Cubs trade Eloy, Cease, others for Quintana

[Derwood]

We sign Harper and put him in RF and keep Schwarber in LF and I don't really worry too much about Eloy... Im more worried about Cease ending up a legit #1 through his rookie deal. That would suck, but its baseball. Hopefully we win a couple rings with Quintana contributing and then it ends up being a win-win for both teams.

 

But to say that this will be the worst trade in franchise history at this point is horsefeathering ridiculous.

 

Eloy is laying waste to AAA, though. Cease is doing great, but AA. I'm curious what their timeline with either is right now

[imb]

if quintana has actually fallen off at all and it's not just a one-year blip, we probably "lose" the trade bc Eloy and Cease are a fair bit to provide lots of value through their rookie deals. But overall it's probably fine and a trade you have to make if you're the cubs in the middle of your window.

 

but if quintana is this guy the next couple years rather than the guy we saw last year, it's gonna really suck to watch

[JennieGarthAlgar]

We sign Harper and put him in RF and keep Schwarber in LF and I don't really worry too much about Eloy... Im more worried about Cease ending up a legit #1 through his rookie deal. That would suck, but its baseball. Hopefully we win a couple rings with Quintana contributing and then it ends up being a win-win for both teams.

 

But to say that this will be the worst trade in franchise history at this point is horsefeathering ridiculous.

 

Eloy is laying waste to AAA, though.

 

Bryce Harper, though.

[David]

Eloy is jorge 2.0, now with fewer walks

 

(no but seriously i'm just saying if he's going to be some great player he's gonna have to hit a hell of a lot to make up for probably being a bad defender at a not so valuable position)

[Bertz]

I'm not too worried about losing Eloy. Even with him destroying AAA it's doubtful that he's much more than Schwarber. Maybe we chose the wrong arm to cash him in for, but using him to shore up the rotation was absolutely the right move.

 

Cease is looking more and more likely to actually be something, but his median outcome is still probably a very high end reliever. Like Eloy, that would hurt, but it's really unlikely he'll be enough to make this trade go down as an all timer.

[Brian]

Even sticking to the last 10 years, 1 1/2 years of Harden equaled no playoff games won and Josh Donaldson went on to win an MVP. It's going to take a lot to top that gulf, but there are two of them to do it.

[Derwood]

We sign Harper and put him in RF and keep Schwarber in LF and I don't really worry too much about Eloy... Im more worried about Cease ending up a legit #1 through his rookie deal. That would suck, but its baseball. Hopefully we win a couple rings with Quintana contributing and then it ends up being a win-win for both teams.

 

But to say that this will be the worst trade in franchise history at this point is horsefeathering ridiculous.

 

Eloy is laying waste to AAA, though.

 

Bryce Harper, though.

 

I'm 100% on the Harper bandwagon, but I appreciate the cost-benefit-analysis of saying Eloy might give you 70% of Harper at 1% of the cost

[Backtobanks]

I'm not too worried about losing Eloy. Even with him destroying AAA it's doubtful that he's much more than Schwarber. Maybe we chose the wrong arm to cash him in for, but using him to shore up the rotation was absolutely the right move.

 

Cease is looking more and more likely to actually be something, but his median outcome is still probably a very high end reliever. Like Eloy, that would hurt, but it's really unlikely he'll be enough to make this trade go down as an all timer.

 

 

The comparisons that I heard are more like a healthy Bryant rather than Schwarber.

[Tim]

I'm not too worried about losing Eloy. Even with him destroying AAA it's doubtful that he's much more than Schwarber. Maybe we chose the wrong arm to cash him in for, but using him to shore up the rotation was absolutely the right move.

 

Cease is looking more and more likely to actually be something, but his median outcome is still probably a very high end reliever. Like Eloy, that would hurt, but it's really unlikely he'll be enough to make this trade go down as an all timer.

 

 

The comparisons that I heard are more like a healthy Bryant rather than Schwarber.

With the bat.

 

But if you take out the baserunning and defense from Bryant, you're not left with that much more than Schwarber.

[David]

I'm not too worried about losing Eloy. Even with him destroying AAA it's doubtful that he's much more than Schwarber. Maybe we chose the wrong arm to cash him in for, but using him to shore up the rotation was absolutely the right move.

 

Cease is looking more and more likely to actually be something, but his median outcome is still probably a very high end reliever. Like Eloy, that would hurt, but it's really unlikely he'll be enough to make this trade go down as an all timer.

 

 

The comparisons that I heard are more like a healthy Bryant rather than Schwarber.

 

he doesn't walk nearly enough to warrant such a comp

[Backtobanks]

I'm not too worried about losing Eloy. Even with him destroying AAA it's doubtful that he's much more than Schwarber. Maybe we chose the wrong arm to cash him in for, but using him to shore up the rotation was absolutely the right move.

 

Cease is looking more and more likely to actually be something, but his median outcome is still probably a very high end reliever. Like Eloy, that would hurt, but it's really unlikely he'll be enough to make this trade go down as an all timer.

