Cubs offseason thread

[BigbadB]

Good lord...looking through these contracts and I really kinda feel bad about how little we're paying these guys...

 

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-cubs/

 

Enjoy it while it lasts.

[SRQCub]

I don't know why they'd need Reddick. As it is, you need outfield spots for Zobrist and Schwarber. Schwarber LF, Heyward CF, Zobrist RF makes the most sense to me.

 

Zobrist isn't going to get 450 AB in 2017, I hope. Between a few starts in LF, a few at 2B and the majority of them in RF, let him play in 130 or so games. Reddick allows that to happen while also potentially giving Heyward some days off here and there.

 

Plus, with Soler and Almora going in a deal for Archer/Gray, we'll likely need to sign an OF this offseason. (I'd prefer it be Fowler, but Reddick will come at a lower cost.)

[jersey cubs fan]

Zobrist isn't going to get 450 AB in 2017, I hope.

 

why do you hope this? or are you just saying he'll get 200 walks? Because the guy is going to get 600+ PA if healthy.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Zobrist isn't going to get 450 AB in 2017, I hope. Between a few starts in LF, a few at 2B and the majority of them in RF, let him play in 130 or so games. Reddick allows that to happen while also potentially giving Heyward some days off here and there.

 

Plus, with Soler and Almora going in a deal for Archer/Gray, we'll likely need to sign an OF this offseason. (I'd prefer it be Fowler, but Reddick will come at a lower cost.)

 

I'm having trouble understanding your first paragraph, is that talking about Zobrist or Reddick?

 

More to the point, if they trade two outfielders then yes they'll probably want to add one. I'd put good odds against that happening though.

[Cubswin11]

Zobrist isn't going to get 450 AB in 2017, I hope.

 

why do you hope this? or are you just saying he'll get 200 walks? Because the guy is going to get 600+ PA if healthy.

Yeah, wtf. I get it's probably wise not to push it with Zobrist if they have the luxury. But no more than 450 abs!?! That's like 110-120 games. He should be playing 135-140 games as his floor. That's still plenty of rest.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Good lord...looking through these contracts and I really kinda feel bad about how little we're paying these guys...

 

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-cubs/

sort by the free agent column. it'll cheer you right back up

[Tim]

How the hell did we get Montgomery for Vogelbach?

[SRQCub]

Zobrist isn't going to get 450 AB in 2017, I hope.

 

why do you hope this? or are you just saying he'll get 200 walks? Because the guy is going to get 600+ PA if healthy.

Yeah, wtf. I get it's probably wise not to push it with Zobrist if they have the luxury. But no more than 450 abs!?! That's like 110-120 games. He should be playing 135-140 games as his floor. That's still plenty of rest.

 

He's averaged a whisker under 140 the past 3 seasons, and is going into his age 36 season. He struggled in the middle of the summer's hot months, and I wouldn't be opposed to giving him more rest during those months.

 

I'm not saying I'm married to the idea, but I wouldn't mind that move at all. Not in a vacuum, of course, but attached to the other two moves I mentioned.

 

(And 450 AB was probably on the low end. My bad.)

[SRQCub]

Zobrist isn't going to get 450 AB in 2017, I hope. Between a few starts in LF, a few at 2B and the majority of them in RF, let him play in 130 or so games. Reddick allows that to happen while also potentially giving Heyward some days off here and there.

 

Plus, with Soler and Almora going in a deal for Archer/Gray, we'll likely need to sign an OF this offseason. (I'd prefer it be Fowler, but Reddick will come at a lower cost.)

 

I'm having trouble understanding your first paragraph, is that talking about Zobrist or Reddick?

 

More to the point, if they trade two outfielders then yes they'll probably want to add one. I'd put good odds against that happening though.

 

Not sure what's difficult about it? It's clearly talking about both. The first half is talking about Zobrist, and the 2nd refers to the presence of Reddick making it feasible to give Ben days off.

 

Of course, I wrote the sentence, so it could just be that what's clear to me isn't always clear to others. Believe me, wouldn't be the first time.

[Brian]

Didn't realize that Rizzo's extension lined up with the core.

 

This is quite a free agent class for all of MLB let alone one team.

 

Rizzo

Bryant

Russell

Schwarber

Baez

 

Good thing that is 5 seasons away :lol:

Edited November 7, 2016 by Brian

[Ding Dong Johnson]

How the hell did we get Montgomery for Vogelbach?

