Contreras Being “Extensively” Shopped

[Cubswin11]

Dare we speculate on what type of return the Cubs should get for Contreras? Top 50 overall prospect? They need to get a top SP prospect at some point.

A top 20-50 prospect, some sort of MLB ready/current player (like a swing man/bullpen arm/platoon bat/guy making money), and probably some young lotto ticket like a Yu trade guy would be my guess.

 

If we were trading for him as an example I’d say something like Amaya, 1 of Adbert, Nico or Bote and then a lotto ticket type guy in A ball.

 

I still don’t mind the idea of something like Contreras and Kimbrel to the Phillies for Segura, Spencer Howard and some other stuff going either way. Phillies can 1 stop shop their catcher and closer need. We save some money on a yearly basis and get a competent major league IF for a few years (still have to field a MLB team and could flip him at some point), also get a young rotation piece and maybe something else.

Edited December 30, 2020 by Cubswin11

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[Tim]

Dare we speculate on what type of return the Cubs should get for Contreras? Top 50 overall prospect? They need to get a top SP prospect at some point.

A top 20-50 prospect, some sort of MLB ready/current player (like a swing man/bullpen arm/platoon bat/guy making money), and probably some young lotto ticket like a Yu trade guy would be my guess.

 

If we were trading for him as an example I’d say something like Amaya, 1 of Adbert, Nico or Bote and then a lotto ticket type guy in A ball.

 

I still don’t mind the idea of something like Contreras and Kimbrel to the Phillies for Segura, Spencer Howard and some other stuff going either way. Phillies can 1 stop shop their catcher and closer need. We save some money on a yearly basis and get a competent major league IF for a few years (still have to field a MLB team and could flip him at some point), also get a young rotation piece and maybe something else.

Now that Dombrowski is there it is open season on Phillies prospects.

[Bertz]

I'm cool trading Willson, but IMO it has to go one of two ways:

 

1. This truly is a fire sale and you're going scorched earth. In that case Hendricks needs to go too. Happ probably as well (maybe he's young/controlled enough you don't *have* to?). Any of the guys in their walk years you can hang onto til the deadline if you'd like to gamble on them/your coaching

 

2. You have to get MLB or near MLB pieces back. If you're not going the fire sale route, you wanna do what you can to make this dip as short as possible. Darvish freed up money for next winter's FA bonanza, but did nothing to directy improve the '22 team. If you can fill a spot or (ideally) two on the '22 roster with a Willson trade, it starts being more likely that there are few enough cracks on the '22 roster that you can paper over them with cash

 

The question with Contreras though is where. Phillies are an obvious destination if they miss on Realmuto. Angels and Nationals as well. That's....about it? Are the Indians willing to reinvest ~1/3rd of Lindor's salary? Maybe the Tigers or Marlins want to start adding guys a star a year early in anticipation of really going for it next winter?

[Tim]

I'm cool trading Willson, but IMO it has to go one of two ways:

 

1. This truly is a fire sale and you're going scorched earth. In that case Hendricks needs to go too. Happ probably as well (maybe he's young/controlled enough you don't *have* to?). Any of the guys in their walk years you can hang onto til the deadline if you'd like to gamble on them/your coaching

 

2. You have to get MLB or near MLB pieces back. If you're not going the fire sale route, you wanna do what you can to make this dip as short as possible. Darvish freed up money for next winter's FA bonanza, but did nothing to directy improve the '22 team. If you can fill a spot or (ideally) two on the '22 roster with a Willson trade, it starts being more likely that there are few enough cracks on the '22 roster that you can paper over them with cash

 

The question with Contreras though is where. Phillies are an obvious destination if they miss on Realmuto. Angels and Nationals as well. That's....about it? Are the Indians willing to reinvest ~1/3rd of Lindor's salary? Maybe the Tigers or Marlins want to start adding guys a star a year early in anticipation of really going for it next winter?

If I'm trading Happ, I want an Adam Eaton kind of deal.

 

I feel I'm being realistic. :D

[Backtobanks]

 

 

 

2. You have to get MLB or near MLB pieces back. If you're not going the fire sale route, you wanna do what you can to make this dip as short as possible. Darvish freed up money for next winter's FA bonanza, but did nothing to directy improve the '22 team. If you can fill a spot or (ideally) two on the '22 roster with a Willson trade, it starts being more likely that there are few enough cracks on the '22 roster that you can paper over them with cash

 

 

What do you have against teenagers? After the embarrassing trade of Darvish, I wouldn't get my hopes up too high.

[ThePenguin11]

Dare we speculate on what type of return the Cubs should get for Contreras? Top 50 overall prospect? They need to get a top SP prospect at some point.

