The Bryce is Right, Bitch

[Bryants Disco Ball]

The only thing I remotely care about with a Bryce opt out(s) is that it's staggered around the offseason we could lose multiple of KB, Javy and Rizzo (I think 2, if not all 3 can be the FA the same year) and I wouldn't want an offseason where we lost and had to make up that much talent. I think this is the 2022 offseason, iirc.

 

I remain convinced in my own mind that if the Cubs land Harper, his first opt out will indeed be the KB free agent year. If he is coming here in part because of KB, he very well might want the option to be free if his best friend should sign elsewhere.

[Cubswin11]

The only thing I remotely care about with a Bryce opt out(s) is that it's staggered around the offseason we could lose multiple of KB, Javy and Rizzo (I think 2, if not all 3 can be the FA the same year) and I wouldn't want an offseason where we lost and had to make up that much talent. I think this is the 2022 offseason, iirc.

 

I remain convinced in my own mind that if the Cubs land Harper, his first opt out will indeed be the KB free agent year. If he is coming here in part because of KB, he very well might want the option to be free if his best friend should sign elsewhere.

He should tell his friend to sign a [expletive] extension then

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The majority of the Bleacher Nation twitter feed is people saying they'd pass on Harper. It drives me up the every loving wall. The Ricketts family are billionaires making 10s of millions of dollars quarterly. They own an entire block of buildings in the third largest city and are launching their own TV network. They can afford to Harper and pay the luxury tax for a few years.

 

Those were the same people who didn't want to try to compete in 2016 because the *real* window wouldn't open up until 2020 or something.

[Backtobanks]

The majority of the Bleacher Nation twitter feed is people saying they'd pass on Harper. It drives me up the every loving wall. The Ricketts family are billionaires making 10s of millions of dollars quarterly. They own an entire block of buildings in the third largest city and are launching their own TV network. They can afford to Harper and pay the luxury tax for a few years.

 

The problem is that the Ricketts family won't be paying it, all of us Cub fans will be paying it through $200 seats, $15 beers, $10 hot dogs, and an extra $30 a month to add their network to your cable package. Everybody knows that a billionaire didn't get rich by eating the cost of an expensive asset, they just pass it along to the consumers.

[jersey cubs fan]

The problem is that the Ricketts family won't be paying it, all of us Cub fans will be paying it through $200 seats, $15 beers, $10 hot dogs, and an extra $30 a month to add their network to your cable package. Everybody knows that a billionaire didn't get rich by eating the cost of an expensive asset, they just pass it along to the consumers.

well the good news is if they don't sign him they will pass on the savings to you

[Cubswin11]

The problem is that the Ricketts family won't be paying it, all of us Cub fans will be paying it through $200 seats, $15 beers, $10 hot dogs, and an extra $30 a month to add their network to your cable package. Everybody knows that a billionaire didn't get rich by eating the cost of an expensive asset, they just pass it along to the consumers.

well the good news is if they don't sign him they will pass on the savings to you

I expect $100 bills being handed out at the gates this year when I scan my ticket if they don’t sign Bryce.

[davell]

The majority of the Bleacher Nation twitter feed is people saying they'd pass on Harper. It drives me up the every loving wall. The Ricketts family are billionaires making 10s of millions of dollars quarterly. They own an entire block of buildings in the third largest city and are launching their own TV network. They can afford to Harper and pay the luxury tax for a few years.

 

The problem is that the Ricketts family won't be paying it, all of us Cub fans will be paying it through $200 seats, $15 beers, $10 hot dogs, and an extra $30 a month to add their network to your cable package. Everybody knows that a billionaire didn't get rich by eating the cost of an expensive asset, they just pass it along to the consumers.

 

Just curious, is there anything you're ever happy about, Cubs related? Because you disappeared during 2016.....

Edited October 24, 2018 by davell

[Sammy Sofa]

The majority of the Bleacher Nation twitter feed is people saying they'd pass on Harper. It drives me up the every loving wall. The Ricketts family are billionaires making 10s of millions of dollars quarterly. They own an entire block of buildings in the third largest city and are launching their own TV network. They can afford to Harper and pay the luxury tax for a few years.

 

The problem is that the Ricketts family won't be paying it, all of us Cub fans will be paying it through $200 seats, $15 beers, $10 hot dogs, and an extra $30 a month to add their network to your cable package. Everybody knows that a billionaire didn't get rich by eating the cost of an expensive asset, they just pass it along to the consumers.

 

You're right; it would be terrible if going to a Cubs game turns into a stupidly expensive thi-OH WAIT.

