Chapman to Yankees

[davell]

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Agree a million percent

[imb]

I hope Maddon overused him so much that his arm falls off this season.

 

"¡Ese es mi brazo de perforación!"

[CubColtPacer]

Goony is 100% right. Whatever happened, it wound up working. No need to apologize, unless he was trying to put Aroldis under the knife, in which case, he failed and deserves scorn.

 

I'm just a little surprised that he would try to argue that Champan wasn't worn down in game 7, that the only reason he threw almost exclusively sliders in the 9th inning is because Montero was catching him, etc. Could he believe that? Maybe. But it seems hard to believe when his fastball velocity was down in game 7, his sliders were in terrible locations even in the 1-2-3 ninth, etc.

 

If he had come out and said that they tried to push their best as far as they could, and even if Chapman wasn't his best that night he did just enough to get people out, I could at least buy that even if he didn't admit a mistake.

[ConstableRabbit]

"Who cares if it was a stupid decision? It worked!"

 

is some Dusty level horsefeathers.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Didn't we learn enough from the Henry Blanco, terrible translator incident not to put too much weight behind Chapman's exact phrasing? He said he was tired in Game 7 and he never questioned Maddon's decisions in the moment. Zero problem with his translated press conference quotes.

 

Maddon not at least acknowledging that Chapman was gassed in Game 7 is a little odd given how forthcoming he normally is, but maybe there's a level of consideration for the rest of the bullpen being made there. If he's truly honest and says "yeah I rode Chapman too hard", even if he doesn't elaborate there's a pretty implicit "I thought Rondon, Strop and friends were garbage at that point and had no other choice" attached.

[toonsterwu]

I'm reading through these comments, and unless I'm missing something, I'm ... confused at why people are upset from a baseball perspective. He was asked about his usage, said he thought he was over-used and pointed to Game 6 and specifically the 9th inning (although there was a comment in there about how he didn't think he needed to be in and that Game 7 was critical at that point). He noted he was tired for Game 7. He also noted that his opinion is that baseball players shouldn't complain at the time, and that his job is to follow the manager's decisions.

 

Again, I don't see what the big deal is. I'd be more curious if there's a different connotation to his words in his native language and maybe it means/sounds far less significant than what the translator made it sound (and I don't even think the translator made it sound all that bad). After years of listening to Orioles translators botch through Wei-Yin Chen interviews (even when Chen could speak English just fine) ... I don't know. This doesn't seem all that egregious from a baseball perspective. I'm not even sure the translated version really blasts Maddon all that much - he said his job is to not complain and come in and pitch at the moment, and his major critique, if any, is Game 6.

 

Again, leaving aside the personal stuff with Aroldis, I just don't see any reason to get too upset about these translated comments unless there's more somewhere that I'm missing. The only thing that piques me curiosity is actually whether or not he told Maddon/Bosio that he was tired for Game 7, but at the end of the day, that doesn't matter since, well, the Cubs won.

[imb]

"Who cares if it was a stupid decision? It worked!"

 

is some Dusty level horsefeathers.

 

joe has earned a few "look the other ways" at this point where you just say "uhhh dont do it again" and move on.

[WoodRules]

I am not mad at Chapman for saying he was overused, because he was. I am also not mad at Maddon for overusing him.(OK maybe just for a couple minutes in game 7)

[CubColtPacer]

Didn't we learn enough from the Henry Blanco, terrible translator incident not to put too much weight behind Chapman's exact phrasing? He said he was tired in Game 7 and he never questioned Maddon's decisions in the moment. Zero problem with his translated press conference quotes.

 

Maddon not at least acknowledging that Chapman was gassed in Game 7 is a little odd given how forthcoming he normally is, but maybe there's a level of consideration for the rest of the bullpen being made there. If he's truly honest and says "yeah I rode Chapman too hard", even if he doesn't elaborate there's a pretty implicit "I thought Rondon, Strop and friends were garbage at that point and had no other choice" attached.

 

Maddon kind of did that though when talking about Chapman's game 6 usage. He brought up the injuries to Rondon and Strop and basically said that it was a bad part of the order and he didn't trust anybody else.

 

That Maddon interview was a long interview, and he only acknowledged two mistakes. He didn't have a reliever up in game 6 in case the Cubs pushed the lead from 5 to even more. Then he essentially blamed David Ross for Chapman's performance in game 7. He seemed to think that Chapman's stuff was fine, but Ross just called for too many fastballs in the 8th inning.

[weis21]

maybe he's just acknowledging he kind of sucked in game 7 and that's what he disagreed with? that he was worked to the point he wasn't as effective as he wished he could be? he was crying during the rain delay because he felt so bad for blowing the lead. it's not like he pouting or threw a tantrum in the moment or directly thereafter. seems like a nonissue but i don't really care either way i guess.

[jersey cubs fan]

"Who cares if it was a stupid decision? It worked!"

 

is some Dusty level horsefeathers.

 

no, no it isn't.

 

Dusty made stupid decisions repeatedly, in every series in every season, in nearly every game. His entire thought process was flawed garbage.

 

Maddon gets it, and gets it done. He does things the right way much more than most.

 

He did something stupid in that moment but the Cubs won and it should not and will not define him.

 

There is no good [expletive] reason why he should be out there apologizing for anything.

[David]

Didn't we learn enough from the Henry Blanco, terrible translator incident not to put too much weight behind Chapman's exact phrasing? He said he was tired in Game 7 and he never questioned Maddon's decisions in the moment. Zero problem with his translated press conference quotes.