 

I'll go team specific:

 

Angels: Taylor Ward OF, Patrick Sandoval LHSP, Jordyn Adams CF, Werner Blakely SS/William Holmes RHP

 

Jays: Danny Jansen C, Ryan Borucki LHP, Hector Perez RHP, Simeon Woods-Richardson RHSP

 

Seattle: Logan Gilbert/George Kirby RHSP, Taylor Trammell CF, Kaden Polcovich SS

 

Rays: Manuel Margot CF, Taylor Walls SS, Xavier Edwards 2B, Jon Doxakis LHP/Joe Ryan RHP

 

I think I put them in order of personal preference

 

Kirby or Ryan please!

[Named After Maddux]

I'm cool trading Willson, but IMO it has to go one of two ways:

 

1. This truly is a fire sale and you're going scorched earth. In that case Hendricks needs to go too. Happ probably as well (maybe he's young/controlled enough you don't *have* to?). Any of the guys in their walk years you can hang onto til the deadline if you'd like to gamble on them/your coaching

 

2. You have to get MLB or near MLB pieces back. If you're not going the fire sale route, you wanna do what you can to make this dip as short as possible. Darvish freed up money for next winter's FA bonanza, but did nothing to directy improve the '22 team. If you can fill a spot or (ideally) two on the '22 roster with a Willson trade, it starts being more likely that there are few enough cracks on the '22 roster that you can paper over them with cash

 

The question with Contreras though is where. Phillies are an obvious destination if they miss on Realmuto. Angels and Nationals as well. That's....about it? Are the Indians willing to reinvest ~1/3rd of Lindor's salary? Maybe the Tigers or Marlins want to start adding guys a star a year early in anticipation of really going for it next winter?

 

I still like my Contreras to Toronto for Simeon Woods Richardson, Danny Jansen, and CJ Van Eyk deal. If you expanded it to include Davies, maybe Stripling comes back. He had a rough 2020, but if you believe you can get him back to form then his team control is helpful.

[Named After Maddux]

I still like my Contreras to Toronto for Simeon Woods Richardson, Danny Jansen, and CJ Van Eyk deal.

 

I like this much better, small but big impact. There was some twitter speculation Woods-Richardson might have made his ML debut in 2020 IIRC. Overall agreed that the Blue Jays are the cleanest fit if trading both Contreras and Caratini. It would be nice if the traded could be expanded to include Gurriel Jr.

 

Other take is I'd rather trade Mills than Davies in a Contreras deal. Davies can carry his own trade the way many are going to be scrambling for pitching if the season is scheduled for more than 60 games

 

That’s a good point on Mills, Tom. I’d prefer trading him over Davies despite the additional control.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

No one is giving you mlb-ready talent in trades these days. They’d rather just promote and use them themselves

[Cubswin11]

No one is giving you mlb-ready talent in trades these days. They’d rather just promote and use them themselves

The Rays literally just got two MLB ready guys in the Snell trade.

[toonsterwu]

Just to be clear, I didn't mean to suggest shopping Davies in a Contreras deal. If they opt to shop him, Davies should be good enough to be a deal on his own, considering the financial dynamics in baseball right now and his performance last year.

 

Considering the win-now mode the Angels are in and Contreras and Maddon's seemingly close relationship, plus a clear need for them there, that'd be an interesting fit. It's an interesting package idea that Tom posted above, with two major leaguers and Jordyn Adams as the headlining prospect. I could see something like that happen. I'd rather try and grab a high ceiling arm like Jack Kochanowicz than someone like Jordyn Adams. That said, Kochanowicz is a prized arm and might not be available.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

horsefeathers the Cubs.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

This thread sucks.

[Bear Cub]

I never thought the Cubs would suddenly become a second rate teams Thanks Ricketts and trump too!

[Backtobanks]

No one is giving you mlb-ready talent in trades these days. They’d rather just promote and use them themselves

The Rays literally just got two MLB ready guys in the Snell trade.

 

Yeah, but the Rays don't have PTR as an owner and Hoyer a president.

[fromthestretch]

No one is giving you mlb-ready talent in trades these days. They’d rather just promote and use them themselves

The Rays literally just got two MLB ready guys in the Snell trade.

 

Yeah, but the Rays don't have PTR as an owner and Hoyer a president.

 

We get it. You miss Hendry. Move on.

[Clem Fandango]

You know when we saw rumors that SD was shopping for a catcher with Darvish I assumed that meant Contreras and the Cubs were gonna pick their pockets for elite talent. Instead they got Caratini and from there I thought "Oh wow, the Cubs are going to commit to Contreras behind the plate"

 

But no, let's get rid of both of our catchers. Are they seriously gonna ride with Amaya behind the plate?