 

 

The comparisons that I heard are more like a healthy Bryant rather than Schwarber.

 

he doesn't walk nearly enough to warrant such a comp

 

He's expected to have a higher BA than Schwarber with the same power. The walks may come with maturity.

[ConstableRabbit]

 

Eloy is laying waste to AAA, though.

 

Bryce Harper, though.

 

I'm 100% on the Harper bandwagon, but I appreciate the cost-benefit-analysis of saying Eloy might give you 70% of Harper at 1% of the cost

I would be surprised if Eloy becomes 70% of Harper.

[Derwood]

 

Bryce Harper, though.

 

I'm 100% on the Harper bandwagon, but I appreciate the cost-benefit-analysis of saying Eloy might give you 70% of Harper at 1% of the cost

I would be surprised if Eloy becomes 70% of Harper.

 

Technically, 70% of a 1.000 OPS is a .700 OPS, so...

[The_Achiever]

I'm rooting for Q to have great success. He gets dogged for a trade he didn't make, against guys who haven't even played in the bigs yet.

 

Forget the horsefeathering stupid white sox. I am sure Q is happy to be gone from that miserable organization. They never gave him any run support there anyway.

[Regular Show]

 

I'm 100% on the Harper bandwagon, but I appreciate the cost-benefit-analysis of saying Eloy might give you 70% of Harper at 1% of the cost

I would be surprised if Eloy becomes 70% of Harper.

 

Technically, 70% of a 1.000 OPS is a .700 OPS, so...

 

Yeah, I was going to mention this as well lol. 70% of what Harper produces in value isn't actually all that great. He probably meant a higher percentage or something.

[David]

well, harper has been on average about a 5.3 win player per full season of his career, so 70% of that would be a 3.7 win player which is pretty good

[WrigleyField 22]

well, harper has been on average about a 5.3 win player per full season of his career, so 70% of that would be a 3.7 win player which is pretty good

Yea, this makes more sense than 70% of OPS since the floor isn't really 0.000 OPS.

[ConstableRabbit]

Talent distribution is also not even.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

 

Bryce Harper, though.

 

I'm 100% on the Harper bandwagon, but I appreciate the cost-benefit-analysis of saying Eloy might give you 70% of Harper at 1% of the cost

I would be surprised if Eloy becomes 70% of Harper.

me too. it's probably going to be at least 170%

[bcl412]

 

I'm 100% on the Harper bandwagon, but I appreciate the cost-benefit-analysis of saying Eloy might give you 70% of Harper at 1% of the cost

I would be surprised if Eloy becomes 70% of Harper.

me too. it's probably going to be at least 170%

 

If we sign Harper....well, probably

[Cubswin11]

 

I'm 100% on the Harper bandwagon, but I appreciate the cost-benefit-analysis of saying Eloy might give you 70% of Harper at 1% of the cost

I would be surprised if Eloy becomes 70% of Harper.

me too. it's probably going to be at least 170%

I think you left off a zero or 7

[StarlinOnYou]

Even sticking to the last 10 years, 1 1/2 years of Harden equaled no playoff games won and Josh Donaldson went on to win an MVP. It's going to take a lot to top that gulf, but there are two of them to do it.

 

I’d disagree on the simple notion that at least Harden was viewed as an elite starting pitcher for a while. Quintana was never viewed as an ace. Donaldson was also a catchercoming up and never considered an elite prospect like Eloy is.

 

This trade has obviously been terrible. Along with the Darvish signing & Chatwood signing. Just a brutal run on pitching acquisitions lately. I don’t know what else to say about the pitching staff.

[Cubswin11]

It just sucks there were no other options available last year to trade Eloy for. Q was the best option and we needed him. I still stand behind the deal as being necessary and the process of it being good, Q needs to be better. And it’s a little ridiculous to call this a complete bust of a trade already.

[StarlinOnYou]

It just sucks there were no other options available last year to trade Eloy for. Q was the best option and we needed him. I still stand behind the deal as being necessary and the process of it being good, Q needs to be better. And it’s a little ridiculous to call this a complete bust of a trade already.

 

Yeah, I keep going back and thinking about how Verlander more or less stated openly he wanted to play here.

 

Assuming we didn’t have to give up Eloy for him - this teams pitching staff would look entirely different with Verlander and not Q.

[Cubswin11]

It just sucks there were no other options available last year to trade Eloy for. Q was the best option and we needed him. I still stand behind the deal as being necessary and the process of it being good, Q needs to be better. And it’s a little ridiculous to call this a complete bust of a trade already.

 

Yeah, I keep going back and thinking about how Verlander more or less stated openly he wanted to play here.

 

Assuming we didn’t have to give up Eloy for him - this teams pitching staff would look entirely different with Verlander and not Q.

Yeah that's a big miss looking back on it to do that and not Q, but who knows if Verlander gets the boost here he did in Houston with whatever they are doing with the pitchers there. Verlander has been quite Cobs like going back to about June now, though. 4.06 ERA and 17 dongs in 12 starts going back to June 8.