364 win percentage. Expected W/L in these games would be 4-18.

 

Since the same point, teams are 465-180 (0.721) when they allow 24 or fewer points. The Bears are just 16-12 (.571) when this happens. And 28 of 38 games have had points allowed within this threshold! Expected W/L in these games would be 20-8.

 

So, the Bears have what amounts to an 11-12 win defense (70% of the time), while fielding a 3-4 win offense (60% of the time) over the last 2 1/3 seasons. The results? A perfect split of the difference at 19-19.

[Old Style]

I know we got the benefit of some bad calls and I hate being the guy that blames officials but we got royally fucked on some very big plays yesterday. It infuriates me to no end that it always seems to happen against the GD Packers especially on our own damn field. That should not happen. And horsefeathers that POS Rodgers with his "I own you" horsefeathers at the end. If I ever run across him or Steve Garvey I'm going to sucker punch them as hard as I horsefeathering can without warning. I'll take a trip to jail for that satisfaction.