Cubs add Chapman for Torres, et al. imb wishes we paid more

[Ding Dong Johnson]

no, they're not going to choose Rondon over Chapman because they think it'll make a better poster

[Andy]

no, they're not going to choose Rondon over Chapman because they think it'll make a better poster

Dunno seems like legit baseball strategy to me

[Bryants Disco Ball]

no, they're not going to choose Rondon over Chapman because they think it'll make a better poster

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

[jersey cubs fan]

Don't be asses. Feeling bad about picking up a guy with his history is perfectly justified.

 

I wasn't trying to be an ass. If people want to be ticked off about having Aroldis Chapman on the roster, that's fine by me.

 

Some of the facts in this incident are irrefutable. Others are sketchy at best.

 

My take: I'm not about to let bygones be bygones. I'm going judge Chapman by the way he conducts himself from here on out based on what happens next. How he conducts himself. Not on the field, but off. The leash will be very short. VERY short.

 

And I'll be damned if I'm going to feel bad about it because someone else told me so.

Don't matter if you tried. You were being an ass.

[CoolHandLuke]

I mean, Chapman served a 30 game suspension. How long should he be suspended for accusations? Lifetime ban?

 

Almost all jobs judge you based on a background check. The only thing that matters is convictions. MLB is already going a step further by punishing players who were accused but not convicted. I just don't know what more people want.

 

You are the worst.

[Rob]

I mean, Chapman served a 30 game suspension. How long should he be suspended for accusations? Lifetime ban?

 

Almost all jobs judge you based on a background check. The only thing that matters is convictions. MLB is already going a step further by punishing players who were accused but not convicted. I just don't know what more people want.

 

I'm not arguing that the suspension should be longer. MLB's domestic violence policy is new, and trying to iron out the kinks on how you suspend people and for how long is going to take some time. I'm just happy that some action has been taken down that path, for the time being.

 

The state declined to prosecute, so he's not in legal trouble. And MLB said he's served his time, so I wont argue that he holds every right to have a job. But serving your time doesn't wipe the slate clean. And I'm not required to welcome him to the Cubs with open arms.

 

Seeing a guy like him on the mound closing out ballgames will diminish the joy I find in those wins. I would be happier if he wasn't a Cub.

[Tracer Bullet]

Anyone posting anything trying to excuse or downplay Chapman's actions can go [expletive] themselves. You're part of the problem concerning DV and athletes/celebrities. I ignored a lot of garbage players and rooted for them as a kid because I didn't know any better. But I'm a [expletive] adult now and I'm livid that the Cubs would trade for this POS human being. He will just be a nameless player on this team to me. What a slap in the face (no pun intended) to female Cubs fans. But I'm sure the Cubs won't have any problem trying to profit off women with pink gear (maybe a pink Chapman shirsey?) and Mother's Day uniforms in the future.

 

I 100 percent respect you for this position. But now that the Cubs are part of the problem, it feels like you too are part of the problem if you watch another game this season or do anything to support them.

 

You're trying to guilt someone who objects to domestic violence? You are an ass. Try doesn't matter.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Anyone posting anything trying to excuse or downplay Chapman's actions can go [expletive] themselves. You're part of the problem concerning DV and athletes/celebrities. I ignored a lot of garbage players and rooted for them as a kid because I didn't know any better. But I'm a [expletive] adult now and I'm livid that the Cubs would trade for this POS human being. He will just be a nameless player on this team to me. What a slap in the face (no pun intended) to female Cubs fans. But I'm sure the Cubs won't have any problem trying to profit off women with pink gear (maybe a pink Chapman shirsey?) and Mother's Day uniforms in the future.

 

I 100 percent respect you for this position. But now that the Cubs are part of the problem, it feels like you too are part of the problem if you watch another game this season or do anything to support them.

 

You're trying to guilt someone who objects to domestic violence? You are an ass. Try doesn't matter.

 

Huh.

 

No, was just pointing out that if we want to take a real stand and talk about how we have gotten to this point in part because of how we treat athletes and try to explain away their DV issues, that we need to step up and do something about that.

 

We are part of the problem. We are angry at the Cubs for trading for this man but continue to give them our money. DV is awful and we should stop watching until he's off the team or we are in part the problem.

 

Sorry if that makes me an ass.

[David]

If I can still watch Annie Hall or Chinatown and enjoy them as great films while realizing that the filmmakers are complete scumbags, I sure as hell can watch Chapman be used as a pitching machine by my baseball team while thinking he sucks as a human being.

 

I like that comparison a lot, actually.

