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As the post above mentioned, Lackey is much more talented than Hammel at the art of pitching.

Okay, well it's your own fault if your expectations of Hammel are for him to be 3+ WAR pitcher

 

That's not the point he was making, or at least that's not the point I was making. He can be the standard 1-2 WAR fifth starter or whatever, but if that's your role you don't get to stare down Joe every time he comes to pull your ass in the 5th inning and then complain about it to the media after the game.

It was the third.

Cubswin11 All-Star

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As the post above mentioned, Lackey is much more talented than Hammel at the art of pitching.

Okay, well it's your own fault if your expectations of Hammel are for him to be 3+ WAR pitcher

 

That's not the point he was making, or at least that's not the point I was making. He can be the standard 1-2 WAR fifth starter or whatever, but if that's your role you don't get to stare down Joe every time he comes to pull your ass in the 5th inning and then complain about it to the media after the game.

Fair enough, that stuff doesn't really bother me other than it's Hammel being stupid and competitive. Whenever he does it there doesn't seem to be any residual affects in terms of having infighting with Joe/players in the clubhouse. Lackey's actions towards umps, other players/teams is a lot more frustrating and annoying to me than Hammel wanting to stay in games longer sometimes. Which Lackey also pulls and also isn't good enough to pull.

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David GOAT

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Okay, well it's your own fault if your expectations of Hammel are for him to be 3+ WAR pitcher

 

That's not the point he was making, or at least that's not the point I was making. He can be the standard 1-2 WAR fifth starter or whatever, but if that's your role you don't get to stare down Joe every time he comes to pull your ass in the 5th inning and then complain about it to the media after the game.

It was the third.

 

that wasn't the only time that happened

squally1313 Myrtle Beach Pelicans

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Okay, well it's your own fault if your expectations of Hammel are for him to be 3+ WAR pitcher

 

That's not the point he was making, or at least that's not the point I was making. He can be the standard 1-2 WAR fifth starter or whatever, but if that's your role you don't get to stare down Joe every time he comes to pull your ass in the 5th inning and then complain about it to the media after the game.

Fair enough, that stuff doesn't really bother me other than it's Hammel being stupid and competitive. Whenever he does it there doesn't seem to be any residual affects in terms of having infighting with Joe/players in the clubhouse. Lackey's actions towards umps, other players/teams is a lot more frustrating and annoying to me than Hammel wanting to stay in games longer sometimes. Which Lackey also pulls and also isn't good enough to pull.

That's fine, for whatever reason I go the opposite way, especially in us embracing the villain role now that we're so damn good. Lackey has definitely not been happy about getting taken out and I remember him staring down an outfielder a time or two, but I guess I just notice Hammel doing it a lot more.

 

And Lackey, for all his personal faults, has been a really good pitcher both this year and most of his career. Not that someone can 'earn' this behavior, but he has way more so than Hammel.

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That's not the point he was making, or at least that's not the point I was making. He can be the standard 1-2 WAR fifth starter or whatever, but if that's your role you don't get to stare down Joe every time he comes to pull your ass in the 5th inning and then complain about it to the media after the game.

Fair enough, that stuff doesn't really bother me other than it's Hammel being stupid and competitive. Whenever he does it there doesn't seem to be any residual affects in terms of having infighting with Joe/players in the clubhouse. Lackey's actions towards umps, other players/teams is a lot more frustrating and annoying to me than Hammel wanting to stay in games longer sometimes. Which Lackey also pulls and also isn't good enough to pull.

That's fine, for whatever reason I go the opposite way, especially in us embracing the villain role now that we're so damn good. Lackey has definitely not been happy about getting taken out and I remember him staring down an outfielder a time or two, but I guess I just notice Hammel doing it a lot more.

 

And Lackey, for all his personal faults, has been a really good pitcher both this year and most of his career. Not that someone can 'earn' this behavior, but he has way more so than Hammel.

Lackey yelling at other players when they get hits off him, throwing at other players for no reason, barking at umps, or calling out the defense like he did this year irks me a million times more than Hammel getting a little pissy at Joe (and I think often times it's at himself) for 10 mins a few times a year when he gets pulled early. And yes, Lackey by just about every measure has been and still is better than Hammel.

squally1313 Myrtle Beach Pelicans

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Fair enough, that stuff doesn't really bother me other than it's Hammel being stupid and competitive. Whenever he does it there doesn't seem to be any residual affects in terms of having infighting with Joe/players in the clubhouse. Lackey's actions towards umps, other players/teams is a lot more frustrating and annoying to me than Hammel wanting to stay in games longer sometimes. Which Lackey also pulls and also isn't good enough to pull.

That's fine, for whatever reason I go the opposite way, especially in us embracing the villain role now that we're so damn good. Lackey has definitely not been happy about getting taken out and I remember him staring down an outfielder a time or two, but I guess I just notice Hammel doing it a lot more.

 

And Lackey, for all his personal faults, has been a really good pitcher both this year and most of his career. Not that someone can 'earn' this behavior, but he has way more so than Hammel.

Lackey yelling at other players when they get hits off him, throwing at other players for no reason, barking at umps, or calling out the defense like he did this year irks me a million times more than Hammel getting a little pissy at Joe (and I think often times it's at himself) for 10 mins a few times a year when he gets pulled early. And yes, Lackey by just about every measure has been and still is better than Hammel.

 

Yeah, I just really don't like when he makes comments after the game, which he has more than once. And he has to be aware of how he always tires out, so the early hooks are clearly for a reason.

 

This isn't rational, but I think I was pissed when we signed Lackey for all reasons you mentioned, but then I kinda just accepted it (somewhat similar to Chapman). This Hammel behavior seems to have developed in Chicago (which is probably not true and just a matter of me never watching him pitch before we got him). And again, from a meatball-y viewpoint, Lackey has sorta 'earned it' more.

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I've been seeing these Tweets on here for a while and have never seen a "0% call same" before, I don't think

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