Cubs trading Soler to KC for Wade Davis

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This is just crazy. Giving up more than Soler for one year of a reliever with arm problems that restricted him to 40 innings last year would be horrendous.

 

If Davis is considered truly healthy, he'll command more than Soler. Soler just doesn't have much value. If Davis is sold off as a risk, Soler is enough.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Soler has more value than many think. Yes, he has only produced 1.5 fWAR, but he has only accrued just over a season's worth of PA. He has a ton of potential,and he has performed well in the postseason. He has been inconsistent in the regular season, but has had poor luck with regard to the timing of his injuries. No, the injuries are not a selling point, but I think the case could be made that Jorge has been the victim of some bad luck. Plus he's still hugely talented.

 

I don't think that Jorge has a future with the Cubs, but I think he would be better used as an add-on piece in a larger deal.

 

My gut feeling here is that Jorge is just as likely to break out a bit next year as Davis is to make through the season without his elbow exploding.

 

i take 'at bet. damn good bet

[KrisBryantisaBeast]

 

This is just crazy. Giving up more than Soler for one year of a reliever with arm problems that restricted him to 40 innings last year would be horrendous.

 

If Davis is considered truly healthy, he'll command more than Soler. Soler just doesn't have much value. If Davis is sold off as a risk, Soler is enough.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Soler has more value than many think. Yes, he has only produced 1.5 fWAR, but he has only accrued just over a season's worth of PA. He has a ton of potential,and he has performed well in the postseason. He has been inconsistent in the regular season, but has had poor luck with regard to the timing of his injuries. No, the injuries are not a selling point, but I think the case could be made that Jorge has been the victim of some bad luck. Plus he's still hugely talented.

 

I don't think that Jorge has a future with the Cubs, but I think he would be better used as an add-on piece in a larger deal.

 

My gut feeling here is that Jorge is just as likely to break out a bit next year as Davis is to make through the season without his elbow exploding.

 

I think the odds are that Soler is more over valued by this board then he is undervalued.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

 

This is just crazy. Giving up more than Soler for one year of a reliever with arm problems that restricted him to 40 innings last year would be horrendous.

 

If Davis is considered truly healthy, he'll command more than Soler. Soler just doesn't have much value. If Davis is sold off as a risk, Soler is enough.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Soler has more value than many think. Yes, he has only produced 1.5 fWAR, but he has only accrued just over a season's worth of PA. He has a ton of potential,and he has performed well in the postseason. He has been inconsistent in the regular season, but has had poor luck with regard to the timing of his injuries. No, the injuries are not a selling point, but I think the case could be made that Jorge has been the victim of some bad luck. Plus he's still hugely talented.

 

I don't know about bad luck, my friend. I just think he can't stay healthy. Even his relatively short minor league stint has some DL stays.

 

June 18, 2013 Daytona Cubs placed RF Jorge Soler on the 7-day disabled list.

 

April 4, 2014 Tennessee Smokies placed RF Jorge Soler on the 7-day disabled list.

 

May 22, 2014 Tennessee Smokies placed RF Jorge Soler on the 7-day disabled list. strained right hamstring

 

Since joining the Majors, he also has been on the DL with a left ankle sprain, an oblique strain and a left hamstring.

 

I mean, Jorge has missed a ton of games. And he gets hurt every year. And he gets hurt even in part-time roles. I have no confidence that he can stay healthy, and I'd imagine it's tough to get great value for a guy when every team out there also can see the chunks of time the dude misses.

[Thusly Boned]

 

If Davis is considered truly healthy, he'll command more than Soler. Soler just doesn't have much value. If Davis is sold off as a risk, Soler is enough.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Soler has more value than many think. Yes, he has only produced 1.5 fWAR, but he has only accrued just over a season's worth of PA. He has a ton of potential,and he has performed well in the postseason. He has been inconsistent in the regular season, but has had poor luck with regard to the timing of his injuries. No, the injuries are not a selling point, but I think the case could be made that Jorge has been the victim of some bad luck. Plus he's still hugely talented.

 

I don't think that Jorge has a future with the Cubs, but I think he would be better used as an add-on piece in a larger deal.

 

My gut feeling here is that Jorge is just as likely to break out a bit next year as Davis is to make through the season without his elbow exploding.

 

 

 

I think the odds are that Soler is more over valued by this board then he is undervalued.

On balance, I think the board probably values him right about where he should be. Some are too high, just as many are too low.

 

I just think he'd have value to the right team. That said, the bulk of my trepidation over this potential deal is based on Davis' health.

[Thusly Boned]

 

If Davis is considered truly healthy, he'll command more than Soler. Soler just doesn't have much value. If Davis is sold off as a risk, Soler is enough.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Soler has more value than many think. Yes, he has only produced 1.5 fWAR, but he has only accrued just over a season's worth of PA. He has a ton of potential,and he has performed well in the postseason. He has been inconsistent in the regular season, but has had poor luck with regard to the timing of his injuries. No, the injuries are not a selling point, but I think the case could be made that Jorge has been the victim of some bad luck. Plus he's still hugely talented.