 

well, sure, it's convenient. Deciding to watch Annie Hall on Netflix is different than walking around in a Woody Allen is Awesome t-shirt.

 

Honest question. Not trying to gotcha you or anything like that. This occurred to me earlier today when I was reading this but I didn't get a chance to respond. I remember you being upset about the Castro trade and talking about how your son loved him and was very broken up about it. I'm just curious why you were good with Castro and why you didn't make it clear to your son that Castro was probably a bad guy. Is it just that more detail came out (as well as some admissions) about what Chapman did? It's not me wondering why Chapman is so disliked. That's obvious. I just don't understand how Starlin, who was accused of doing something potentially even worse, slipped under so many radars here.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If I can still watch Annie Hall or Chinatown and enjoy them as great films while realizing that the filmmakers are complete scumbags, I sure as hell can watch Chapman be used as a pitching machine by my baseball team while thinking he sucks as a human being.

 

I like that comparison a lot, actually.

 

well, sure, it's convenient. Deciding to watch Annie Hall on Netflix is different than walking around in a Woody Allen is Awesome t-shirt.

 

No, but I've seen an awful lot of John Lennon t-shirts.

[David]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BITu1aoB69r/

[Tracer Bullet]

 

I like that comparison a lot, actually.

 

well, sure, it's convenient. Deciding to watch Annie Hall on Netflix is different than walking around in a Woody Allen is Awesome t-shirt.

 

Honest question. Not trying to gotcha you or anything like that. This occurred to me earlier today when I was reading this but I didn't get a chance to respond. I remember you being upset about the Castro trade and talking about how your son loved him and was very broken up about it. I'm just curious why you were good with Castro and why you didn't make it clear to your son that Castro was probably a bad guy. Is it just that more detail came out (as well as some admissions) about what Chapman did? It's not me wondering why Chapman is so disliked. That's obvious. I just don't understand how Starlin, who was accused of doing something potentially even worse, slipped under so many radars here.

 

I don't recall much of the Castro allegations. They were drunk in his place after a night out? Was the allegation that he raped her? I don't remember the allegations being very specific.

 

Here's how I see Chapman. His gf claimed he choked her and threatened her then shot up the garage. He admits to shooting, wants to reconcile with her and accepts a 30 game suspension. Look, I love my wife more than I could really express but if she lied to police and said I tried to choke her or threatened to, I wouldn't accept any reconciliation that didn't involve her admitting that lie. Why would you agree to stay with a woman that falsely accused you of what might be called attempted murder and also costs you hundreds of thousands of dollars? I guess I'm comfortable that the level of detail here, that they're trying to reconcile and that he accepted the suspension means he did it. Not being convicted bc your gf or wife won't testify is meaningless.

[David]

 

well, sure, it's convenient. Deciding to watch Annie Hall on Netflix is different than walking around in a Woody Allen is Awesome t-shirt.

 

Honest question. Not trying to gotcha you or anything like that. This occurred to me earlier today when I was reading this but I didn't get a chance to respond. I remember you being upset about the Castro trade and talking about how your son loved him and was very broken up about it. I'm just curious why you were good with Castro and why you didn't make it clear to your son that Castro was probably a bad guy. Is it just that more detail came out (as well as some admissions) about what Chapman did? It's not me wondering why Chapman is so disliked. That's obvious. I just don't understand how Starlin, who was accused of doing something potentially even worse, slipped under so many radars here.

 

I don't recall much of the Castro allegations. They were drunk in his place after a night out? Was the allegation that he raped her? I don't remember the allegations being very specific.

 

Here's how I see Chapman. His gf claimed he choked her and threatened her then shot up the garage. He admits to shooting, wants to reconcile with her and accepts a 30 game suspension. Look, I love my wife more than I could really express but if she lied to police and said I tried to choke her or threatened to, I wouldn't accept any reconciliation that didn't involve her admitting that lie. Why would you agree to stay with a woman that falsely accused you of what might be called attempted murder and also costs you hundreds of thousands of dollars? I guess I'm comfortable that the level of detail here, that they're trying to reconcile and that he accepted the suspension means he did it. Not being convicted bc your gf or wife won't testify is meaningless.

 

Fair enough. That's a well reasoned answer.

 

I don't recall the specifics of the Castro thing, but I remember the rumors at the time being pretty bad. I don't think we got much detail in any official capacity.

[Gmoney08]

I agree that part of the lack of general excitement is due to chapman's past. However I think part of the issue is that when you picture who is on the mound for the final out of the world series it just "feels right" to see someone like Rondon who was "homegrown" or part of the rebuild and not a "rental". That's why the extension mattered too. For how exciting a world series would be, forever having Chapman as the center of the celebration on the mound would look out of place. It makes me wonder if in that spot Rondon would get the call if the game was in hand.

