The Bryce is Right, Bitch

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Edit: n/m, should probably not call tim a turd Edited November 4, 2018 by Hairyducked Idiot

[Tim]

That crowd got real quiet, real fast.

 

Ballgame.

Wrong thread?

[Cubswin11]

I’m willing to give the benefit of doubt here that they’ll spend in the end because they’ve proven to be willing to spend the last ~5 years. These articles of the last ~48 hours aren’t going to change my opinion until we get more solid info since up until then their actions and other articles, tweets, etc. written over a longer period went against this. Edited November 4, 2018 by Cubswin11

[Derwood]

Make sure to keep jacking up the ticket prices, too, you ridiculous cockheaded horsefeathers.

 

Oh, but it'll be so horsefeathering great to look at the stupid hotel and the triangle building and whatever the horsefeathers David loves to post about instead of talking about actual baseball.

 

PREPARE TO UNLEASH RAGE AND DESTROY THE RICH.

 

In a few seasons, SSR will be sitting alone in his $25,000 upper deck reserved seat

[jersey cubs fan]

It would really suck if the Cubs aren’t serious suitors for Harper. He sure seems like the prime example of the type of free agent that Theo has regularly talked about. But I guess if the money’s not there, it’s not there.

the money is there. They have plenty of money, and they got even more with the absurd tax cuts. Choosing not to spend on talent isn't the same thing as money not being there.

[Cubswin11]

Anybody know how much the Ricketts spent/borrowed for all the renovations and developments? Even a rough guess? I’m seeing $375 million from some old articles about just renovations but nothing overly recent or if that ended up actually costing more and that doesn’t include the other things they’ve put money in around Wrigley for other projects. Obviously they did those things to one day make money (if they aren’t already seeing a payback). It still isn’t an excuse because the money is there regardless to sign Bryce, just more curios than anything.

[Sammy Sofa]

My guess is something changed with the TV deal projections. horsefeathering greedy scum.

[UMFan83]

theo seems to do better when his back is to the wall and he has to get creative anyways

 

(If I say it out loud it has to be true)

[Cubswin11]

My guess is something changed with the TV deal projections. horsefeathering greedy scum.

That would be my guess too if these reports are true about money being tight. They realized they’re getting less and adjusted the budget/projections accordingly. Which sucks because the money is still there if they wanted it to be and also because we missed out on that bubble to take advantage of. I think Clown Kenney was overseeing the TV stuff.

[Cubswin11]

theo seems to do better when his back is to the wall and he has to get creative anyways

 

(If I say it out loud it has to be true)

GM meetings are this week, so we should be getting some Theo and Jed interviews and quotes within the next 2-3 days. They’ll be vague comments in all likelihood but hopefully we’re able to get some better clarity on all this whenever we start hearing and seeing stuff from them.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Every November we hear variations on ‘boy I don’t know, we’ll have to see if there’s room in the budget, we’ll have to be smart with our spending’, and then every year they end up with a Lester, a Heyward, a Darvish. Again, the most salient bit of information we have this offseason is that the front office(who has made not so subtle allusions to pursuing Harper on multiple occasions) knows what they have to work with and chose to give Hamels 20 million. Does it make more sense for a suddenly cash-strapped front office to do that, or does it make more sense that they’re signaling conservatism in the first hours of free agency like most teams and especially this team typically does?

 

 

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[Cubswin11]

Every November we hear variations on ‘boy I don’t know, we’ll have to see if there’s room in the budget, we’ll have to be smart with our spending’, and then every year they end up with a Lester, a Heyward, a Darvish. Again, the most salient bit of information we have this offseason is that the front office(who has made not so subtle allusions to pursuing Harper on multiple occasions) knows what they have to work with and chose to give Hamels 20 million. Does it make more sense for a suddenly cash-strapped front office to do that, or does it make more sense that they’re signaling conservatism in the first hours of free agency like most teams and especially this team typically does?

 

 

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Yeah I still mostly think this is the case (obviously I want this to be true vs them not spending) but this is the same stuff we see every offseason with teams posturing and outside of the last ~48 hours goes against almost everything we’ve heard for a much longer time.

 

Also the idea the Cubs are doing this to brace the fans for disappointment or gauge their reaction if they don’t sign Harper/Machado seems a little narcissistic by fans/media. I don’t think the Cubs, or any sports team, cares that much about their fans to do that.

 

The Braves GM has some quotes this weekend about being unsure of ever committing to 10+ year deals and them not making sense. Teams are just doing what they do to try and manipulate things.

Edited November 4, 2018 by Cubswin11

[Sammy Sofa]

knows what they have to work with and chose to give Hamels 20 million. Does it make more sense for a suddenly cash-strapped front office to do that

 

If they're deciding to gamble on the bats they have all clicking again and realizing (rightly) that their starting pitching is held together by Popsicle sticks and rubber bands, yes, it definitely makes sense.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

knows what they have to work with and chose to give Hamels 20 million. Does it make more sense for a suddenly cash-strapped front office to do that

 

If they're deciding to gamble on the bats they have all clicking again and realizing (rightly) that their starting pitching is held together by Popsicle sticks and rubber bands, yes, it definitely makes sense.

