Cubs add Chapman for Torres, et al. imb wishes we paid more

[Cubbie Swagger]

As David touched on, there are plenty of pro athletes who aren't very good people. I'd be willing to bet there are a few players on the Cubs roster that have put their hands on a woman in their life. You root for them. But, it's Aroldis that was the subject of a highly publicized police investigation, so he's the one that we hate.

 

To me it's kinda like the steroid issue. We'll never know who got away with it, and they certainly aren't better people than the ones that got caught.

 

This is pro sports, and the goal is to win. You have to compartmentalize your personal feelings and morals.

 

you're real bad at this, plz don't reference me

I will kick you in the nuts.

[squally1313]

 

It could be better, but could be far worse, so above average. He's apologizing for his actions with the active 'sorry' and not for their effect or interpretation on or by others, that's the important thing in these cases, because again, they are all 100% empty talk.

The problem is he's not apologizing at all for his actions, but for his lack of better judgement (and for that, and that alone, is he truly sorry)

 

I realize that I've brought this upon myself, but the separation you're making between his 'judgment' and his 'actions' is perplexing. They're inextricable.

 

But I'll leave it with again reiterating that any apology is not going to come across as 100% sincere, one because it probably isn't, and two because even if it was it can't be in this medium. No statement, statement, statement with different words, it's going to be criticized as insincere no matter what. Given that curve, it avoided some of the worst problems that come with these apologies, so it's pretty good for what it is. Chapman was and remains not a good person, and people remain justified in not liking his acquisition.

 

This may be a totally unfair thought process, but when I see judgment vs action, I see the equivalent of someone apologizing for getting too drunk before driving home and not apologizing for running someone over. It just reads like he's apologizing for getting angry vs what he actually did. That may just be me though.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

As David touched on, there are plenty of pro athletes who aren't very good people. I'd be willing to bet there are a few players on the Cubs roster that have put their hands on a woman in their life. You root for them. But, it's Aroldis that was the subject of a highly publicized police investigation, so he's the one that we hate.

 

To me it's kinda like the steroid issue. We'll never know who got away with it, and they certainly aren't better people than the ones that got caught.

 

This is pro sports, and the goal is to win. You have to compartmentalize your personal feelings and morals.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

It could be better, but could be far worse, so above average. He's apologizing for his actions with the active 'sorry' and not for their effect or interpretation on or by others, that's the important thing in these cases, because again, they are all 100% empty talk.

The problem is he's not apologizing at all for his actions, but for his lack of better judgement (and for that, and that alone, is he truly sorry)

 

I realize that I've brought this upon myself, but the separation you're making between his 'judgment' and his 'actions' is perplexing. They're inextricable.

 

But I'll leave it with again reiterating that any apology is not going to come across as 100% sincere, one because it probably isn't, and two because even if it was it can't be in this medium. No statement, statement, statement with different words, it's going to be criticized as insincere no matter what. Given that curve, it avoided some of the worst problems that come with these apologies, so it's pretty good for what it is. Chapman was and remains not a good person, and people remain justified in not liking his acquisition.

I'm not sure how you find that perplexing. They are not at all inextricable. His apologizing for his judgement is PR 101 for deflecting blame from your actions. He didn't apologize for what he did, and he is very clearly on record stating he did nothing wrong in the first place. It's the "put myself in better situations" defense for a DUI.

[Banedon]

I'm not defending what he did, I just find it unfair to label him the way he's been labeled based on what we know. People are making it seem like he nearly killed someone. What he did was wrong and bat [expletive] crazy, no doubt about it. Too much alcohol can make good people do bad things. I just don't know if that makes him a 100% evil person, but I don't know enough. I'll take a self-imposed break from the board, I hope you all will find it in your hearts to give me a second chance.

 

Cops were called to the scene -- but say they saw no evidence of injuries or even redness anywhere around her neck and chest.

In fact, the woman signed an affidavit that night saying she did not want to press charges against Chapman.

 

1) Drinking is not a justification for anything.

 

2) A woman not wanting to press charges against her batterer is EXTREMELY COMMON.

 

The most common reasons for not reporting domestic violence to police are that victims view the incident as a personal or private matter, they fear retaliation from their abuser, and they do not believe that police will do anything about the incident.

 

3) You are aren't defending what he did, you're diminishing it.

