2021 Bears season

[Bertz]

Lol at dumping off the ball on 3rd and 17 backed up against your end zone in a game with no impact on the standings

[Derwood]

Well, they look terrible in all three facets. Good times

[Tryptamine]

Yup, this defense is really impressive

[gflore34]

Lol at dumping off the ball on 3rd and 17 backed up against your end zone in a game with no impact on the standings

 

Yeah, Nagy' ball-less-ness is getting real tiresome, his offense has been hot garbage. I know its only pre-season but, he's shown nothing hopeful even with a decently average QB.

[Derwood]

hilariously incompetent

[UMFan83]

hilariously incompetent

 

Hilarious how hard the announcers have tried to talk Dalton up

[WrigleyField 22]

I only caught a little. But Mitch is a known bum slayer. So is the D a bunch of bums?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I love me a good doom boner train about these Bears, but nothing that happens in pre-season matters outside of not getting hurt.

[UMFan83]

I only caught a little. But Mitch is a known bum slayer. So is the D a bunch of bums?

 

Not sure. I didn’t see anything particularly impressive from Mitch that makes me think that Nagy and the Bears were the only thing holding him back from dominance. He still had questionable throws. The defense gave him easy throws and he took them. But the media is already blowing this up but whatever.

[WrigleyField 22]

I only caught a little. But Mitch is a known bum slayer. So is the D a bunch of bums?

 

Not sure. I didn’t see anything particularly impressive from Mitch that makes me think that Nagy and the Bears were the only thing holding him back from dominance. He still had questionable throws. The defense gave him easy throws and he took them. But the media is already blowing this up but whatever.

Yea I'm not in any way worried Mitch is secretly good. And it's preseason so I'm not too worried either way. But if you told me it would turn out the D is ready to turn into bums I wouldn't be surprised either.

[UMFan83]

There’s also this:

 

 

Though it probably says more about how useless QB rating is than anything

[UMFan83]

The Bears return coverage has been unbelievably terrible this preseason so far. Almost every kick ends up with a good return for the opponent

 

[Old Style]

Mitch looked better to my eyes today than he did last year but he’s still not a great QB and probably never will be. A career backup is his likely fate.

[UMFan83]

 

[raw]

Only the Bears can make a meaningless game, even more meaningless by learning absolutely nothing about their team. Dalton didn't do anything to show he upgraded the 28th best QB situation in 2020 to any higher than 28th. But Fields didn't do anything to make Nagy re-consider his dumb ass idea that Dalton is the clear #1 with no competition.

 

OL was bad with 3 backups on the 1st team, but Sam Mustipher also sucked today. Nagy talked about getting starters more reps this preseason so they wouldn't get off to the slow starts of past years, yet the Bears haven't played WR1, WR2, TE1, TE2, WR3, WR4, RB1, or 3/5 of their starting OL (due to injuries on the line, which I know) for more than 5 total snaps between them.

 

Justin Fields isn't 100% ready to take the reins and never look back, but Dalton isn't capable of winning games. Fields at least can do some damage with his legs, which also makes the defense commit another player to him and not the passing game. But you aren't doing your offense any favors by not letting Fields throw to the #1 offensive weapons. And if you're hellbent on Dalton starting, then you aren't even doing him any favors because he's not playing with them either.

 

Just frustrating to see the same old terrible offense, vanilla gameplan or not.

[UMFan83]

Only the Bears can make a meaningless game, even more meaningless by learning absolutely nothing about their team. Dalton didn't do anything to show he upgraded the 28th best QB situation in 2020 to any higher than 28th. But Fields didn't do anything to make Nagy re-consider his dumb ass idea that Dalton is the clear #1 with no competition.

 

OL was bad with 3 backups on the 1st team, but Sam Mustipher also sucked today. Nagy talked about getting starters more reps this preseason so they wouldn't get off to the slow starts of past years, yet the Bears haven't played WR1, WR2, TE1, TE2, WR3, WR4, RB1, or 3/5 of their starting OL (due to injuries on the line, which I know) for more than 5 total snaps between them.

 

Justin Fields isn't 100% ready to take the reins and never look back, but Dalton isn't capable of winning games. Fields at least can do some damage with his legs, which also makes the defense commit another player to him and not the passing game. But you aren't doing your offense any favors by not letting Fields throw to the #1 offensive weapons. And if you're hellbent on Dalton starting, then you aren't even doing him any favors because he's not playing with them either.