 

I don't know about bad luck, my friend. I just think he can't stay healthy. Even his relatively short minor league stint has some DL stays.

 

June 18, 2013 Daytona Cubs placed RF Jorge Soler on the 7-day disabled list.

 

April 4, 2014 Tennessee Smokies placed RF Jorge Soler on the 7-day disabled list.

 

May 22, 2014 Tennessee Smokies placed RF Jorge Soler on the 7-day disabled list. strained right hamstring

 

Since joining the Majors, he also has been on the DL with a left ankle sprain, an oblique strain and a left hamstring.

 

I mean, Jorge has missed a ton of games. And he gets hurt every year. And he gets hurt even in part-time roles. I have no confidence that he can stay healthy, and I'd imagine it's tough to get great value for a guy when every team out there also can see the chunks of time the dude misses.

 

No doubt he is injury prone, but that risk would be mitigated quite a bit by a trade to an AL team. The "bad luck" I was referring to is more the timing of the injuries than the injuries themselves.

 

Again, I don't see Jorge flourishing with the Cubs. But I could see him experiencing some success in a place like Texas (who I think we could probably get a bit out of).

[ConstableRabbit]

I don't think the Cubs FO of anyone would trade for Davis if they felt his arm was going to explode.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Soler has more value than many think. Yes, he has only produced 1.5 fWAR, but he has only accrued just over a season's worth of PA. He has a ton of potential,and he has performed well in the postseason. He has been inconsistent in the regular season, but has had poor luck with regard to the timing of his injuries. No, the injuries are not a selling point, but I think the case could be made that Jorge has been the victim of some bad luck. Plus he's still hugely talented.

 

I don't know about bad luck, my friend. I just think he can't stay healthy. Even his relatively short minor league stint has some DL stays.

 

June 18, 2013 Daytona Cubs placed RF Jorge Soler on the 7-day disabled list.

 

April 4, 2014 Tennessee Smokies placed RF Jorge Soler on the 7-day disabled list.

 

May 22, 2014 Tennessee Smokies placed RF Jorge Soler on the 7-day disabled list. strained right hamstring

 

Since joining the Majors, he also has been on the DL with a left ankle sprain, an oblique strain and a left hamstring.

 

I mean, Jorge has missed a ton of games. And he gets hurt every year. And he gets hurt even in part-time roles. I have no confidence that he can stay healthy, and I'd imagine it's tough to get great value for a guy when every team out there also can see the chunks of time the dude misses.

 

No doubt he is injury prone, but that risk would be mitigated quite a bit by a trade to an AL team. The "bad luck" I was referring to is more the timing of the injuries than the injuries themselves.

 

Again, I don't see Jorge flourishing with the Cubs. But I could see him experiencing some success in a place like Texas (who I think we could probably get a bit out of).

 

Agreed. If he can go to the AL and DH, he might be able tap into his potential.

 

No way if he is traded to the Royals that they want him playing in that outfield.

[Thusly Boned]

I don't think the Cubs FO of anyone would trade for Davis if they felt his arm was going to explode.

 

No, but evaluating these things is an inexact science. That said, when I hear "elbow" when talking about a pitcher, I get a little too anxious.

[davell]

I'm trying to look further than a one for one here, since we're using one of our chips on a bullpen guy and we're looking for starters to stash in AAA for help during the season.....

 

They've got guys that fit this bill.....

 

Miguel Almonte has been awful for a few years now. Throws very hard, comes with former top 100 pedigree.

 

Brian Flynn is a giant lefty that came out of the pen last year, but has been a starter. Fairly intriguing honestly.

 

Kyle Zimmer- if they'd throw him in, he's hurt all the time, but his upside has to still be something.....

 

Josh Staumont- Throws REALLY hard. If he's a starter, there's big, big upside.

 

Matt Strahm- I'd love to acquire him, just don't see why they'd deal him.

 

Eric Skoglund- Giant lefty, knows how to pitch. This is my guess at who we'd target in a deal with Davis.

 

Alec Mills and Jake Junis- these guys look like slightly better than Dallas Beeler type depth.

 

At any rate, my guess is if this gets done, its not a one for one and we're getting at least one guy off this list.

 

Edit- Of course, Levine just said its a one for one lol. Still, who knows?

[KrisBryantisaBeast]

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Soler has more value than many think. Yes, he has only produced 1.5 fWAR, but he has only accrued just over a season's worth of PA. He has a ton of potential,and he has performed well in the postseason. He has been inconsistent in the regular season, but has had poor luck with regard to the timing of his injuries. No, the injuries are not a selling point, but I think the case could be made that Jorge has been the victim of some bad luck. Plus he's still hugely talented.

 

I don't think that Jorge has a future with the Cubs, but I think he would be better used as an add-on piece in a larger deal.

 

My gut feeling here is that Jorge is just as likely to break out a bit next year as Davis is to make through the season without his elbow exploding.

 

 

 

I think the odds are that Soler is more over valued by this board then he is undervalued.

On balance, I think the board probably values him right about where he should be. Some are too high, just as many are too low.

 

I just think he'd have value to the right team. That said, the bulk of my trepidation over this potential deal is based on Davis' health.