[Cubbie Swagger]

As David touched on, there are plenty of pro athletes who aren't very good people. I'd be willing to bet there are a few players on the Cubs roster that have put their hands on a woman in their life. You root for them. But, it's Aroldis that was the subject of a highly publicized police investigation, so he's the one that we hate.

 

To me it's kinda like the steroid issue. We'll never know who got away with it, and they certainly aren't better people than the ones that got caught.

 

This is pro sports, and the goal is to win. You have to compartmentalize your personal feelings and morals.

"You need people like me. You need people like me, so you can point your horsefeathering fingers, and say, 'that's the bad guy'. So what does that make you? Good?"

 

Or to quote the great Barry Bonds... "Make sure your closet is clean before you go cleaning other peoples' closets" (or something along those lines)

[minnesotacubsfan]

I'm not defending what he did, I just find it unfair to label him the way he's been labeled based on what we know. People are making it seem like he nearly killed someone. What he did was wrong and bat [expletive] crazy, no doubt about it. Too much alcohol can make good people do bad things. I just don't know if that makes him a 100% evil person, but I don't know enough. I'll take a self-imposed break from the board, I hope you all will find it in your hearts to give me a second chance.

 

Cops were called to the scene -- but say they saw no evidence of injuries or even redness anywhere around her neck and chest.

In fact, the woman signed an affidavit that night saying she did not want to press charges against Chapman.

 

1) Drinking is not a justification for anything.

 

2) A woman not wanting to press charges against her batterer is EXTREMELY COMMON.

 

The most common reasons for not reporting domestic violence to police are that victims view the incident as a personal or private matter, they fear retaliation from their abuser, and they do not believe that police will do anything about the incident.

 

3) You are aren't defending what he did, you're diminishing it.

 

and honestly, what choices did she have? to move back to Cuba?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

"You need people like me. You need people like me, so you can point your [expletive] fingers, and say, 'that's the bad guy'. So what does that make you? Good?"

 

Or to quote the great Barry Bonds... "Make sure your closet is clean before you go cleaning other peoples' closets" (or something along those lines)

[Cubbie Swagger]

"You need people like me. You need people like me, so you can point your [expletive] fingers, and say, 'that's the bad guy'. So what does that make you? Good?"

 

Or to quote the great Barry Bonds... "Make sure your closet is clean before you go cleaning other peoples' closets" (or something along those lines)

Your posts are less productive than mine.

[Rex Buckingham]

someone asked earlier about the STL reaction... this didn't come from their boards, but I was listening to some radio here in the STL area and they painted the trade as the Cubs giving up two of their top 5 prospects... I about did a spit take. McKinney hasn't been a top 5 Cubs prospect in how long?

[Clem Fandango]

[UMFan83]

someone asked earlier about the STL reaction... this didn't come from their boards, but I was listening to some radio here in the STL area and they painted the trade as the Cubs giving up two of their top 5 prospects... I about did a spit take. McKinney hasn't been a top 5 Cubs prospect in how long?

 

Technically he was #4 going into the season (and a top 100 prospect in baseball), but yeah has fallen off quite a bit

[Cubbie Swagger]

Sorry I cannot dismiss firing a shotgun off to intimidate something you're fighting with as something drunk people just do sometimes.

That honestly depends your upbringing.

[Clem Fandango]

someone asked earlier about the STL reaction... this didn't come from their boards, but I was listening to some radio here in the STL area and they painted the trade as the Cubs giving up two of their top 5 prospects... I about did a spit take. McKinney hasn't been a top 5 Cubs prospect in how long?

 

Technically he was #4 going into the season (and a top 100 prospect in baseball), but yeah has fallen off quite a bit

 

That was 2015, after the 2014 season. Mckinney was 7th on BA's Top 10 going into this season and fell out of the Top 100 after 2015.

[UMFan83]

Sorry I cannot dismiss firing a shotgun off to intimidate something you're fighting with as something drunk people just do sometimes.

That honestly depends your upbringing.

 

Are you still being serious? wtf

[Omar]

Sorry I cannot dismiss firing a shotgun off to intimidate something you're fighting with as something drunk people just do sometimes.

That honestly depends your upbringing.

shooting blanks is okay

 

draw the line at actual bullets

[UMFan83]

someone asked earlier about the STL reaction... this didn't come from their boards, but I was listening to some radio here in the STL area and they painted the trade as the Cubs giving up two of their top 5 prospects... I about did a spit take. McKinney hasn't been a top 5 Cubs prospect in how long?