 

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I dont care if its Bobby Jenks with a Sox logo tattood to his arm, as long as a Cubs pitcher at that moment is getting the final out of the WS.

 

I could see having reservations about Chapman's past but I could care less whether its homegrown or not. We have more than enough homegrown talent to rejoice about how homegrowny are team is when we win the title.

[wvcbxl]

But I'm sure the Cubs won't have any problem trying to profit off women with pink gear (maybe a pink Chapman shirsey?) and Mother's Day uniforms in the future.

 

If anyone in the marketing dept ever pitches that idea, that individual should be fired.

[Little Slide Rooter]

There's a big difference between this and the Castro thing.

 

Castro's was a matter of an alleged rape. The question was did it happen or was it somebody trying to cash in (I'm not taking either side, just stating the argument.)

 

Chapman's is we know that he committed this atrocious act; do we root for him anyway?

[jersey cubs fan]

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[UMFan83]

There's a big difference between this and the Castro thing.

 

Castro's was a matter of an alleged rape. The question was did it happen or was it somebody trying to cash in (I'm not taking either side, just stating the argument.)

 

Chapman's is we know that he committed this atrocious act; do we root for him anyway?

 

Starlin also had an offseason where people kept mysteriously getting shot in his vicinity

[Tim]

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[biittner77]

Did MLB make Chapman go to any kind of counseling as part of his 30 games suspension? It seems like they should have. If so, the question becomes whether he deserves a second chance. There's no easy answer to that question either. The fact that he accepted the suspension *could* indicate that he knows what he did was wrong.

 

I didn't want this guy on the Cubs but here he is.

[mul21]

Did MLB make Chapman go to any kind of counseling as part of his 30 games suspension? It seems like they should have. If so, the question becomes whether he deserves a second chance. There's no easy answer to that question either. The fact that he accepted the suspension *could* indicate that he knows what he did was wrong.

 

I didn't want this guy on the Cubs but here he is.

 

I'm pretty sure that him accepting the suspension was part of the deal that kept it as short as it was. I have a feeling that if he had said he would appeal, it would have been at least 50 games. As to the counseling, I can only hope that was part of the agreement.

[Little Slide Rooter]

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I don't think there's anybody who feels that he doesn't deserve criticism or even disdain.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/articles/cubs-articles/44-why-the-cubs-traded-for-aroldis-chapman

[Ding Dong Johnson]

There's a big difference between this and the Castro thing.

 

Castro's was a matter of an alleged rape. The question was did it happen or was it somebody trying to cash in (I'm not taking either side, just stating the argument.)

 

Chapman's is we know that he committed this atrocious act; do we root for him anyway?

you are a horsefeathering idiot and should feel bad about it

[Cubbie Swagger]

I mean, Chapman served a 30 game suspension. How long should he be suspended for accusations? Lifetime ban?

 

Almost all jobs judge you based on a background check. The only thing that matters is convictions. MLB is already going a step further by punishing players who were accused but not convicted. I just don't know what more people want.

 

I'm not arguing that the suspension should be longer. MLB's domestic violence policy is new, and trying to iron out the kinks on how you suspend people and for how long is going to take some time. I'm just happy that some action has been taken down that path, for the time being.

 

The state declined to prosecute, so he's not in legal trouble. And MLB said he's served his time, so I wont argue that he holds every right to have a job. But serving your time doesn't wipe the slate clean. And I'm not required to welcome him to the Cubs with open arms.

 

Seeing a guy like him on the mound closing out ballgames will diminish the joy I find in those wins. I would be happier if he wasn't a Cub.

To me, it seems pretty normal and okay for people to dislike Chapman. He's not a nice guy and it appears he has done some bad things. I'm not saying his slate should be wiped clean in the minds of the fans. But, to imply that a pro sports franchise is now somehow guilty or morally corrupt is absurd.

 

Murderers and child molesters get out of prison in only a few years, and then they continue on with their lives. That's how it works. People get really emotional about this stuff, but all you can do is follow the rules. Once a person has served their punishment under whatever rules or laws apply, there's nothing else you can do besides dislike them.

 

I actually typed some stuff about Castro yesterday and deleted it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we still don't actually know what happened with Chapman, do we? Isn't it just accusations? Everyone is making him out to be a woman beater, but I'm pretty sure we have no idea if he actually put his hands on the girl or not.

 

The guy probably is horsefeathering guilty, but so are half the guys in the league. If you stopped rooting for all the bad guys, you'd have to just stop following sports.