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It's genuinely terrifying how many of these guys see being a horsefeathering horrible human being = being a straight white male.

 

yeah they see a violent straight white sex pest and immediately personalize his actions. but then 15 seconds later will be like "its not safe to be a white male!" Well no horsefeathers buddy!

 

Imagine reading a news story about a murderer and then thinking, "cripes, it's like a guy can't even be a murderer these days!!!" Extreme example, but like you said, who the horsefeathers reads about what Bauer was accused of and what he admitted to and then worries that they might be next? Apparently waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more horsefeathering people than I want to even think about.

 

What lies behind the persona people show out of their home is really really scary. The only difference is that now, due to a certain orange former president, people have stopped putting on their public persona and instead celebrate being the horsefeathers human being they really are while saying it's their right to do so without any societal repercussions.

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but do they really think they're right? that's what i always wonder. like, do most bad people know they're bad?

 

Everyone is the hero in their own story.

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but do they really think they're right? that's what i always wonder. like, do most bad people know they're bad?

 

I think they do, but they're far more afraid of getting caught for those things than they are anything else. And now that it seems like a certain segment of the population is actually being held responsible for those things because they don't have as much power over others as they have for years, it's suddenly a persecution problem instead of an even playing field problem, as with most other things in this country. Those people are the reason religion was invented and was so instrumental in keeping people in line for thousands of years.

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It's genuinely terrifying how many of these guys see being a horsefeathering horrible human being = being a straight white male.

 

yeah they see a violent straight white sex pest and immediately personalize his actions. but then 15 seconds later will be like "its not safe to be a white male!" Well no horsefeathers buddy!

 

Imagine reading a news story about a murderer and then thinking, "cripes, it's like a guy can't even be a murderer these days!!!" Extreme example, but like you said, who the horsefeathers reads about what Bauer was accused of and what he admitted to and then worries that they might be next? Apparently waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more horsefeathering people than I want to even think about.

 

you say "extreme example" buuuut .... kyle rittenhouse. that has already happened!

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but do they really think they're right? that's what i always wonder. like, do most bad people know they're bad?

 

Everyone is the hero in their own story.

 

I think this holds true for most people, but some people certainly know they're evil and what they're doing is evil. Putin knows he's an horsefeathers, the "bad guy" and he simply doesn't care. Same thing with Trump.

 

Also, petition to change the thread title because I've always hated Bauer and thought he was an horsefeathers (even before I discovered he was a Trump supporter). He's not continuing to get worse; he's always been a terrible human being. Shame on anyone here that wanted to sign him as a FA.

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but do they really think they're right? that's what i always wonder. like, do most bad people know they're bad?

 

Everyone is the hero in their own story.

 

I think this holds true for most people, but some people certainly know they're evil and what they're doing is evil. Putin knows he's an horsefeathers, the "bad guy" and he simply doesn't care. Same thing with Trump.

 

Depends on how deep they are into the conspiracy horsefeathers. Tons of those folks legitimately believe (or are convincing themselves) that Trump or Putin are actually saving kidnapped children from Satanic cabals, or purging the globalist Deep State, or destroying the bio-labs that created COVID, etc., etc..

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Everyone is the hero in their own story.

 

I think this holds true for most people, but some people certainly know they're evil and what they're doing is evil. Putin knows he's an horsefeathers, the "bad guy" and he simply doesn't care. Same thing with Trump.

 

Depends on how deep they are into the conspiracy horsefeathers. Tons of those folks legitimately believe (or are convincing themselves) that Trump or Putin are actually saving kidnapped children from Satanic cabals, or purging the globalist Deep State, or destroying the bio-labs that created COVID, etc., etc..

 

I agree about those people that are into the deep waters of conspiracy horsefeathers... Hard to parse whether they truly believe this horsefeathers, or are just going along because it aligns with their political beliefs and makes them feel good in some perverse way. I guess it's hard to call those people evil if they genuinely believe this horsefeathers.

 

But all the people who generated those conspiracies and that [expletive] and spread that misinformation? They are a special breed of evil and know exactly how dangerous their activity is. All these COVID conspiracies and misinformation has cost lives and destroyed families, and even affects something relatively trivial by comparison like professional sports.

 

Anyway, back to my original point about certain people recognizing that they're evil and not the heroes of their own stories... I immediately thought of this scene in Breaking Bad between Walt and Jesse in S5:

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but do they really think they're right? that's what i always wonder. like, do most bad people know they're bad?

 

Everyone is the hero in their own story.

 

I think this holds true for most people, but some people certainly know they're evil and what they're doing is evil. Putin knows he's an horsefeathers, the "bad guy" and he simply doesn't care. Same thing with Trump.

 

Nah, these dudes are narcissists. They know that they’re doing wrong, but in their mind, it’s for the greater good and one day they’ll get the praise they deserve.

 

Bauer’s just a creep, along the lines of Armie Hammer, who thinks that since there’s no law against sexual deviance, so long as it’s consensual-ish, he must be in the right.

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Everyone is the hero in their own story.

 

I think this holds true for most people, but some people certainly know they're evil and what they're doing is evil. Putin knows he's an horsefeathers, the "bad guy" and he simply doesn't care. Same thing with Trump.

