Cubs offseason thread

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Schwarber isn't a terribly unreasonable ask if we're talking about Archer, but not one that's going to happen.

[Tryptamine]

Schwarber isn't a terribly unreasonable ask if we're talking about Archer, but not one that's going to happen.

 

For me Schwarber is the difference between this offense simply being good and becoming something special. With the loss of Fowler looming I wouldn't be willing to take a huge offensive downgrade like that.

[Gmoney08]

Schwarber isn't a terribly unreasonable ask if we're talking about Archer, but not one that's going to happen.

 

Sure the Rays need to ask but Theo isnt trading Schwarber for a pitcher turning 29 and struggled a ton last year.

[KingCubsFan]

Schwarber isn't a terribly unreasonable ask if we're talking about Archer, but not one that's going to happen.

The real question is whether Theo wants to push Javy plus the rest of our farm system. I think it's more likely he tries to trade Soler for a slightly better version of Montgomery.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Schwarber isn't a terribly unreasonable ask if we're talking about Archer, but not one that's going to happen.

The real question is whether Theo wants to push Javy plus the rest of our farm system. I think it's more likely he tries to trade Soler for a slightly better version of Montgomery.

 

Agreed. I've been talking myself into a deal for someone like Odorizzi or Bauer if they can avoid touching anyone better than Soler from the MLB team(and Eloy from the farm). Although they might be more willing to gamble on health if they're only giving up a Soler caliber lead piece, at which point names like Smyly, Manaea, or someone from Arizona(Ray? Corbin?) come into play.

[Tryptamine]

Schwarber isn't a terribly unreasonable ask if we're talking about Archer, but not one that's going to happen.

The real question is whether Theo wants to push Javy plus the rest of our farm system. I think it's more likely he tries to trade Soler for a slightly better version of Montgomery.

 

Agreed. I've been talking myself into a deal for someone like Odorizzi or Bauer if they can avoid touching anyone better than Soler from the MLB team(and Eloy from the farm). Although they might be more willing to gamble on health if they're only giving up a Soler caliber lead piece, at which point names like Smyly, Manaea, or someone from Arizona(Ray? Corbin?) come into play.

 

Manaea and Smyly would have to come relatively cheap given their injury histories. I'd love to see if Joe Ross was available from the Nationals. The rotation is already filled with Scherzer,Strasburg,Roark and Gio, not to mention Giolito,Lopez,Fedde and Cole all pushing for a spot.

[davell]

They've been rumored to be taking offers on Gonzalez. I seriously doubt they'd trade pitching(or anything really) that potentially makes us better. They're hunting us, making us potentially better just doesn't seem remotely likely.

 

And yeah, they've definitely got arms, but they're rumored in on Sale or Archer. So their excess would get eaten up with a trade for one of those guys.

[UMFan83]

lol Jim Bowden proposed this Cubs-Rays trade:

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/the-gms-office/insider/post?id=13396

 

Rays get 2B/OF Ian Happ, RF Jorge Soler, OF Albert Almora and RHP Carl Edwards.

 

Cubs get RHP Chris Archer, CF Kevin Kiermaier and RHP Alex Colome.

 

yes plz

[apete6]

lol Jim Bowden proposed this Cubs-Rays trade:

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/the-gms-office/insider/post?id=13396

 

Rays get 2B/OF Ian Happ, RF Jorge Soler, OF Albert Almora and RHP Carl Edwards.

 

Cubs get RHP Chris Archer, CF Kevin Kiermaier and RHP Alex Colome.

 

yes plz

 

Was just coming to post that. Sign me the horsefeathers up 7 days a week there. Kiermaier and Colome are basically equal to Almora/Edwards, so you're essentially getting Archer for Happ and Soler.

[davell]

lol Jim Bowden proposed this Cubs-Rays trade:

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/the-gms-office/insider/post?id=13396

 

Rays get 2B/OF Ian Happ, RF Jorge Soler, OF Albert Almora and RHP Carl Edwards.

 

Cubs get RHP Chris Archer, CF Kevin Kiermaier and RHP Alex Colome.

 

yes plz

 

Was just coming to post that. Sign me the horsefeathers up 7 days a week there. Kiermaier and Colome are basically equal to Almora/Edwards, so you're essentially getting Archer for Happ and Soler.

 

Um, in what world are Almora and Edwards equal to Kiermaier and Colome?

 

 

But yeah, that's one of the.worst trade proposals I've ever seen.

