Trade deadline best case scenarios

[Northsider]

Who would you like to see the Cubs obtain, and for whom?

 

I'd like to see, with fillers going both ways:

Cubs acquire: Reddick, Colome, (Shelby) Miller, Paxton

For Reddick: Zagunis

For Colome: Torres, Clifton

For Miller: Happ

For Paxton: Soler

 

Sent down/DFA'd:

Richard

 

Rationale:

Reddick's plate discipline should help give the lineup some consistency, but will require the DFA of Szczur or LaStella, or the trade of Soler. Soler and Paxton match up well - both have flaws, both have ridiculous potential, and the Soler injury history should balance out the fact that Paxton is a pitcher.

 

Colome I like better than Chapman. In part of course this is due to Chapman's legal history and the potential for ill-timed legal problems; but Colome's K/9 and BB/9 aren't THAT far off Chapman's, and his GB% is in the low 50's compared to Chapman's high 30's which plays to our strengths.

 

Someone suggested the DBacks would be willing to sell low on Miller, now that he's been sent to AAA. I say we get it done.

[davell]

I'd take that and run. I like that a lot.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't think 4 deals is really a plausible outcome, especially Miller and Paxton, and especially Miller and Paxton if Colome is added. There's only so many roster spots.

 

For me, a best case scenario is trading for Archer and Colome without surrendering Baez, and preferably without trading Happ or Jimenez. If Soler is in the deal (probable), and especially if Almora is too (possible), then snagging a LH OF rental(Reddick, Jay, Bruce, etc) is also alright if the price is right and/or you really don't trust Coghlan or Montero.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I don't think 4 deals is really a plausible outcome, especially Miller and Paxton, and especially Miller and Paxton if Colome is added. There's only so many roster spots.

 

For me, a best case scenario is trading for Archer and Colome without surrendering Baez, and preferably without trading Happ or Jimenez. If Soler is in the deal (probable), and especially if Almora is too (possible), then snagging a LH OF rental(Reddick, Jay, Bruce, etc) is also alright if the price is right and/or you really don't trust Coghlan or Montero.

 

Oh man, I'll go even further and be okay with parting with Happ if necessary. I'd love acquiring two controlled pitchers Archer/Colome on top of Montgomery.

 

On the other hand, Shelby Miller for Ian Happ feels like a massive overpay.

[Northsider]

I don't think 4 deals is really a plausible outcome, especially Miller and Paxton, and especially Miller and Paxton if Colome is added. There's only so many roster spots.

 

For me, a best case scenario is trading for Archer and Colome without surrendering Baez, and preferably without trading Happ or Jimenez. If Soler is in the deal (probable), and especially if Almora is too (possible), then snagging a LH OF rental(Reddick, Jay, Bruce, etc) is also alright if the price is right and/or you really don't trust Coghlan or Montero.

 

Oh I don't think Miller and Paxton are in the majors in this scenario. More like, get them now and they'll contribute long-term (particularly Miller, who should do better in a non-terrible organization), possibly as early as September. And Archer alone sans Baez has an asking price of pick-2 from Torres/Happ/Eloy, probably with extras. Colome (based on the Chapman asks) will command the third, again with extra. I don't like that deal at all; we'd have to save one by throwing in Soler, and (because Rays) we'd have to eat his contract for the asking.

[Northsider]

I don't think 4 deals is really a plausible outcome, especially Miller and Paxton, and especially Miller and Paxton if Colome is added. There's only so many roster spots.

 

For me, a best case scenario is trading for Archer and Colome without surrendering Baez, and preferably without trading Happ or Jimenez. If Soler is in the deal (probable), and especially if Almora is too (possible), then snagging a LH OF rental(Reddick, Jay, Bruce, etc) is also alright if the price is right and/or you really don't trust Coghlan or Montero.

 

Oh man, I'll go even further and be okay with parting with Happ if necessary. I'd love acquiring two controlled pitchers Archer/Colome on top of Montgomery.

 

On the other hand, Shelby Miller for Ian Happ feels like a massive overpay.