 

Just frustrating to see the same old terrible offense, vanilla gameplan or not.

 

A lot of good points here. I am willing to be proven wrong but I just can't see a way that Nagy leads the Bears to a competent offense. Even if Fields eventually gets in there and plays well, I think his playcalling and game planning will always hold the offense back from being good, unless seeing him play well finally gives him the confidence to stop being a conservative turd.

 

I think he's just not the guy, though if he was willing to hand the playcalling reigns over to someone more competent he could be the coach that oversees everything and fosters a good locker room which he seems to do well. That's the only way Nagy works as a head coach IMO, but he seems to have too big of an ego to permanently allow someone else to call plays. You saw how reluctant he was to do it last year, and when the offense had a couple decent games in a row he quickly took control back and the offense faltered again (though admittedly it may be because they played the Packers and Saints)

[gflore34]

Only the Bears can make a meaningless game, even more meaningless by learning absolutely nothing about their team. Dalton didn't do anything to show he upgraded the 28th best QB situation in 2020 to any higher than 28th. But Fields didn't do anything to make Nagy re-consider his dumb ass idea that Dalton is the clear #1 with no competition.

 

OL was bad with 3 backups on the 1st team, but Sam Mustipher also sucked today. Nagy talked about getting starters more reps this preseason so they wouldn't get off to the slow starts of past years, yet the Bears haven't played WR1, WR2, TE1, TE2, WR3, WR4, RB1, or 3/5 of their starting OL (due to injuries on the line, which I know) for more than 5 total snaps between them.

 

Justin Fields isn't 100% ready to take the reins and never look back, but Dalton isn't capable of winning games. Fields at least can do some damage with his legs, which also makes the defense commit another player to him and not the passing game. But you aren't doing your offense any favors by not letting Fields throw to the #1 offensive weapons. And if you're hellbent on Dalton starting, then you aren't even doing him any favors because he's not playing with them either.

 

Just frustrating to see the same old terrible offense, vanilla gameplan or not.

 

A lot of good points here. I am willing to be proven wrong but I just can't see a way that Nagy leads the Bears to a competent offense. Even if Fields eventually gets in there and plays well, I think his playcalling and game planning will always hold the offense back from being good, unless seeing him play well finally gives him the confidence to stop being a conservative turd.

 

I think he's just not the guy, though if he was willing to hand the playcalling reigns over to someone more competent he could be the coach that oversees everything and fosters a good locker room which he seems to do well. That's the only way Nagy works as a head coach IMO, but he seems to have too big of an ego to permanently allow someone else to call plays. You saw how reluctant he was to do it last year, and when the offense had a couple decent games in a row he quickly took control back and the offense faltered again (though admittedly it may be because they played the Packers and Saints)

 

Spot on, last year, he had the perfect chance to let it all hang out against the Saints, it was the ultimate what the horsefeathers game. And he still couldn't bring himself to be aggressive, I'm beginning to think he could have Mahomes, Rodgers or Brady and still manage to be the supremely incompetent wuss that he is.

[raw]

Best case scenario with Dalton starting is he plays not terrible enough to allow the defense to carry him and the offense to 9+ wins and another playoff season. But the problems are A) the defense doesn't appear capable of doing that. Not even based on today with several missing starters, but on paper the back 4/5 is below average with probably liabilities in Trevathan and Quinn in the front 7. And B) even if Dalton leads the team to a decent record, he's gone after this year because he's 36 and you have the future QB on the roster already. Why are we wasting time on a 35-year old QB who has won only 11 of his last 33 starts? You want to see him in the regular season? Throw on some tape that has gotten progressively worse in the last 5 years. If the issue is you don't think Fields is ready to start, then say that. But don't give me this crap about needing to see Dalton in the regular season.

[mias_tisg]

I'm fine with Dalton starting week 1. I think the next 10 years of Fields is more important than the first few weeks of this season. The Bears aren't beating the Rams with Dalton or Fields so if he's not ready, don't rush him. Fields has shown me some flashes so far against the weak competition he's faced but there's things he's done that shows he might not be ready yet including not picking up a blitz today.

[UMFan83]

I'm fine with Dalton starting week 1. I think the next 10 years of Fields is more important than the first few weeks of this season. The Bears aren't beating the Rams with Dalton or Fields so if he's not ready, don't rush him. Fields has shown me some flashes so far against the weak competition he's faced but there's things he's done that shows he might not be ready yet including not picking up a blitz today.