[Post Count Padder]

lol Jim Bowden proposed this Cubs-Rays trade:

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/the-gms-office/insider/post?id=13396

 

Rays get 2B/OF Ian Happ, RF Jorge Soler, OF Albert Almora and RHP Carl Edwards.

 

Cubs get RHP Chris Archer, CF Kevin Kiermaier and RHP Alex Colome.

 

yes plz

Lmao, I read the first part of that trade and was like "oh boy, what does that get us?" and then read the second part and nearly spit out my coffee. I do that trade all day every day. It really is too bad Bowden isn't still a GM.

[Tryptamine]

Apparently Buster Olney has heard that the White Sox will not be listening to any offers from the Cubs regarding Sale. I can't help but laugh because it's the most typical stereotypical thing a WSox fan would do only, but it's being done by their FO.

[Rob]

Apparently Buster Olney has heard that the White Sox will not be listening to any offers from the Cubs regarding Sale. I can't help but laugh because it's the most typical stereotypical thing a WSox fan would do only, but it's being done by their FO.

 

If that's true, I get this weird gut feeling we're about to see Billy Beane trade for Sale and then flip him to the Cubs.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The Sox more than maybe any other team have to be mindful of the damage they do to fan perception, that's a big part of why they futilely kept trying to string together 85 wins the last few years. With that in mind I get it, a rebuild is a big enough blow and to see their best player playing on the best team in baseball across town would be a big blow. I imagine that it's not true though, and even if it was it'd probably be a moot point since the Cubs aren't going to trade what's needed to get Sale.

[Gmoney08]

Apparently Buster Olney has heard that the White Sox will not be listening to any offers from the Cubs regarding Sale. I can't help but laugh because it's the most typical stereotypical thing a WSox fan would do only, but it's being done by their FO.

 

If that's true, I get this weird gut feeling we're about to see Billy Beane trade for Sale and then flip him to the Cubs.

 

That would be amazing.

[UMFan83]

The Sox more than maybe any other team have to be mindful of the damage they do to fan perception, that's a big part of why they futilely kept trying to string together 85 wins the last few years. With that in mind I get it, a rebuild is a big enough blow and to see their best player playing on the best team in baseball across town would be a big blow. I imagine that it's not true though, and even if it was it'd probably be a moot point since the Cubs aren't going to trade what's needed to get Sale.

 

I don't know, I'd think it'd be just as annoying to watch Cubs prospects we have salivated over for the past few years becoming stars down at the G-Spot. I realize this would probably be the worst time in the last however many years to trade their best player to the Cubs but at the end of the day making your team a winner is the most important thing. If the Sox think they can get better players from the Cubs than any other team, they need to make that deal.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Sox more than maybe any other team have to be mindful of the damage they do to fan perception, that's a big part of why they futilely kept trying to string together 85 wins the last few years. With that in mind I get it, a rebuild is a big enough blow and to see their best player playing on the best team in baseball across town would be a big blow. I imagine that it's not true though, and even if it was it'd probably be a moot point since the Cubs aren't going to trade what's needed to get Sale.

 

I don't know, I'd think it'd be just as annoying to watch Cubs prospects we have salivated over for the past few years becoming stars down at the G-Spot. I realize this would probably be the worst time in the last however many years to trade their best player to the Cubs but at the end of the day making your team a winner is the most important thing. If the Sox think they can get better players from the Cubs than any other team, they need to make that deal.

I haven't salivated over a prospect since Kris Bryant graduated, so I can live with it.

[Old Style]

Trade Miggy to the Rays?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Good job by that blog post for embedding the NLCS grand slam. My favorite broadcast call of the playoffs.

 

Bad job by that blog post not making the incredibly easy logical step to make Montero a part of a larger deal that has already been rumored for Odorizzi or Archer.

 

If Montero lowers the cost for Odorizzi or Archer, even if they have to pay some or all of his salary, that's great. There's not an easy fix to replace Montero, but that's a simpler problem to solve than getting a controllable SP.

[apete6]

lol Jim Bowden proposed this Cubs-Rays trade:

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/the-gms-office/insider/post?id=13396

 

 

 

yes plz

 

Was just coming to post that. Sign me the horsefeathers up 7 days a week there. Kiermaier and Colome are basically equal to Almora/Edwards, so you're essentially getting Archer for Happ and Soler.

 

Um, in what world are Almora and Edwards equal to Kiermaier and Colome?