 

I can't imagine the DBacks would want less for Miller. If they'd take Caratini or Cease or something like that I'd be thrilled. Miller IS still young and talented, but he's been affected by a short stay in an awful organization.

 

What do you think the Cubs were offering the Braves for him? We know they weren't willing to go as high as Soler, but I suspect Happ+ (or Torres, or Eloy) was the approximate deal. Getting him off the new Orioles could be an easy coup, even with someone like Happ.

[CubinNY]

 

For me, a best case scenario is trading for Archer and Colome without surrendering Baez, and preferably without trading Happ or Jimenez. If Soler is in the deal (probable), and especially if Almora is too (possible), then snagging a LH OF rental(Reddick, Jay, Bruce, etc) is also alright if the price is right and/or you really don't trust Coghlan or Montero.

This is it. I want Archer and I want Bosio to fix his first inning.

[Clem Fandango]

Giving them Happ for Shelby Miller is almost like reversing the deal they made in the first place to acquire him after Miller has gone on to diminish any sort of elite trade value he had prior to this season. Miller was obvious smoke and mirrors last year and this year proved that. He's been garbage and just got sent to the minors, but we should give up the second best 2B prospect in all of baseball for him?

 

Edited July 24, 2016 by The Logan

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Yeah, zero interest in Shelby Miller.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I don't think 4 deals is really a plausible outcome, especially Miller and Paxton, and especially Miller and Paxton if Colome is added. There's only so many roster spots.

 

For me, a best case scenario is trading for Archer and Colome without surrendering Baez, and preferably without trading Happ or Jimenez. If Soler is in the deal (probable), and especially if Almora is too (possible), then snagging a LH OF rental(Reddick, Jay, Bruce, etc) is also alright if the price is right and/or you really don't trust Coghlan or Montero.

 

Oh man, I'll go even further and be okay with parting with Happ if necessary. I'd love acquiring two controlled pitchers Archer/Colome on top of Montgomery.

 

On the other hand, Shelby Miller for Ian Happ feels like a massive overpay.

 

I can't imagine the DBacks would want less for Miller. If they'd take Caratini or Cease or something like that I'd be thrilled. Miller IS still young and talented, but he's been affected by a short stay in an awful organization.

 

What do you think the Cubs were offering the Braves for him? We know they weren't willing to go as high as Soler, but I suspect Happ+ (or Torres, or Eloy) was the approximate deal. Getting him off the new Orioles could be an easy coup, even with someone like Happ.

 

Shelby Miller is certainly not worth that much right now after the half season he's had, no matter how young he is. He'd be intriguing as a buy low candidate. Giving up Happ is not buy low.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

And Archer alone sans Baez has an asking price of pick-2 from Torres/Happ/Eloy, probably with extras. Colome (based on the Chapman asks) will command the third, again with extra. I don't like that deal at all; we'd have to save one by throwing in Soler, and (because Rays) we'd have to eat his contract for the asking.

 

If it had to be Soler, Torres, and Happ for Archer and Colome as principals, I'd be okay with that even if it meant sending some money for Soler. I'd try to swap Almora in for Happ if I could, but I would not consider those 3 to be a prohibitive price when the return is an elite reliever and a likely TOR starter both under control for 3-5 years.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

And Archer alone sans Baez has an asking price of pick-2 from Torres/Happ/Eloy, probably with extras. Colome (based on the Chapman asks) will command the third, again with extra. I don't like that deal at all; we'd have to save one by throwing in Soler, and (because Rays) we'd have to eat his contract for the asking.

 

If it had to be Soler, Torres, and Happ for Archer and Colome as principals, I'd be okay with that even if it meant sending some money for Soler. I'd try to swap Almora in for Happ if I could, but I would not consider those 3 to be a prohibitive price when the return is an elite reliever and a likely TOR starter both under control for 3-5 years.

 

Sign me up for that.