 

I still think it's also misleading to say they chose to give Hamels 20 million, without knowing if they really would have given him the $20 million without a coresponding move to save $7 million and really only make it a $13 million transaction.

 

I don't think there is any question the Cubs aren't broke. They can do one year deals for $13 million. But if they are trying to keep flexibility for future years, these are the kinds of moves you make.

[Cubswin11]

knows what they have to work with and chose to give Hamels 20 million. Does it make more sense for a suddenly cash-strapped front office to do that

 

If they're deciding to gamble on the bats they have all clicking again and realizing (rightly) that their starting pitching is held together by Popsicle sticks and rubber bands, yes, it definitely makes sense.

 

I still think it's also misleading to say they chose to give Hamels 20 million, without knowing if they really would have given him the $20 million without a coresponding move to save $7 million and really only make it a $13 million transaction.

 

I don't think there is any question the Cubs aren't broke. They can do one year deals for $13 million. But if they are trying to keep flexibility for future years, these are the kinds of moves you make.

What would we be trying to stay flexible for though? If you have money (we do) you stay flexible for when a guy like Bryce hits FA

[Sammy Sofa]

 

If they're deciding to gamble on the bats they have all clicking again and realizing (rightly) that their starting pitching is held together by Popsicle sticks and rubber bands, yes, it definitely makes sense.

 

I still think it's also misleading to say they chose to give Hamels 20 million, without knowing if they really would have given him the $20 million without a coresponding move to save $7 million and really only make it a $13 million transaction.

 

I don't think there is any question the Cubs aren't broke. They can do one year deals for $13 million. But if they are trying to keep flexibility for future years, these are the kinds of moves you make.

What would we be trying to stay flexible for though? If you have money (we do) you stay flexible for when a guy like Bryce hits FA

 

Maybe they'd rather stick with extending the guys they already have, figuring it won't cost them as much and is an easy way to please plenty of fans even if they suck. Who the horsefeathers knows; they're monsters.

[Cubswin11]

Paul Sullivan seems to have been the most shut off from info since Theo got here amongst the beat guys. So maybe he wasn’t in on the coordinated leaks by the Cubs to manipulate the media. He paints a better picture here than what we’ve seen from everyone else.

 

Edited November 5, 2018 by Cubswin11

[Sammy Sofa]

but I will, of course, stay tuned!

 

Me too.

 

[davell]

Next year's class is the following position players.....

 

Goldy-32

Gennett-30

Bogaerts-27

Gregorius-30

Arenado-29

Rendon-30

Ozuna-29

Hicks-30

Castellanos-28

Puig-29

 

And MAYBE JD opts out of 3/62 at age 32......

 

 

So, what the horsefeathers are we waiting on? You don't get chances at guys like Bryce or Manny often. And if you hold off, you've got THIS group, which doesn't compare to either of those 2 guys. (Maybe Arenado, but I doubt we'd ask KB to change positions, unless we don't plan on keeping him)

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Next year's class is the following position players.....

 

Goldy-32

Gennett-30

Bogaerts-27

Gregorius-30

Arenado-29

Rendon-30

Ozuna-29

Hicks-30

Castellanos-28

Puig-29

 

And MAYBE JD opts out of 3/62 at age 32......

 

 

So, what the horsefeathers are we waiting on? You don't get chances at guys like Bryce or Manny often. And if you hold off, you've got THIS group, which doesn't compare to either of those 2 guys. (Maybe Arenado, but I doubt we'd ask KB to change positions, unless we don't plan on keeping him)

 

Just curious, what does the next class look like?

[Derwood]

It's going to be really lame when Harper and Machado sign with boring ass teams like Atlanta and Philadelphia

[Clem Fandango]

Next year's class is the following position players.....

 

Goldy-32

Gennett-30

Bogaerts-27

Gregorius-30

Arenado-29

Rendon-30

Ozuna-29

Hicks-30

Castellanos-28

Puig-29

 

And MAYBE JD opts out of 3/62 at age 32......

 

 

So, what the horsefeathers are we waiting on? You don't get chances at guys like Bryce or Manny often. And if you hold off, you've got THIS group, which doesn't compare to either of those 2 guys. (Maybe Arenado, but I doubt we'd ask KB to change positions, unless we don't plan on keeping him)

 

Just curious, what does the next class look like?

 

Most notable names that matter:

 

Mike Trout

Mookie Betts

George Springer

 

EDIT: Springer will be on the wrong side of 30 then. He won't matter.

 

That's it.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/2021/

[imb]

Whoever pays arenado will regret it

[Cubswin11]

Whoever pays arenado will regret it

Agree, especially because he’ll probably be looking for whatever Manny gets as his comp (he won’t get that but that’s probably going to be his rough starting point) and end up at 6-8 years for ~$25 mil aav.

[Cubswin11]

 

“Position of depth” I’d assume means Kintzler and Duensing which shouldn’t take a ton to move. Catatini, Maples, Mekkes, etc types attached to either should be enough