It’s not me, it’s Yu

[Clem Fandango]

That is really good news, all things considered

[MarkR]

Are people confident he'll provide some value next year?

[Tim]

Are people confident he'll provide some value next year?

Well, his arm will be fresh.

[Old Style]

Are people confident he'll provide some value next year?

Well, his arm will be fresh.

Supposeably

[PackLandVA]

Are people confident he'll provide some value next year?

Well, his arm will be fresh.

 

Which one?

[Cubswin11]

Are people confident he'll provide some value next year?

If he doesn’t have a surgery I’d say I’m fairly confident he can contribute in the rotation in some capacity. Don’t know how good he’ll be, but I think he’ll provide value.

[soccer10k]

Are people confident he'll provide some value next year?

 

Not at all.

[Andy]

Are people confident he'll provide some value next year?

 

Not at all.

He is a pitcher. Any day he is still breathing is pretty much a win, let alone providing value.

[soccer10k]

Are people confident he'll provide some value next year?

 

Not at all.

He is a pitcher. Any day he is still breathing is pretty much a win, let alone providing value.

 

Counterpoint on the providing value part:

 

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[sneakypower]

Theo

 

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[Cubswin11]

What a joke, what a horsefeathering joke. The entire training and medical staff should be under review. This is Mets like

 

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[UMFan83]

I did question why it took this 3rd MRI to finally find something wrong in the elbow that necessitated shutting him down. If they caught it back in May or whatever, there is a pretty good chance that he is pitching right now.

[Cubswin11]

I did question why it took this 3rd MRI to finally find something wrong in the elbow that necessitated shutting him down. If they caught it back in May or whatever, there is a pretty good chance that he is pitching right now.

Yeah it’s probably likely he is or close to being back soon. Someone better be fired over this. It’s incompetence.

[Banedon]

What a joke, what a horsefeathering joke. The entire training and medical staff should be under review. This is Mets like

 

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I kinda thought MRI's were almost like a first step with any pitcher having arm pain anymore.

[Brian]

I did question why it took this 3rd MRI to finally find something wrong in the elbow that necessitated shutting him down. If they caught it back in May or whatever, there is a pretty good chance that he is pitching right now.

 

I saw this earlier from a Muskat article...

 

• Yu Darvish had two MRIs before undergoing an arthrogram on Monday in Chicago, which revealed the stress reaction in his elbow. Hoyer said an arthrogram is really the last step because it's so invasive, which is why neither the Cubs' medical staff nor the Rangers' doctor Darvish saw recommended doing so earlier.

 

"With Yu, the initial MRIs didn't show a stress reaction and we treated the symptoms," Hoyer said. "You can't just always go to the ultimate test right away. We felt we had the right information."

 

I don't know anything about any of this so it's hard to tell if waiting so long for the arthrogram was negligent if two independent medical teams didn't push for it, but yeah this is pretty bad.

 

 

Doesn't this also sound like the same thing that is going on with Morrow?

[Tim]

I know it took a whole bunch of tests to find everything wrong in my neck last month. Even then, the doctors disagreed on how much damage there was in there. I had multiple x-rays, ct's and mri's. I'm not sure they really knew for certain until they actually cut me open.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

What a joke, what a horsefeathering joke. The entire training and medical staff should be under review. This is Mets like

 

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Fire them and fire Alex Rodriguez.

[jersey cubs fan]

I did question why it took this 3rd MRI to finally find something wrong in the elbow that necessitated shutting him down. If they caught it back in May or whatever, there is a pretty good chance that he is pitching right now.

 

That's a little pollyanna. Had he done the MRI in May he might have been healthy enough to start 2019 in the rotation. Now we'll be lucky to see him before next September.

[Cubswin11]

Feeling great now too that they’ve properly diagnosed the Bryant, Morrow, Monty, and Russell injuries (and whoever else has come to them with a concern, Qs shoulder?) and have the proper rehab action. What a joke.

[ConstableRabbit]

Apparently, they try not to do the type of MRI that showed this issue until they absolutely feel that they have to because it involves injecting a dye that can cause even more soreness. Why it wasn't done earlier, however -- not sure.

