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I'm so disappointed in his hesitance to getting the vaccine, and now I'm worried, because of his history, that he might be in serious danger. While he was dumb for not getting it, he wasn't in everyone's face about it, and still encouraged others to get it, unlike guys like Heyward and Arrieta and Sogard who are straight up antagonists about it.

 

I don't want anything bad to happen to Rizzo, no one does, but if he suffers serious consequences, he'll have no one to blame except himself.

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Someone on Twitter pointed out how good the Cubs protocols must be. Not that they've done a ton right but we've had no outbreaks yet and Rizzo goes to the Yankees and gets COVID-19 immediately. Maybe that says more about the Yankees, idk.
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Someone on Twitter pointed out how good the Cubs protocols must be. Not that they've done a ton right but we've had no outbreaks yet and Rizzo goes to the Yankees and gets COVID-19 immediately. Maybe that says more about the Yankees, idk.

yeah, I don't buy that. Protocols mattered last year. Now everybody is pretty much free to suck the breath out of anybody. I don't think it's protocols making that difference now. There basically aren't any.

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Are we sure that something in Rizzo's cancer past didn't result in his doctor recommending against the vaccine?

 

Generally the main sticking point with people who have had or are undergoing cancer treatments is what immunosuppressant treatments they might be on, and even then most doctors are advising patients to get vaccinated, even if they are ACTIVELY being treated for cancer.

 

“I actually decided not to get the vaccine,” Rizzo told MSN. “There’s just a lot that went into it, talking to all the doctors, and it was a really hard decision on all ends. But it’s just one of those things where we just continue to be safe and continue to go on and live life.”

 

Reading WAY into it, but that really sounds like, "hey, you should get this vaccine"...."naaaaaaaaaah, pass!" Dude pretty obviously opted not to on his own.

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Are we sure that something in Rizzo's cancer past didn't result in his doctor recommending against the vaccine?

 

Generally the main sticking point with people who have had or are undergoing cancer treatments is what immunosuppressant treatments they might be on, and even then most doctors are advising patients to get vaccinated, even if they are ACTIVELY being treated for cancer.

 

“I actually decided not to get the vaccine,” Rizzo told MSN. “There’s just a lot that went into it, talking to all the doctors, and it was a really hard decision on all ends. But it’s just one of those things where we just continue to be safe and continue to go on and live life.”

 

Reading WAY into it, but that really sounds like, "hey, you should get this vaccine"...."naaaaaaaaaah, pass!" Dude pretty obviously opted not to on his own.

 

That answers my question, thank you. Sucks to suck, tinyface.

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Someone on Twitter pointed out how good the Cubs protocols must be. Not that they've done a ton right but we've had no outbreaks yet and Rizzo goes to the Yankees and gets COVID-19 immediately. Maybe that says more about the Yankees, idk.

 

I feel like the Cubs were just extremely lucky last year that they didn't have an outbreak, and this year they've been mostly unscathed because they are one of the few teams that have to live with the under 85% protocols. For an organization that can hardly do anything right the last few years, I doubt they somehow devised the optimal strategy for preventing COVID outbreaks.

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I generally cut Rizzo a little more slack on the subject because he has reason to be hesitant about any medical procedure and how it can impact him. That said, given what I know, I don't agree with his choice. And I could have respected his decision more if he had come out and said that people without the complicating factors should absolutely get the vaccine.

 

I hope he gets through it okay, but he is seeing the consequences of his choice.

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Someone on Twitter pointed out how good the Cubs protocols must be. Not that they've done a ton right but we've had no outbreaks yet and Rizzo goes to the Yankees and gets COVID-19 immediately. Maybe that says more about the Yankees, idk.

 

I feel like the Cubs were just extremely lucky last year that they didn't have an outbreak, and this year they've been mostly unscathed because they are one of the few teams that have to live with the under 85% protocols. For an organization that can hardly do anything right the last few years, I doubt they somehow devised the optimal strategy for preventing COVID outbreaks.

 

There was some stuff last year (I think in the Athletic?) about how they actually were really great about things. Doing things like choosing hotels with outdoor areas they could take over, etc. Part of it was also that the team leaders like Rizzo, Heyward, etc. were part of enforcement in the early part of the year when less of the protocols we're mandatory. So while they have been doofuses a out the shot they were a big part of last year's efforts.

 

And the team did have a small outbreak early this year. It's just that it nabbed guys in the bullpen we don't care about like Brandon Workman and Dan Winkler.

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Someone on Twitter pointed out how good the Cubs protocols must be. Not that they've done a ton right but we've had no outbreaks yet and Rizzo goes to the Yankees and gets COVID-19 immediately. Maybe that says more about the Yankees, idk.

 

I feel like the Cubs were just extremely lucky last year that they didn't have an outbreak, and this year they've been mostly unscathed because they are one of the few teams that have to live with the under 85% protocols. For an organization that can hardly do anything right the last few years, I doubt they somehow devised the optimal strategy for preventing COVID outbreaks.