[raw]

And Archer alone sans Baez has an asking price of pick-2 from Torres/Happ/Eloy, probably with extras. Colome (based on the Chapman asks) will command the third, again with extra. I don't like that deal at all; we'd have to save one by throwing in Soler, and (because Rays) we'd have to eat his contract for the asking.

 

If it had to be Soler, Torres, and Happ for Archer and Colome as principals, I'd be okay with that even if it meant sending some money for Soler. I'd try to swap Almora in for Happ if I could, but I would not consider those 3 to be a prohibitive price when the return is an elite reliever and a likely TOR starter both under control for 3-5 years.

 

I'd try hard to not add Happ . But yeah, that's a very fair price, and honestly an ideal scenario for the Cubs to get a controllable starter and a good reliever without having to give up Schwarber, Contreras or Baez.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Giving them Happ for Shelby Miller is almost like reversing the deal they made in the first place to acquire him after Miller has gone on to diminish any sort of elite trade value he had prior to this season. Miller was obvious smoke and mirrors last year and this year proved that. He's been garbage and just got sent to the minors, but we should give up the second best 2B prospect in all of baseball for him?

 

 

Giving them Happ for Shelby Miller would be foolish on our part. Giving them Happ, Duane Underwood, and Tommy LaStella would be (almost) reversing the deal they made in the first place.

[Post Count Padder]

I keep thinking about what's next in terms of trades. We've been looking at starters and apparently have interest in a lefty power bat and I as wondering what it would take to get Kole Calhoun and one of Hector Santiago/Matt Shoemaker from the Angels? Those two pitchers are on the market and while not flashy would be helpful in stabilizing the rotation. Calhoun has pop and a good glove. Thoughts?

[Tim]

I keep thinking about what's next in terms of trades. We've been looking at starters and apparently have interest in a lefty power bat and I as wondering what it would take to get Kole Calhoun and one of Hector Santiago/Matt Shoemaker from the Angels? Those two pitchers are on the market and while not flashy would be helpful in stabilizing the rotation. Calhoun has pop and a good glove. Thoughts?

Are you going with a six man rotation or putting the SP in place of someone?

[KingCubsFan]

I keep thinking about what's next in terms of trades. We've been looking at starters and apparently have interest in a lefty power bat and I as wondering what it would take to get Kole Calhoun and one of Hector Santiago/Matt Shoemaker from the Angels? Those two pitchers are on the market and while not flashy would be helpful in stabilizing the rotation. Calhoun has pop and a good glove. Thoughts?

Not a fan of buying high on a guy like Shoemaker. If they're going the rotation route, I think the best bet is to swing for the fences and get Archer. If that's not possible, I'm OK standing pat in the rotation. I do think they'll get Reddick, and the cost shouldn't be too bad.

[muntjack]

Why are we adding Reddick again? Soler has a higher career OBP as well as tons of upside. Its not like Reddick is a + defensively and the chance his on-base skills regress closer to the norm means he could very well add less value than Soler would the rest of the way, never mind Jorge's potential to improve and mash like he was before the hamstring.

[Post Count Padder]

I keep thinking about what's next in terms of trades. We've been looking at starters and apparently have interest in a lefty power bat and I as wondering what it would take to get Kole Calhoun and one of Hector Santiago/Matt Shoemaker from the Angels? Those two pitchers are on the market and while not flashy would be helpful in stabilizing the rotation. Calhoun has pop and a good glove. Thoughts?

Are you going with a six man rotation or putting the SP in place of someone?

My idea was a six man rotation. Having Cahill and Matusz is nice but who knows what you'd get from either stretching out.

[Sammy Sofa]

Why are we adding Reddick again? Soler has a higher career OBP as well as tons of upside. Its not like Reddick is a + defensively and the chance his on-base skills regress closer to the norm means he could very well add less value than Soler would the rest of the way, never mind Jorge's potential to improve and mash like he was before the hamstring.

 

Soler was struggling to just be replacement level even for the rare stretches when he was hitting. Reddick is a much safer better to actually be productive (though I was looking at BR, which seems to like him a lot more than FG; both hate how Soler violates the game).