 

 

But yeah, that's one of the.worst trade proposals I've ever seen.

 

In the world of future value and not being arbitration eligible.

[davell]

 

Was just coming to post that. Sign me the horsefeathers up 7 days a week there. Kiermaier and Colome are basically equal to Almora/Edwards, so you're essentially getting Archer for Happ and Soler.

 

Um, in what world are Almora and Edwards equal to Kiermaier and Colome?

 

 

But yeah, that's one of the.worst trade proposals I've ever seen.

 

In the world of future value and not being arbitration eligible.

 

Edwards and Colome? Sure, I can see that. But, I'm an Almora fan. And in no way, shape, or form do I think he's giving us 13 WAR in any 3 year period, like Kiermaier just has done. They'd want, rightfully so, much more than Almora for him.

[BigbadB]

The Sox more than maybe any other team have to be mindful of the damage they do to fan perception, that's a big part of why they futilely kept trying to string together 85 wins the last few years. With that in mind I get it, a rebuild is a big enough blow and to see their best player playing on the best team in baseball across town would be a big blow. I imagine that it's not true though, and even if it was it'd probably be a moot point since the Cubs aren't going to trade what's needed to get Sale.

 

I don't know, I'd think it'd be just as annoying to watch Cubs prospects we have salivated over for the past few years becoming stars down at the G-Spot. I realize this would probably be the worst time in the last however many years to trade their best player to the Cubs but at the end of the day making your team a winner is the most important thing. If the Sox think they can get better players from the Cubs than any other team, they need to make that deal.

 

The bigger problem isn't that they are unwilling to deal Sale across town, but that they are telling the world that they won't. That's just dumb. With as many trade suitors out there, the likelihood that he gets traded to the Cubs is low. A good GM says he will entertain all offers and make the deal that best fits the White Sox needs going forward.

[apete6]

 

Um, in what world are Almora and Edwards equal to Kiermaier and Colome?

 

 

But yeah, that's one of the.worst trade proposals I've ever seen.

 

In the world of future value and not being arbitration eligible.

 

Edwards and Colome? Sure, I can see that. But, I'm an Almora fan. And in no way, shape, or form do I think he's giving us 13 WAR in any 3 year period, like Kiermaier just has done. They'd want, rightfully so, much more than Almora for him.

 

Oh, on field value, if Almora ever gets those WAR numbers, I'd be surprised. I'm more thinking from the "our franchise has no money" perspective, but, yeah, that's probably still not enough value for Kiermaier.

[Banedon]

The Sox more than maybe any other team have to be mindful of the damage they do to fan perception, that's a big part of why they futilely kept trying to string together 85 wins the last few years. With that in mind I get it, a rebuild is a big enough blow and to see their best player playing on the best team in baseball across town would be a big blow. I imagine that it's not true though, and even if it was it'd probably be a moot point since the Cubs aren't going to trade what's needed to get Sale.

 

I don't know, I'd think it'd be just as annoying to watch Cubs prospects we have salivated over for the past few years becoming stars down at the G-Spot. I realize this would probably be the worst time in the last however many years to trade their best player to the Cubs but at the end of the day making your team a winner is the most important thing. If the Sox think they can get better players from the Cubs than any other team, they need to make that deal.

 

The bigger problem isn't that they are unwilling to deal Sale across town, but that they are telling the world that they won't. That's just dumb. With as many trade suitors out there, the likelihood that he gets traded to the Cubs is low. A good GM says he will entertain all offers and make the deal that best fits the White Sox needs going forward.

 

Not if the whole thing is a PR move. I mean, like TT said, the Cubs aren't gonna pay what the White Sox want. Maybe the Cubs have already told them as much. So by telling the media "we aren't gonna trade to the Cubs", all the Sox meatballs eat that up.

[davell]

 

In the world of future value and not being arbitration eligible.

 

Edwards and Colome? Sure, I can see that. But, I'm an Almora fan. And in no way, shape, or form do I think he's giving us 13 WAR in any 3 year period, like Kiermaier just has done. They'd want, rightfully so, much more than Almora for him.

 

Oh, on field value, if Almora ever gets those WAR numbers, I'd be surprised. I'm more thinking from the "our franchise has no money" perspective, but, yeah, that's probably still not enough value for Kiermaier.

 

Yeah, I get what you're saying. The Rays ARE a sad franchise. I honestly doubt we're even really interested in Kiermaier, tbh. I doubt his D is AS valuable at Wrigley as it is in some other places.