[Gmoney08]

The majority of the Bleacher Nation twitter feed is people saying they'd pass on Harper. It drives me up the every loving wall. The Ricketts family are billionaires making 10s of millions of dollars quarterly. They own an entire block of buildings in the third largest city and are launching their own TV network. They can afford to Harper and pay the luxury tax for a few years.

 

The problem is that the Ricketts family won't be paying it, all of us Cub fans will be paying it through $200 seats, $15 beers, $10 hot dogs, and an extra $30 a month to add their network to your cable package. Everybody knows that a billionaire didn't get rich by eating the cost of an expensive asset, they just pass it along to the consumers.

 

Ill buy wagyu hotdogs to see the Super Cubs of 2016 through multiple seasons.

 

Granted im a freak and would give a year or two in prison to for floor seats to the 90s Jordan Bulls too.

[SouthSideRyan]

give bryce whatever opt out he wants.

 

oh no he was so good that he outperformed his $40 million a year and now can get more, thanks for the excess value bryce

 

I'm really glad that Dave Cameron works for the Padres now so I don't have to roll my eyes at every 'opt-outs only have downside for a team' mention that ignores that's how you get the player on your team in the first place.

 

Just hope Tim doesn't stop by this thread.

[Backtobanks]

The majority of the Bleacher Nation twitter feed is people saying they'd pass on Harper. It drives me up the every loving wall. The Ricketts family are billionaires making 10s of millions of dollars quarterly. They own an entire block of buildings in the third largest city and are launching their own TV network. They can afford to Harper and pay the luxury tax for a few years.

 

The problem is that the Ricketts family won't be paying it, all of us Cub fans will be paying it through $200 seats, $15 beers, $10 hot dogs, and an extra $30 a month to add their network to your cable package. Everybody knows that a billionaire didn't get rich by eating the cost of an expensive asset, they just pass it along to the consumers.

 

Just curious, is there anything you're ever happy about, Cubs related? Because you disappeared during 2016.....

 

 

I didn't disappear in 2016, I was celebrating just like all of the rest of the Cub fans.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

celebrating with wacky three ways no doubt

[gflore34]

If only for one season, I want a super Cubs team - sign both Machado and Harper - 2019 WS Cubs - Red Sox both having won 100+ games in the regular season games. Imagine the fun we'll have watching the Cubs bury the Brewers, Cardinals and the rest of the NL in 2019, want to say to my grand children - I was there in 1985 when the Bears crushed the NFL, in 1996 when the Bulls smoked the NBA, in 2013 (maybe 2010) when the Blackhawks devoured the NHL and 2019 when Cubs tossed MLB aside.

[David]

I wonder if pissed off guns blazing Theo has a pie in the sky ideal version of the offseason in his mind where he does get both, or if he's going in just trying to get one of the two (whichever of the two - Bryce - is prioritized).

[Cubswin11]

I wonder if pissed off guns blazing Theo has a pie in the sky ideal version of the offseason in his mind where he does get both, or if he's going in just trying to get one of the two (whichever of the two - Bryce - is prioritized).

Even if they plan to say FU to the LT this offseason I can’t see a scenario we could get both. If we do we’d be over the upper limits substantially until the CBA is done. Getting both would require moving Heyward and all of his contract I’d guess and that would be incredibly expensive to attach the appropriate players with him to get it done, if even possible.

[Wilson A2000]

What if I said that you could have a Bryce Harper-type of player for the next 5 years who plays RF at half the Harper price and wouldn’t have to give up anything for him? And you wouldn’t have to get into a long, 10 year contract.

 

That player is Jason Heyward. He essentially has the same WAR as Harper the last 6 years.

 

Now if you want to platoon Heyward in CF or move him to LF and trade for Harper, fine. But Harper is terribly overrated. Heyward has been as good in RF as Harper and Heyward has been bad the last 3 years.

[Cubswin11]

What if I said that you could have a Bryce Harper-type of player for the next 5 years who plays RF at half the Harper price and wouldn’t have to give up anything for him? And you wouldn’t have to get into a long, 10 year contract.

 

That player is Jason Heyward. He essentially has the same WAR as Harper the last 6 years.

 

Now if you want to platoon Heyward in CF or move him to LF and trade for Harper, fine. But Harper is terribly overrated. Heyward has been as good in RF as Harper and Heyward has been bad the last 3 years.

[Wilson A2000]

What if I said that you could have a Bryce Harper-type of player for the next 5 years who plays RF at half the Harper price and wouldn’t have to give up anything for him? And you wouldn’t have to get into a long, 10 year contract.

 

That player is Jason Heyward. He essentially has the same WAR as Harper the last 6 years.