[SRQCub]

Didn't realize that Rizzo's extension lined up with the core.

 

This is quite a free agent class for all of MLB let alone one team.

 

Rizzo

Bryant

Russell

Schwarber

Baez

 

Good thing that is 5 seasons away :lol:

 

Hopefully, Jed and Theo get some other extensions lined up in the meantime. Yikes.

[Clem Fandango]

Didn't realize that Rizzo's extension lined up with the core.

 

This is quite a free agent class for all of MLB let alone one team.

 

Rizzo

Bryant

Russell

Schwarber

Baez

 

Good thing that is 5 seasons away :lol:

 

I expect... I hope that we'll be able to remove Russell and Rizzo from that list. I think Russell is a lock for a long term extension. I don't know how Rizzo's skill set will translate into his 30's, but Rizzo just seems like a lifer to this team already. Having a guy who spends all but a smidge of his career with one team is almost impossible these days, but Rizzo seems like the type who could be that guy for us. I hope, anyways. Love that dude.

 

I don't expect Bryant to sign an extension because of Boras, so he'll probably need to be resigned in that FA period (which I think is very likely, provided his time in Chicago remains happy). Baez I expect to be gone. Schwarber I also expect to be traded eventually because of defensive limitations, but not for a 2 to 3 years at least.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Zobrist isn't going to get 450 AB in 2017, I hope. Between a few starts in LF, a few at 2B and the majority of them in RF, let him play in 130 or so games. Reddick allows that to happen while also potentially giving Heyward some days off here and there.

 

Plus, with Soler and Almora going in a deal for Archer/Gray, we'll likely need to sign an OF this offseason. (I'd prefer it be Fowler, but Reddick will come at a lower cost.)

 

I'm having trouble understanding your first paragraph, is that talking about Zobrist or Reddick?

 

More to the point, if they trade two outfielders then yes they'll probably want to add one. I'd put good odds against that happening though.

 

Not sure what's difficult about it? It's clearly talking about both. The first half is talking about Zobrist, and the 2nd refers to the presence of Reddick making it feasible to give Ben days off.

 

Of course, I wrote the sentence, so it could just be that what's clear to me isn't always clear to others. Believe me, wouldn't be the first time.

 

The playing time stuff had the tenor of talking about Reddick and him not being an every day player, but the positions matched up to Zobrist. When you clarified to goony above I got it sorted out.

 

To stay on the topic, 2B and the OF will combine for 2800 or so PA, of which 1800 are very likely to come from Schwarber, Zobrist, and Heyward. The remaining 1000 need to come from Baez, Soler, Almora, and whoever is playing the Szczur/Coghlan role next year. You can get rid of one of those candidates for 1000 and still be more than fine to cover it capably, but if you're getting rid of two then you need either both a Szczur and a Coghlan or more of a starting OF(hey, Dexter Fowler is available!).

[USSoccer]

I feel there's a higher chance that Bryant goes in FA than there is that both Javy and Schwarber aren't Cubs in 3 years' time.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I expect... I hope that we'll be able to remove Russell and Rizzo from that list. I think Russell is a lock for a long term extension. I don't know how Rizzo's skill set will translate into his 30's, but Rizzo just seems like a lifer to this team already. Having a guy who spends all but a smidge of his career with one team is almost impossible these days, but Rizzo seems like the type who could be that guy for us. I hope, anyways. Love that dude.

 

I don't expect Bryant to sign an extension because of Boras, so he'll probably need to be resigned in that FA period (which I think is very likely, provided his time in Chicago remains happy). Baez I expect to be gone. Schwarber I also expect to be traded eventually because of defensive limitations, but not for a 2 to 3 years at least.

 

Russell is also a Boras client.

[jersey cubs fan]

is rosscup a DFA candidate?

 

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[Clem Fandango]

I expect... I hope that we'll be able to remove Russell and Rizzo from that list. I think Russell is a lock for a long term extension. I don't know how Rizzo's skill set will translate into his 30's, but Rizzo just seems like a lifer to this team already. Having a guy who spends all but a smidge of his career with one team is almost impossible these days, but Rizzo seems like the type who could be that guy for us. I hope, anyways. Love that dude.