[Cubswin11]

I did question why it took this 3rd MRI to finally find something wrong in the elbow that necessitated shutting him down. If they caught it back in May or whatever, there is a pretty good chance that he is pitching right now.

 

I saw this earlier from a Muskat article...

 

• Yu Darvish had two MRIs before undergoing an arthrogram on Monday in Chicago, which revealed the stress reaction in his elbow. Hoyer said an arthrogram is really the last step because it's so invasive, which is why neither the Cubs' medical staff nor the Rangers' doctor Darvish saw recommended doing so earlier.

 

"With Yu, the initial MRIs didn't show a stress reaction and we treated the symptoms," Hoyer said. "You can't just always go to the ultimate test right away. We felt we had the right information."

 

I don't know anything about any of this so it's hard to tell if waiting so long for the arthrogram was negligent if two independent medical teams didn't push for it, but yeah this is pretty bad.

 

 

Doesn't this also sound like the same thing that is going on with Morrow?

I think it’s pretty negligent. Yes it the most invasive, but still didn’t require cutting him open. Do the horsefeathering right test right away when the pitcher you just gave $120 million to tells you his arm hurts to find out exactly what’s going on. This isn’t Joe Schmo off the street coming in because he has arm discomfort and you can start from the easiest tests first to figure it out. This is a precious asset that needs to be managed and needs his arm near 100% to do what you pay him to do, do the right test that’s going to give you definitive answers right away. By not doing that he almost fractured his arm. This is disgusting and I have serious doubts about our medical staff (whether directly employed or contracted with) moving forward.

[Cubswin11]

Apparently, they try not to do the type of MRI that showed this issue until they absolutely feel that they have to because it involves injecting a dye that can cause even more soreness. Why it wasn't done earlier, however -- not sure.

I don’t get that. Pitcher says his arm hurts, but they don’t want to do the right test because it might make the arm more sore for a while but also might not diagnose the injury so after that just keep throwing (which can make things worse and almost did). Do the definitive test first if you don’t need to cut the guy open.

[ConstableRabbit]

Apparently, they try not to do the type of MRI that showed this issue until they absolutely feel that they have to because it involves injecting a dye that can cause even more soreness. Why it wasn't done earlier, however -- not sure.

I don’t get that. Pitcher says his arm hurts, but they don’t want to do the right test because it might make the arm more sore for a while but also might not diagnose the injury so after that just keep throwing (which can make things worse and almost did). Do the definitive test first if you don’t need to cut the guy open.

My sense is that a best practice would be to do the least invasive stuff first to rule out a majority of issues vs. boil the ocean. I would imagine that because a lot of things can cause arm soreness, they didn't want to go down this path.

 

What's confusing to me is how long it took to get to this more invasive MRI, though. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Did he get better before he got worse?

[Cubswin11]

Apparently, they try not to do the type of MRI that showed this issue until they absolutely feel that they have to because it involves injecting a dye that can cause even more soreness. Why it wasn't done earlier, however -- not sure.

I don’t get that. Pitcher says his arm hurts, but they don’t want to do the right test because it might make the arm more sore for a while but also might not diagnose the injury so after that just keep throwing (which can make things worse and almost did). Do the definitive test first if you don’t need to cut the guy open.

My sense is that a best practice would be to do the least invasive stuff first to rule out a majority of issues vs. boil the ocean. I would imagine that because a lot of things can cause arm soreness, they didn't want to go down this path.

 

What's confusing to me is how long it took to get to this more invasive MRI, though. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Did he get better before he got worse?

My view in it is that it’s a pitchers arm, if he comes and says it hurts do the test first that’s going to give you the most definitive answers. If it casues his arm to be sore a while longer because of the injection, so what. He’s already saying he hurts. If it takes 1-2 weeks longer to come back so be it. Find out exactly what’s going on as soon as possible to avoid residual injuries or misdiagnosis.

 

I get that shouldn’t be the course of action for a common persons injury but for a pitcher who needs his arm I think it should be more drastic and pushing the envelope. Obviously if it takes cutting his arm open to figure it out I get going step by step, but if it’s a dye and delays things a bit longer if he checks out 100% so be it. You’re certain then.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not a doctor but,

 

 

I get going with least invasive first, but when he suffered his first setback during that initial rehab, they should have gotten more aggressive.