 

There was some stuff last year (I think in the Athletic?) about how they actually were really great about things. Doing things like choosing hotels with outdoor areas they could take over, etc. Part of it was also that the team leaders like Rizzo, Heyward, etc. were part of enforcement in the early part of the year when less of the protocols we're mandatory. So while they have been doofuses a out the shot they were a big part of last year's efforts.

 

And the team did have a small outbreak early this year. It's just that it nabbed guys in the bullpen we don't care about like Brandon Workman and Dan Winkler.

 

Honestly, that's the only way where I can squint and Rizzo doesn't look like a complete doof. He was probably all in on the behavioral protocols to keep people healthy, and it sounds like he was a big leader along those lines. Guy likely would have preferred to keep doing that, figuring it would be enough, but he was wrong.

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I feel like the Cubs were just extremely lucky last year that they didn't have an outbreak, and this year they've been mostly unscathed because they are one of the few teams that have to live with the under 85% protocols. For an organization that can hardly do anything right the last few years, I doubt they somehow devised the optimal strategy for preventing COVID outbreaks.

 

There was some stuff last year (I think in the Athletic?) about how they actually were really great about things. Doing things like choosing hotels with outdoor areas they could take over, etc. Part of it was also that the team leaders like Rizzo, Heyward, etc. were part of enforcement in the early part of the year when less of the protocols we're mandatory. So while they have been doofuses a out the shot they were a big part of last year's efforts.

 

And the team did have a small outbreak early this year. It's just that it nabbed guys in the bullpen we don't care about like Brandon Workman and Dan Winkler.

 

Honestly, that's the only way where I can squint and Rizzo doesn't look like a complete doof. He was probably all in on the behavioral protocols to keep people healthy, and it sounds like he was a big leader along those lines. Guy likely would have preferred to keep doing that, figuring it would be enough, but he was wrong.

 

 

that would be the most backwards way to approach this: ie behavioral change ad nasuem in lieu of a shot. why change your life and everyday activities instead of just getting two pin pricks? In a way, that imagined approach makes Rizzo out to be at least as stupid as being anti-VAX

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There was some stuff last year (I think in the Athletic?) about how they actually were really great about things. Doing things like choosing hotels with outdoor areas they could take over, etc. Part of it was also that the team leaders like Rizzo, Heyward, etc. were part of enforcement in the early part of the year when less of the protocols we're mandatory. So while they have been doofuses a out the shot they were a big part of last year's efforts.

 

And the team did have a small outbreak early this year. It's just that it nabbed guys in the bullpen we don't care about like Brandon Workman and Dan Winkler.

 

Honestly, that's the only way where I can squint and Rizzo doesn't look like a complete doof. He was probably all in on the behavioral protocols to keep people healthy, and it sounds like he was a big leader along those lines. Guy likely would have preferred to keep doing that, figuring it would be enough, but he was wrong.

 

 

that would be the most backwards way to approach this: ie behavioral change ad nasuem in lieu of a shot. why change your life and everyday activities instead of just getting two pin pricks? In a way, that imagined approach makes Rizzo out to be at least as stupid as being anti-VAX

 

The bold is a complete fallacy.

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Honestly, that's the only way where I can squint and Rizzo doesn't look like a complete doof. He was probably all in on the behavioral protocols to keep people healthy, and it sounds like he was a big leader along those lines. Guy likely would have preferred to keep doing that, figuring it would be enough, but he was wrong.

 

 

that would be the most backwards way to approach this: ie behavioral change ad nasuem in lieu of a shot. why change your life and everyday activities instead of just getting two pin pricks? In a way, that imagined approach makes Rizzo out to be at least as stupid as being anti-VAX

 

The bold is a complete fallacy.

 

 

when the vaccines were coming online, I dont think it was unusual to look at them as the tool that would help to bring normalcy back to the world. In fact, they were advertised as being that

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that would be the most backwards way to approach this: ie behavioral change ad nasuem in lieu of a shot. why change your life and everyday activities instead of just getting two pin pricks? In a way, that imagined approach makes Rizzo out to be at least as stupid as being anti-VAX

 

The bold is a complete fallacy.

 

 

when the vaccines were coming online, I dont think it was unusual to look at them as the tool that would help to bring normalcy back to the world. In fact, they were advertised as being that

 

Of course they are, but it's not an either/or, flipping the switch proposition.

 

Again, I'm fed up with people who can get the vaccines not getting it, but I'm saying I get why someone like Rizzo might have made the bad choice he did. He wasn't some jackoff just acting like everything would be fine and he could just live his life like normal; from all reports he was all in on the protocols designed to ideally keep people from getting sick, and he likely foolishly thought would still be enough to justify his decision to not get jabbed ASAP, especially since getting the vaccine doesn't and shouldn't mean you should just stop doing at least some variation of what the COVID protocols require.

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