 

Maddon not at least acknowledging that Chapman was gassed in Game 7 is a little odd given how forthcoming he normally is, but maybe there's a level of consideration for the rest of the bullpen being made there. If he's truly honest and says "yeah I rode Chapman too hard", even if he doesn't elaborate there's a pretty implicit "I thought Rondon, Strop and friends were garbage at that point and had no other choice" attached.

 

Maddon kind of did that though when talking about Chapman's game 6 usage. He brought up the injuries to Rondon and Strop and basically said that it was a bad part of the order and he didn't trust anybody else.

 

That Maddon interview was a long interview, and he only acknowledged two mistakes. He didn't have a reliever up in game 6 in case the Cubs pushed the lead from 5 to even more. Then he essentially blamed David Ross for Chapman's performance in game 7. He seemed to think that Chapman's stuff was fine, but Ross just called for too many fastballs in the 8th inning.

 

Yeah, I forgot about the Ross thing. That was so strange.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

That Maddon interview was a long interview, and he only acknowledged two mistakes. He didn't have a reliever up in game 6 in case the Cubs pushed the lead from 5 to even more.

 

Am I remembering correctly that even after they took the big lead, the Cubs STILL didn't get somebody up right away? And I want to say the next guy walked, and even during that whole at-bat they didn't have somebody get up. I apologize if my memory is spreading misinformation.

[ConstableRabbit]

"Who cares if it was a stupid decision? It worked!"

 

is some Dusty level horsefeathers.

 

no, no it isn't.

 

Dusty made stupid decisions repeatedly, in every series in every season, in nearly every game. His entire thought process was flawed garbage.

 

Maddon gets it, and gets it done. He does things the right way much more than most.

 

He did something stupid in that moment but the Cubs won and it should not and will not define him.

 

There is no good [expletive] reason why he should be out there apologizing for anything.

I'm not asking him to apologize -- just to say, "hey I got caught up in the moment and it was definitely not the best decision in hindsight. The good news is that it worked out!"

 

Just because he usually makes the correct moves doesn't mean that he's immune from us saying wtf that was not the best call.

[Derwood]

Maddon apologizing would accomplish exactly nothing. A completely pointless gesture

[David]

where the hell did this apology strawman come from?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

where the hell did this apology strawman come from?

I believe it was last page when David said, wait a minute...

Edited December 16, 2016 by Ding Dong Johnson

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not asking him to apologize -- just to say, "hey I got caught up in the moment and it was definitely not the best decision in hindsight. The good news is that it worked out!"

 

Just because he usually makes the correct moves doesn't mean that he's immune from us saying wtf that was not the best call.

 

But why?

 

What is the point of making that statement? What will that accomplish?

[jersey cubs fan]

where the hell did this apology strawman come from?

I believe it was last page when David said, wait a minute...

davell and david talking apologies but there is also the ever present little slide rooter quote in my signature

[Sammy Sofa]

"Who cares if it was a stupid decision? It worked!"

 

is some Dusty level horsefeathers.

 

no, no it isn't.

 

Dusty made stupid decisions repeatedly, in every series in every season, in nearly every game. His entire thought process was flawed garbage.

 

Maddon gets it, and gets it done. He does things the right way much more than most.

 

He did something stupid in that moment but the Cubs won and it should not and will not define him.

 

There is no good [expletive] reason why he should be out there apologizing for anything.

I'm not asking him to apologize -- just to say, "hey I got caught up in the moment and it was definitely not the best decision in hindsight. The good news is that it worked out!"

 

Just because he usually makes the correct moves doesn't mean that he's immune from us saying wtf that was not the best call.

 

This sounds kinda BFIB-ish...

[mikeyt34]

Maddon's good decisons out weighed his bad during the post season which is really all you can hope for during an extended playoff run. I'd still take Maddon over any manager in the league right now for this team, the way it's constructed, and the personalities on the roster. I can't think of anyone else I'd rather have so we should keep his decision making in perspective and look at the bigger picture.

[CubinNY]

Maddon's good decisons out weighed his bad during the post season which is really all you can hope for during an extended playoff run. I'd still take Maddon over any manager in the league right now for this team, the way it's constructed, and the personalities on the roster. I can't think of anyone else I'd rather have so we should keep his decision making in perspective and look at the bigger picture.

They only outweighed them because the talent was able to overcome the terrible decisions. He should not apologize because it's stupid to apologize.

 

His managing was so out of character for him I do not except it will happen again. I have no idea what happened.

 

Chapman was asked a question and he answered it truthfully.i don't think he was disparaging Joe. He said it's not his decision to make and he needs to be ready to go.

 

Move on.

[soccer10k]

That Maddon interview was a long interview, and he only acknowledged two mistakes. He didn't have a reliever up in game 6 in case the Cubs pushed the lead from 5 to even more.

 

Am I remembering correctly that even after they took the big lead, the Cubs STILL didn't get somebody up right away? And I want to say the next guy walked, and even during that whole at-bat they didn't have somebody get up. I apologize if my memory is spreading misinformation.

 

It took at least a couple minutes for them to get somebody up in the pen. It should have been instantaneous though and it certainly wasn't.

[nobull]

 

i would just prefer he give a normal honest answer like a cool human being would

 

is there something wrong with that?

a normal honest answer is to not admit you horsefeathers up in the world series win

 

what

 

are you saying mistakes aren't mistakes as long as the outcome is good or what are you saying

It is the cowards approach to life.

[nobull]

 

i would just prefer he give a normal honest answer like a cool human being would

 

is there something wrong with that?

a normal honest answer is to not admit you horsefeathers up in the world series win

 

what

 

are you saying mistakes aren't mistakes as long as the outcome is good or what are you saying

It is the cowards approach to life.