 

Technically he was #4 going into the season (and a top 100 prospect in baseball), but yeah has fallen off quite a bit

 

That was 2015, after the 2014 season. Mckinney was 7th on BA's Top 10 going into this season and fell out of the Top 100 after 2015.

 

Sickels had him as high as 3rd in January. (Which is stupid I know especially considering who was 4th, but just showing the disparity on his ranking)

 

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/1/20/10762082/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospects-for-2016

[UMFan83]

Sorry I cannot dismiss firing a shotgun off to intimidate something you're fighting with as something drunk people just do sometimes.

That honestly depends your upbringing.

shooting blanks is okay

 

draw the line at actual bullets

 

As long as shes fearing for her life am i right?

[minnesotacubsfan]

I have a hard time demonizing him for what he did given the understanding of where he came from, what he endured, and what every day must be like. What I worry a tremendous amount about is how he has changed, or IF he has changed and how he did that.

 

it almost sounds like he is trending towards deep narcissism and american culture can certainly push that along.

[Omar]

That honestly depends your upbringing.

shooting blanks is okay

 

draw the line at actual bullets

 

As long as shes fearing for her life am i right?

 

or if you're running late and she needs to apply makeup

 

http://i.imgur.com/RK7U1Eu.gif

[David]

yyyyyyyyyyikkkkessssssssssssssssss

[UMFan83]

Love the White Sox board's reaction.

 

Earlier: Watch how the Cubune is going to gloss over the whole DV situation unlike what they did when we signed Wil Cordero

 

Later: Well there's one article. And oh Haugh is taking them to task. And Mike Greenberg is chiming in too.

 

Now (actual post): Chapman's domestic incident is getting a lot of play in the Chicago media -- more than I suspected. Yes, there is a double standard of media coverage between Cubs and Sox, but never underestimate the capacity of the media to generate a narrative-constructing feeding frenzy on an emotionally charged topic.

[Cubbie Swagger]

Sorry I cannot dismiss firing a shotgun off to intimidate something you're fighting with as something drunk people just do sometimes.

That honestly depends your upbringing.

 

Are you still being serious? wtf

I'm half serious and half joking. In the slums of Cuba, firing off half a clip in your garage to prove a point probably isn't THAT rare.

[Tracer Bullet]

If I can still watch Annie Hall or Chinatown and enjoy them as great films while realizing that the filmmakers are complete scumbags, I sure as hell can watch Chapman be used as a pitching machine by my baseball team while thinking he sucks as a human being.

 

I like that comparison a lot, actually.

 

well, sure, it's convenient. Deciding to watch Annie Hall on Netflix is different than walking around in a Woody Allen is Awesome t-shirt.

[Clem Fandango]

 

Technically he was #4 going into the season (and a top 100 prospect in baseball), but yeah has fallen off quite a bit

 

That was 2015, after the 2014 season. Mckinney was 7th on BA's Top 10 going into this season and fell out of the Top 100 after 2015.

 

Sickels had him as high as 3rd in January. (Which is stupid I know especially considering who was 4th, but just showing the disparity on his ranking)

 

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/1/20/10762082/chicago-cubs-top-20-prospects-for-2016

 

Well in the revised 2015 Top 10 on BA in February of 2015, McKinney was ranked 6th. He moved to 7th for the 2016 rankings, which is amazing when you consider that the people ahead of him on the 2015 rankings were Kris Bryant, Addison Russell, Kyle Schwarber, Jorge Soler, and Carl Edwards. 4 of those players graduated to the majors, and the other (Edwards), fell out of the Top 10 all together. That tells you a lot about how Billy McKinney has fared over the last year and a half, and also how much better everyone else got while he did not.

 

In the end, I don't care about McKinney. Or Warren. Or that other guy I had never heard of. Torres was a nice player, but I just don't see him being a standout major leaguer. Obviously the big issue is we feel we should have gotten more for Torres than two months of Chapman. I get it, but the fact that we still have so many prospects in the system that we can still get almost whatever we want makes this deal fine with me. We needed a guy like Chapman, plain and simple. When the rest of your team is so well built that a reliever is the guy you give up your top prospect for, it's saying something about the quality of your team.

 

P.S. It was difficult, but I left out a whole bunch of gun analogies in this post because I'm a classy guy.