Where will Giancar-go? The Yankees.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

The Yankees are still going to also get Harper or Machado after next season; don't kid yourselves.

 

Machado, maybe. But not Harper. They're not just going to completely ignore the luxury tax, and they've got their OF (and DH) pretty well covered now.

 

Yeah a corner OF makes no sense for them now. But I could definitely still see them making a play at Machado.

[Cubswin11]

Yeah no way they get Harper now, Machado makes more sense if they are giving out that type of contract. This is a good outcome for us.

[Sammy Sofa]

Heed my words.

 

[CaliforniaRaisin]

The Yankees are still going to also get Harper or Machado after next season; don't kid yourselves.

 

Machado, maybe. But not Harper. They're not just going to completely ignore the luxury tax, and they've got their OF (and DH) pretty well covered now.

 

Just brace for the pain now.

 

Spoken like someone who doesn't know how painful the new luxury tax is.

[champaignchris]

Yeah, if the Yankees are going to lap the luxury tax next year, they won’t make a move that forces Judge or Stanton to the DH to do it. They’ll fill one of their chronic holes with Kershaw or Machado.

[Cubswin11]

So the Yankees will be 3-4 time repeat lux tax offenders going in to next offseason’s FA bonanza?

[Sammy Sofa]

So the Yankees will be 3-4 time repeat lux tax offenders going in to next offseason’s FA bonanza?

 

[Cubswin11]

LOL

 

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[Sammy Sofa]

Yes, PLEASE have the Cardinals panic and trade of some good prospects for a dude who will be gone after a year.

[The_Achiever]

LOL

 

 

I don't want the cardinals to get either but I bet both of those guys would bounce after one year. Machado especially.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

So the Yankees will be 3-4 time repeat lux tax offenders going in to next offseason’s FA bonanza?

 

They chose Stanton a year early. A bird in the hand.

[davell]

Not sure who they're giving up outside of Starlin, but the Yanks can make this move, still add some starting pitching, and stay under the LT.

 

Getting rid of Headley, Gardner, or Robertson could make it even easier.

 

But, it looks like they're at 160, counting Stanton, subtracting Starlin. In other words, they've got about 20M to spend. Much more, if they move any of those 3 guys.

[Cubswin11]

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[CaliforniaRaisin]

Not sure who they're giving up outside of Starlin, but the Yanks can make this move, still add some starting pitching, and stay under the LT.

 

Getting rid of Headley, Gardner, or Robertson could make it even easier.

 

But, it looks like they're at 160, counting Stanton, subtracting Starlin. In other words, they've got about 20M to spend. Much more, if they move any of those 3 guys.

 

Looks like it's just Starlin from the big league team:

 

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[CubinNY]

Trying not to let myself hate Heyward, thinking about how easily we could have had Stanton if it weren't for him.

 

A ton of things had to happen to get to this point no reason to hate Heyward, plus we won a World Series.

 

The Marlins might not have even been sold if Fernandez just decided to go home instead of jettying himself.

 

I just want to add Stanton's dongs to our lineup, leave me alone about it, ok?

Stanton is going to spend more time on the DL than he will be in the lineup over the course of the next three years. If he can't stay healthy when he's young, it's only going to get worse as he ages.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Not sure who they're giving up outside of Starlin, but the Yanks can make this move, still add some starting pitching, and stay under the LT.

 

Getting rid of Headley, Gardner, or Robertson could make it even easier.

 

But, it looks like they're at 160, counting Stanton, subtracting Starlin. In other words, they've got about 20M to spend. Much more, if they move any of those 3 guys.

 

After this trade they'll be 10-15 million under. They can probably trade away Betances to fit room to add someone like Cobb and probably be under on the whole.

[davell]

Not sure who they're giving up outside of Starlin, but the Yanks can make this move, still add some starting pitching, and stay under the LT.

 

Getting rid of Headley, Gardner, or Robertson could make it even easier.

 

But, it looks like they're at 160, counting Stanton, subtracting Starlin. In other words, they've got about 20M to spend. Much more, if they move any of those 3 guys.

 

After this trade they'll be 10-15 million under. They can probably trade away Betances to fit room to add someone like Cobb and probably be under on the whole.

 

I think its more than that.

 

Tanaka 22.2

Ellsbury 21.8

Chapman 17.2

Headley 13

Gardner 13

Robertson 11.5

Paying McCann 5.5

Warren 3.1

Gregorius 9

Betances 4.4

Gray 6.6

Romine 1.2

Hicks 2.9

Kahnle 1.3

Shreve 0.9

Stanton 22

 

Total-155.6, plus 6 or 7 for pre arb guys, plus 16 for insurances, sets them at 178.6 or so, at worst. Leaving them a bit over 18 to spend. But, Gardner, Headley, and Robertson are all in the last year of their deals. That's 37.5 mill they can conceivably move away from as well. They're in damn good shape.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think its more than that.