 

Now if you want to platoon Heyward in CF or move him to LF and trade for Harper, fine. But Harper is terribly overrated. Heyward has been as good in RF as Harper and Heyward has been bad the last 3 years.

 

The Cubs have budgets. Aren’t going to be able to re-sign KB, Baez, Rizzo, and Contreras when you are significantly overpaying for a RF that you already have.

[davell]

What if I said that you could have a Bryce Harper-type of player for the next 5 years who plays RF at half the Harper price and wouldn’t have to give up anything for him? And you wouldn’t have to get into a long, 10 year contract.

 

That player is Jason Heyward. He essentially has the same WAR as Harper the last 6 years.

 

Now if you want to platoon Heyward in CF or move him to LF and trade for Harper, fine. But Harper is terribly overrated. Heyward has been as good in RF as Harper and Heyward has been bad the last 3 years.

 

 

They're not keeping all those guys. And there's much bigger of a window now, than 3-4 years from now.

[NonProfitCow]

What if I said that you could have a Bryce Harper-type of player for the next 5 years who plays RF at half the Harper price and wouldn’t have to give up anything for him? And you wouldn’t have to get into a long, 10 year contract.

 

That player is Jason Heyward. He essentially has the same WAR as Harper the last 6 years.

 

Now if you want to platoon Heyward in CF or move him to LF and trade for Harper, fine. But Harper is terribly overrated. Heyward has been as good in RF as Harper and Heyward has been bad the last 3 years.

[Wilson A2000]

What if I said that you could have a Bryce Harper-type of player for the next 5 years who plays RF at half the Harper price and wouldn’t have to give up anything for him? And you wouldn’t have to get into a long, 10 year contract.

 

That player is Jason Heyward. He essentially has the same WAR as Harper the last 6 years.

 

Now if you want to platoon Heyward in CF or move him to LF and trade for Harper, fine. But Harper is terribly overrated. Heyward has been as good in RF as Harper and Heyward has been bad the last 3 years.

 

 

They're not keeping all those guys. And there's much bigger of a window now, than 3-4 years from now.

 

You might want to keep all those guys because their replacements wont be as good. But you won’t because you are overpaying for a RF’s production because he has good hair or something.

[davell]

What if I said that you could have a Bryce Harper-type of player for the next 5 years who plays RF at half the Harper price and wouldn’t have to give up anything for him? And you wouldn’t have to get into a long, 10 year contract.

 

That player is Jason Heyward. He essentially has the same WAR as Harper the last 6 years.

 

Now if you want to platoon Heyward in CF or move him to LF and trade for Harper, fine. But Harper is terribly overrated. Heyward has been as good in RF as Harper and Heyward has been bad the last 3 years.

 

 

They're not keeping all those guys. And there's much bigger of a window now, than 3-4 years from now.

 

You might want to keep all those guys because their replacements wont be as good. But you won’t because you are overpaying for a RF’s production because he has good hair or something.

 

That's gonna get jumped on enough, so I'm going to try and respond from a baseball standpoint.....

 

Willy isn't a FA until he's 30 or so. You probably don't want to give a C a long term deal at that point. Rizzo will be older too. And 1B isn't hard to find production at, although my guess is they'll figure out a way to keep him.

 

And Javy can be kept, if he's still producing.

 

The Cubs have plenty of money and have 3-4 years to find some cheap guys at whatever spot they develop them at. They can certainly afford Bryce right now. And if you're insinuating he's not great, then I've got nothing to respond with, other than you're wrong. And you're getting him in his prime.

[Wilson A2000]

 

You might want to keep all those guys because their replacements wont be as good. But you won’t because you are overpaying for a RF’s production because he has good hair or something.

 

That's gonna get jumped on enough, so I'm going to try and respond from a baseball standpoint.....

 

Willy isn't a FA until he's 30 or so. You probably don't want to give a C a long term deal at that point. Rizzo will be older too. And 1B isn't hard to find production at, although my guess is they'll figure out a way to keep him.

 

And Javy can be kept, if he's still producing.

 

The Cubs have plenty of money and have 3-4 years to find some cheap guys at whatever spot they develop them at. They can certainly afford Bryce right now. And if you're insinuating he's not great, then I've got nothing to respond with, other than you're wrong. And you're getting him in his prime.

 

Is Heyward as great as Harper? The numbers say both players bring you the same wins. Pay for expected performance, sure. But why should we expect Harper to be significantly better than he has been? If the Cubs can afford to overspend and keep their great young core, great. But are the Cubs getting an upgrade in RF.

[Banedon]

Are we just going to ignore that he called Jason Heyward a "Bryce Harper type of player"?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Are we just going to ignore that he called Jason Heyward a "Bryce Harper type of player"?

yes, and that’s not all