 

Honest question, what is the potential negative repercussions of starting fields before he’s ready. Development of bad habits? Loss of confidence? I feel like on the job training would be more valuable than having him watch and learn from umm Andy Dalton. If he’s the best QB or at least has the highest ceiling I’m struggling to understand how we can “break him” by playing him too soon. But maybe I’m missing some obvious reasons why playing him too soon would be bad

[mias_tisg]

I'm fine with Dalton starting week 1. I think the next 10 years of Fields is more important than the first few weeks of this season. The Bears aren't beating the Rams with Dalton or Fields so if he's not ready, don't rush him. Fields has shown me some flashes so far against the weak competition he's faced but there's things he's done that shows he might not be ready yet including not picking up a blitz today.

 

Honest question, what is the potential negative repercussions of starting fields before he’s ready. Development of bad habits? Loss of confidence? I feel like on the job training would be more valuable than having him watch and learn from umm Andy Dalton. If he’s the best QB or at least has the highest ceiling I’m struggling to understand how we can “break him” by playing him too soon. But maybe I’m missing some obvious reasons why playing him too soon would be bad

Every QB is different. You can have a Justin Herbert get thrown out there at last second notice and win Rookie of the Year or DeShone Kizer and Josh Rosen get thrown to the wolves on an awful team and lose all confidence right away. Or you can have Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes sit a year or two and become franchise guys.

 

From what I've read from Bears beat guys, Fields hasn't really separated himself from Dalton much at all this camp and despite Dalton's poor play so far in preseason, he's still playing with no Robinson, Mooney, Montgomery, Kmet against #1 guys while the Bears are hiding Fields against #3's.

[raw]

I'm fine with Dalton starting week 1. I think the next 10 years of Fields is more important than the first few weeks of this season. The Bears aren't beating the Rams with Dalton or Fields so if he's not ready, don't rush him. Fields has shown me some flashes so far against the weak competition he's faced but there's things he's done that shows he might not be ready yet including not picking up a blitz today.

 

Honest question, what is the potential negative repercussions of starting fields before he’s ready. Development of bad habits? Loss of confidence? I feel like on the job training would be more valuable than having him watch and learn from umm Andy Dalton. If he’s the best QB or at least has the highest ceiling I’m struggling to understand how we can “break him” by playing him too soon. But maybe I’m missing some obvious reasons why playing him too soon would be bad

Every QB is different. You can have a Justin Herbert get thrown out there at last second notice and win Rookie of the Year or DeShone Kizer and Josh Rosen get thrown to the wolves on an awful team and lose all confidence right away. Or you can have Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes sit a year or two and become franchise guys.

 

From what I've read from Bears beat guys, Fields hasn't really separated himself from Dalton much at all this camp and despite Dalton's poor play so far in preseason, he's still playing with no Robinson, Mooney, Montgomery, Kmet against #1 guys while the Bears are hiding Fields against #3's.

 

Yeah, there isn't a magic formula for when to play a QB. Some need the time to sit and learn, some don't. I wouldn't say Mahomes and Rodgers needed to sit as great as they are. I wouldn't say Rosen and Kizer shouldn't have played, because they are still bad. I think there are 2 reasons why you sit a highly drafted QB.

 

1. You have a veteran starter that can lead your team into contention (ala Alex Smith (Mahomes), Brett Favre (Rodgers), Jimmy G (Lance))

2. The QB simply isn't ready to run the offense

 

I'm perfectly fine with Dalton starting. My issue is the reasoning. We don't NEED to see him in the regular season. And he certainly doesn't fit into the #1 scenario. If #2 is the reason for sitting Fields, then Nagy has failed to get him ready, because by all account Fields seems like a guy that could be ready to play right now.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't really get worked up about the reasoning for doing things, because it's not their job to tell me the truth.

[UMFan83]

 

Depending on what the offer was, I would have strongly considered this

[raw]

If the Raiders would have been willing to give up a 1st round pick or even like a 2nd and a 4th or something like that, AND were paying the remaining 40Mil guaranteed on Mack's contract, I would have made the deal. Before the draft, it would have been ammo to get a QB. After the draft, it would have been cap space and recouped picks from trading for Fields. I love Mack, and he's still a great player, but the Bears need to balance the use of assets more on the offensive side of the ball, and the defense could stand to get younger.