 

Tanaka 22.2

Ellsbury 21.8

Chapman 17.2

Headley 13

Gardner 13

Robertson 11.5

Paying McCann 5.5

Warren 3.1

Gregorius 9

Betances 4.4

Gray 6.6

Romine 1.2

Hicks 2.9

Kahnle 1.3

Shreve 0.9

Stanton 22

 

Total-155.6, plus 6 or 7 for pre arb guys, plus 16 for insurances, sets them at 178.6 or so, at worst. Leaving them a bit over 18 to spend. But, Gardner, Headley, and Robertson are all in the last year of their deals. That's 37.5 mill they can conceivably move away from as well. They're in damn good shape.

 

You need a couple more pre-arbs, Cots has it as 13 million and change when you swap Castro for Stanton: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ai3Wo4UVZbUFtEEOnVEUwBgh2H45wwNe4nd6bXPAvRQ

 

They also have late year arb increases to Didi, Gray, and Hicks after next year, plus Severino, Bird, and mayyybe Sanchez as 1st year arb eligible. That probably eats up half of what gets freed up by expiring contracts.

 

They aren't in bad shape by any means, it's just tighter than a cursory look would appear.

[davell]

Yeah, it looks like there's a 6 mill discrepancy in arb estimates? That'd change things a bit. They've got maneuverability though.

[toonsterwu]

Heck of a deal for the Yankees ... and honestly, that's a better prospect package than I thought the Marlins were going to get as of last night.

 

Personally, based on the reports late last night, I was hoping things would blow up in the Marlins face. If they were stupid enough to let Giancarlo know that the talks with the Yankees were advanced enough ... then of course Giancarlo was going to exercise some power if he preferred going there to the Cardinals/Giants.

 

There isn't a great comparable talent to Guzman in the Cubs system (I mean, I guess you could squint and see similarities with a ton of arms), but he's a legitimate arm talent. Actually, the closest guy may be someone like Dillon Maples, but Guzman seems to have better command as of now, so he'll stick in the rotation for now. Jose Devers looks like he might have some hope of sticking in the middle infield and having some bat. Starlin probably isn't for long there, although you never know. I could see a number of teams potentially get involved with Castro, with few years left and still that young. The Marlins should be able to clear salary and get some borderline talent if they wanted.

 

Still, Yankees sort of have to make that deal. It's just too good to pass up - they have more talented arms and more talented middle infielders. They have a loaded system right now, and giving up those guys doesn't change the fact that they are loaded. They couldn't be certain on next winter, so they make the move now ... and they still will likely be below the luxury tax. About the only contract that they likely can't move is Jacoby Ellsbury, and even then, I think they might be able to move a chunk of that. It's not like they have a ton of holes ... and they have the system to fill it in. They can go hard after controllable pitchers now since someone like Clint Frazier could headline a deal. I mean, a trade seems a bit unlikely, but if the Yankees came calling with say, Clint Frazier and say, Justus Sheffield ... I gotta think the Rays would listen on Archer.

 

Admittedly, Harper seems a bit unlikely now ... but I wouldn't rule it out for them. Rotate that big three in the corners and put one at DH to save their legs ... not the worst idea. There's just so many options Cashman can take now ... and it's funny to think, a few years ago, he was almost gone.

[toonsterwu]

Id like to think it finally time for one of the Jays or Rays to cough up Stroman or Archer.

 

I think the Blue Jays might be stubborn enough for now, wanting to wait and see, but yes, I gotta think this increases the chances Archer is moved. The Rays are typically fairly rational about things, and this is a tough road for them to climb. That said, this might increase the chances of the Yankees getting in on Archer, and with the Nationals making rumblings about Jake Arrieta, I wouldn't be surprised if they got involved with Archer if he was on the market.

 

With Ohtani gone, if Archer is put on the market, I think a lot of teams pivot to that instead of Darvish or Cobb, which could slow down the market even more.

[SouthSideRyan]

LOL

 

 

Unfortunately they'll probably be as irrational as the 2015 Royals.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

A ton of things had to happen to get to this point no reason to hate Heyward, plus we won a World Series.

 

The Marlins might not have even been sold if Fernandez just decided to go home instead of jettying himself.

 

I just want to add Stanton's dongs to our lineup, leave me alone about it, ok?

Stanton is going to spend more time on the DL than he will be in the lineup over the course of the next three years. If he can't stay healthy when he's young, it's only going to get worse as he ages.

 

He played 159 games last year.

[Agony and Ivy]

 

I just want to add Stanton's dongs to our lineup, leave me alone about it, ok?

Stanton is going to spend more time on the DL than he will be in the lineup over the course of the next three years. If he can't stay healthy when he's young, it's only going to get worse as he ages.

 

He played 159 games last year.

 

And getting a fastball to the face doesn’t make on injury prone. This is a weird take that’s more commonly accepted on the internet than it should be.

[Sammy Sofa]

Well, he's also got nagging hamstring issues and basically broke his wrist from swinging the bat.