 

Nah, these dudes are narcissists. They know that they’re doing wrong, but in their mind, it’s for the greater good and one day they’ll get the praise they deserve.

 

Bauer’s just a creep, along the lines of Armie Hammer, who thinks that since there’s no law against sexual deviance, so long as it’s consensual-ish, he must be in the right.

 

yes. every guy knows someone like bauer, whether from high school or college, or a mid-20s professional job. someone who thinks women are disposable, you just treat them however and they either like it or you move on to the next one

 

the difference here is that bauer is a mega rich professional athlete, so his narcissism is more entrenched and dangerous

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Everyone is the hero in their own story.

 

I think this holds true for most people, but some people certainly know they're evil and what they're doing is evil. Putin knows he's an horsefeathers, the "bad guy" and he simply doesn't care. Same thing with Trump.

 

Nah, these dudes are narcissists. They know that they’re doing wrong, but in their mind, it’s for the greater good and one day they’ll get the praise they deserve.

 

Bauer’s just a creep, along the lines of Armie Hammer, who thinks that since there’s no law against sexual deviance, so long as it’s consensual-ish, he must be in the right.

It’s the Nietzchean ubermench. It’s the inevitable modernist/rationalist resolution of the relativist morality we experienced in the late 20th century. If right and wrong is in the eye of the beholder then I am good to impose my will in society. It’s the clash of modernist and postmodern ideas desperately seeking resolution.

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I'm making up this theory in the moment, but I think if you picture 'being a good person' as like, a box to check, and then understand that everyone has different requirements to feel comfortable checking that box...and then you think about people in the decimals of the 1%, like a Bauer or a Armie Hammer or a Trump, who can spend 20 seconds and cut a check to charity that eclipses most/all our yearly incomes, and realize that they can say, somewhat credibly, if you isolate enough, that they've helped more people than 99% of the population....I don't really know how to grammatically end this monstrosity of a sentence, but hopefully you get my point. How can they be bad people, they donated $150k to their local food bank, what have you have done for the less fortunate?
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I'm making up this theory in the moment, but I think if you picture 'being a good person' as like, a box to check, and then understand that everyone has different requirements to feel comfortable checking that box...and then you think about people in the decimals of the 1%, like a Bauer or a Armie Hammer or a Trump, who can spend 20 seconds and cut a check to charity that eclipses most/all our yearly incomes, and realize that they can say, somewhat credibly, if you isolate enough, that they've helped more people than 99% of the population....I don't really know how to grammatically end this monstrosity of a sentence, but hopefully you get my point. How can they be bad people, they donated $150k to their local food bank, what have you have done for the less fortunate?

 

that's definitely real, it's called moral equivalency

 

how can i be a bad person? i attended tolerance rallies as a child

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I'm making up this theory in the moment, but I think if you picture 'being a good person' as like, a box to check, and then understand that everyone has different requirements to feel comfortable checking that box...and then you think about people in the decimals of the 1%, like a Bauer or a Armie Hammer or a Trump, who can spend 20 seconds and cut a check to charity that eclipses most/all our yearly incomes, and realize that they can say, somewhat credibly, if you isolate enough, that they've helped more people than 99% of the population....I don't really know how to grammatically end this monstrosity of a sentence, but hopefully you get my point. How can they be bad people, they donated $150k to their local food bank, what have you have done for the less fortunate?

 

that's definitely real, it's called moral equivalency

 

how can i be a bad person? i attended tolerance rallies as a child

 

How can I be a bad person? I’m pro life.

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There is a little silique in BCS that Mike has in the early seasons. It kind of sums it up for me.

 

"I've known good criminals and bad cops. Bad priests, honorable thieves... You can be on one side of the law or the other. But if you make a deal with somebody, you keep your word. You can go home today with your money and never do this again. But you took something that wasn't yours. And you sold it for a profit. You're now a criminal. Good one, bad one? That's up to you."

 

Whatever someone does we can label it bad or good, but whatever they do after doesn't make up for the bad thing they did originally. It's something you have to live with. We can choose a different path, but we cannot undo what has happened. Everybody makes mistakes, good people don't make the same mistakes over and over again.

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I'm making up this theory in the moment, but I think if you picture 'being a good person' as like, a box to check, and then understand that everyone has different requirements to feel comfortable checking that box...and then you think about people in the decimals of the 1%, like a Bauer or a Armie Hammer or a Trump, who can spend 20 seconds and cut a check to charity that eclipses most/all our yearly incomes, and realize that they can say, somewhat credibly, if you isolate enough, that they've helped more people than 99% of the population....I don't really know how to grammatically end this monstrosity of a sentence, but hopefully you get my point. How can they be bad people, they donated $150k to their local food bank, what have you have done for the less fortunate?

 

You lost me at Trump cutting a check for charity instead of stealing from it.

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My money is on the Cardinals. The BFIB will love it.

That would easily cement their place as the Division Villains, for sure.

That concrete set a looong time ago.

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I saw this thread bumped and though 'which POS franchise signed him?'. I'm hoping he gets Addison Russell'd and end up in Mexico but he's probably too good of a player for some POS team to not take a risk by signing him.

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