 

I don't expect Bryant to sign an extension because of Boras, so he'll probably need to be resigned in that FA period (which I think is very likely, provided his time in Chicago remains happy). Baez I expect to be gone. Schwarber I also expect to be traded eventually because of defensive limitations, but not for a 2 to 3 years at least.

 

Russell is also a Boras client.

 

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[Cubswin11]

is rosscup a DFA candidate?

 

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More likely an integral piece in a trade for Trout.

 

 

But yeah I'd think he'd make sense to DFA. Where does the 40-man stand today with FA/retirements? And how many guys do we need to add to protect from the Rule V, if any?

[Gmoney08]

Also, what are the odds that Baez is on the move this offseason? He is really a similar player, projection wise, as a season ago, but with the high trade value based on performance in the postseason. Someone will be a casualty this offseason other than Soler, who's an obvious choice to go. Javy's the likeliest choice to bring back a guy who will help fill that void when 60% of our starting rotation is gone in 2018 and beyond.

 

horsefeathers You!!!!!!!

 

Javy is going to have more jewelry than Derek Jeter all in a Cubs uniform.

 

What's wrong with exploring the market for a guy with similar flaws to his game that existed 12 months ago, but now has an LCS MVP and a Game 7 Home Run under his belt? I love Javy and think he has a ton of value. But that's precisely why you explore trading him. He should bring you back a young starting pitcher with cost control that should provide excellent value into the years beyond when Lackey, Arrietta (who I think the Cubs have no desire to re-sign), and now Hammel are gone.

 

 

Now you are really grinding my gears. horsefeathers Pitchers!!

[Agony and Ivy]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/CarrieMuskat/status/795749546177548288[/tweet]

 

Hey guys, Carrie is all over the Cubs moves this offseason.

[DouglasDorsey]

I never realized how backloaded Trout's deal is. I may not be reading it correctly but it looks like 19 million this coming year, followed by 33.25,33.25 and 33.25. I assume the Angels had a lot of money coming off the books starting next year.

 

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/los-angeles-angels-of-anaheim/mike-trout-8553/cash-earnings/ (is it ok to paste links?)

Edited November 7, 2016 by DouglasDorsey

[Agony and Ivy]

I never realized how backloaded Trout's deal is. I may not be readuing it correctly but it looks like 19 million this coming year, followed by 33.25,33.25 and 33.25. I assume the Angels had a lot of money coming off the books starting next year.

 

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/los-angeles-angels-of-anaheim/mike-trout-8553/cash-earnings/ (is it ok to paste links?)

 

It's not really backloaded. The first 3-4 years are arbitration years, so they're paying him slightly more each season than he'd probably get going through the arbitration process and then paying him below market value when the FA portion of the contract kicks in.

[DouglasDorsey]

I never realized how backloaded Trout's deal is. I may not be readuing it correctly but it looks like 19 million this coming year, followed by 33.25,33.25 and 33.25. I assume the Angels had a lot of money coming off the books starting next year.

 

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/los-angeles-angels-of-anaheim/mike-trout-8553/cash-earnings/ (is it ok to paste links?)

 

It's not really backloaded. The first 3-4 years are arbitration years, so they're paying him slightly more each season than he'd probably get going through the arbitration process and then paying him below market value when the FA portion of the contract kicks in.

 

I realized the arbitration thing after I posted. Probably should have looked at that. I posted because somebody mentioned trading for him and couldn't remember what he was making. They still have a few more years of old man Pujols to go along with him.

[Agony and Ivy]

I never realized how backloaded Trout's deal is. I may not be readuing it correctly but it looks like 19 million this coming year, followed by 33.25,33.25 and 33.25. I assume the Angels had a lot of money coming off the books starting next year.

 

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/los-angeles-angels-of-anaheim/mike-trout-8553/cash-earnings/ (is it ok to paste links?)

 

It's not really backloaded. The first 3-4 years are arbitration years, so they're paying him slightly more each season than he'd probably get going through the arbitration process and then paying him below market value when the FA portion of the contract kicks in.

 

I realized the arbitration thing after I posted. Probably should have looked at that. I posted because somebody mentioned trading for him and couldn't remember what he was making. They still have a few more years of old man Pujols to go along with him.

 

And he's still getting about 2/5th market rate for his numbers which is even crazier.