 

He does have value that's why the Royals are willing to give up a top of the line closer for him. Yes Davis only has 1 year left on his contract and has some injury concerns of his own but he has an established track record of excellence. We are trading from an area of strength to shore up an area of weakness. The Royals are doing the same so I think its a fair trade for both teams.

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Well the bullpen has a chance to be elite and the best in MLB, it isn't likely all of Davis, Rondon, Strop, Grimm and Edwards stay healthy but there's depth and high, high level upside. Hopefully we can find another starter, though dealing Soler hurts that a bit in terms of assets to move (even though it lengthens the bullpen which helps the rotation).

 

Still want to find someone to add to the rotation to move Monty back to the pen/be the swingman/6th starter/at least compete for the 5 spot in the rotation, along with another lower level bullpen/swingman/injury gamble type add in FA and hold out whatever little glimmer of hope Fowler falls back into our laps.

[MarkR]

I'm excited about this. Soler is the guy who will absolutely tantalize and tease you with his talent. He's immensely talented, but way too injury prone and completely blocked in the corners for the foreseeable future. I understand that giving him up means an opportunity may go away for a young, cost controlled starter, but don't you think Theo and Jed would have done it by now if the deal presented itself to them and it made sense?

[MarkR]

I'm excited about this. Soler is the guy who will absolutely tantalize and tease you with his talent. He's immensely talented, but way too injury prone and completely blocked in the corners for the foreseeable future. I understand that giving him up means an opportunity may go away for a young, cost controlled starter, but don't you think Theo and Jed would have done it by now if the deal presented itself to them and it made sense?

[Elrhino]

This is very much like the Vogelbach trade to me, Soler has value but only for AL teams that have a specific need for DH. That was always going to limit his trade market. Cubs are looking for specific current roster upgrades for another World Series run in 2017, and Davis exactly fits the bill. The Cubs maxed whatever value Soler had under those stipulations. I am not comfortable allocating $70 million to a reliever, but more than okay allocating a 5th or 6th outfielder. Edited December 7, 2016 by Elrhino

[Little Slide Rooter]

I don't love this. I don't hate it, but I don't love it. Soler has yet to break out his "monster tools" but he was never given the chance. It feels like selling low, but another mediocre, injury shortened year could reduce his trade value. I feel we could have packaged him for someone like Archer, Odirrizi, or Teheran, but then again, if they could have, they probabaly would have.

 

And then there's the emotional aspect. The overly drawn out saga that was the Soler courting and ultimate signing was the first big and exciting move to come from the new regime; a sure thing cornerstone at the time. Of course then, Anthony Rizzo was beating up PCL pitching and nobody knew what a Kris Bryant or a Kyle Schwarber was.

 

Long story short- In a dark and dismal time, Soler represented the promise of things to come. And now that they're here, although his role has been minor, it will still be a somewhat sorrowful goodbye.

[Tim]

If Davis is healthy, I'm happy enough with this. Now I kind of want to sign Holland, also, to have 2/3 of the pen that got KC to the world series.

[muntjack]

Just going on record here. I hate this.

[MarkR]

I don't love this. I don't hate it, but I don't love it. Soler has yet to break out his "monster tools" but he was never given the chance. It feels like selling low, but another mediocre, injury shortened year could reduce his trade value. I feel we could have packaged him for someone like Archer, Odirrizi, or Teheran, but then again, if they could have, they probabaly would have.

 

And then there's the emotional aspect. The overly drawn out saga that was the Soler courting and ultimate signing was the first big and exciting move to come from the new regime; a sure thing cornerstone at the time. Of course then, Anthony Rizzo was beating up PCL pitching and nobody knew what a Kris Bryant or a Kyle Schwarber was.

 

Long story short- In a dark and dismal time, Soler represented the promise of things to come. And now that they're here, although his role has been minor, it will still be a somewhat sorrowful goodbye.

 

I'm not sure you can really make a case for "he was never given a chance" when he's been consistently hurt. I have no doubt that the Cubs wanted him to play more both in 15 and 16, but he's been hurt too frequently. Now he's been displaced and pushed aside AND he's bringing in a potentially elite threat at one of our biggest positions of need. Yes, there's injury concerns with Davis, but the high upside nature that he brings to the back end of the bullpen is a great weapon for us to have going into next season.

[David]

Trying to make myself feel better about this by watching this

 

[champaignchris]

I'm not objective about this since I've never loved Soler and Davis is (was?) one of my favorite non-Cubs.

 

We're trading our fourth or fifth outfielder for what will be our best bullpen arm. Yeah, Davis only pitched 45 innings last year, but Soler missed two months of the season, too. Really, Davis just needs to be healthy come playoff time.

[Elrhino]

With our glut of corner outfield options, all better than Soler, he was never going to be given a chance to really improve his trade value than what it is currently. Edited December 7, 2016 by Elrhino

[davell]

If Davis is healthy, I'm happy enough with this. Now I kind of want to sign Holland, also, to have 2/3 of the pen that got KC to the world series.

 

If this gets done, its time to sign Kenley and just throw poop at the rest of the league.

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Not as hard to find when there are at least a couple of them available as free agents currently though.