[toonsterwu]

Just to be clear, I didn't mean to suggest shopping Davies in a Contreras deal. If they opt to shop him, Davies should be good enough to be a deal on his own, considering the financial dynamics in baseball right now and his performance last year.

 

Considering the win-now mode the Angels are in and Contreras and Maddon's seemingly close relationship, plus a clear need for them there, that'd be an interesting fit. It's an interesting package idea that Tom posted above, with two major leaguers and Jordyn Adams as the headlining prospect. I could see something like that happen. I'd rather try and grab a high ceiling arm like Jack Kochanowicz than someone like Jordyn Adams. That said, Kochanowicz is a prized arm and might not be available.

 

Nooo, Adams is the reason my imaginary deal works! He's probably the best athlete in the minors, a sure CFer, has plenty of power coming, and demonstrated an advanced approach (10+% BB rate, below league average K rate, better than league average power) in the MWL over a nice, big 400+ PA sample size last year at 19. Think Pace of the Braves but he a higher ceiling and more team friendly (like winning not money) offensive game. Similar to Brennen Davis but with a much, much higher amateur profile, he was not supposed to see full season ball in 2019 let alone be one of the best players in the league. I have him as another one of those super high ceiling guys within the pro baseball sub-ML world*

 

Kochanowicz isn't horrendous or anything, but he's far from Adams and also booooooo pitchers that haven't thrown a pro (MLB, NPB, NCAA, KBO, MiLB) pitch

 

*True only if with Cubs obviously

 

I think, the little I've followed of baseball, that Adams swing seems mildly concerning. It's possible that got fixed at some point this season when I wasn't paying attention. His ceiling is through the roof, I'll admit. Got bored right now and saw a video on Jordyn Adams swing, so maybe it has changed a bit already. At some point, though, the Cubs need to get take some chances on some high ceiling arms. Kochanowicz's stuff ticked up, from what I read, and his secondary pitches had a solid base to work with. I really wonder if he ends up as a frontline type of arm. Yes, the risk is far higher, but at some point, the Cubs have to take a gamble. That said, it's quite possible the Angels, with Adell and Marsh, would be more willing to shop Adams than someone like Kochanowicz.

[squally1313]

You know when we saw rumors that SD was shopping for a catcher with Darvish I assumed that meant Contreras and the Cubs were gonna pick their pockets for elite talent. Instead they got Caratini and from there I thought "Oh wow, the Cubs are going to commit to Contreras behind the plate"

 

But no, let's get rid of both of our catchers. Are they seriously gonna ride with Amaya behind the plate?

 

I wonder if there’s a veteran catcher out there with a long, storied career who could mentor Amaya for a season. Perhaps even has a ton of experience in the NL central and could pass along that expertise as well.

 

(At this point, might as well right? Burn it all down)

[Rex Buckingham]

You know when we saw rumors that SD was shopping for a catcher with Darvish I assumed that meant Contreras and the Cubs were gonna pick their pockets for elite talent. Instead they got Caratini and from there I thought "Oh wow, the Cubs are going to commit to Contreras behind the plate"

 

But no, let's get rid of both of our catchers. Are they seriously gonna ride with Amaya behind the plate?

 

I wonder if there’s a veteran catcher out there with a long, storied career who could mentor Amaya for a season. Perhaps even has a ton of experience in the NL central and could pass along that expertise as well.

 

(At this point, might as well right? Burn it all down)

 

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

You know when we saw rumors that SD was shopping for a catcher with Darvish I assumed that meant Contreras and the Cubs were gonna pick their pockets for elite talent. Instead they got Caratini and from there I thought "Oh wow, the Cubs are going to commit to Contreras behind the plate"

 

But no, let's get rid of both of our catchers. Are they seriously gonna ride with Amaya behind the plate?

 

I wonder if there’s a veteran catcher out there with a long, storied career who could mentor Amaya for a season. Perhaps even has a ton of experience in the NL central and could pass along that expertise as well.

 

(At this point, might as well right? Burn it all down)

 

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit

Yeah, EVERYONE hates Ross.

[Andy]

For whatever it's worth, which isn't much after he tried to claim trading Yu wasn't about money

 

[Sammy Sofa]

 

I wonder if there’s a veteran catcher out there with a long, storied career who could mentor Amaya for a season. Perhaps even has a ton of experience in the NL central and could pass along that expertise as well.

 

(At this point, might as well right? Burn it all down)

 

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit

Yeah, EVERYONE hates Ross.

 

Nice.

 

Though the debacle of Ross the terrible manager also returning as a terrible manager/catcher hybrid might be balls-smashingly stupid enough to get me interested again. Like, bringing in Molina would just be boringly annoying. Doing the former instead would be the true I'm Gonna Cub So Hard galaxy-braining this franchise deserves.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Wait is Bob really the only person reporting this? So Contreras is getting extended then?