Cubs add Chapman for Torres, et al. imb wishes we paid more

[JennieGarthAlgar]

I'm going to get horsefeathers for this, but I don't care. This doesn't look like a woman who was beaten or choked, I'm sorry. Something obviously happened and that sucks. But maybe just maybe some people gotta tone down the rhetoric.

 

http://i.imgur.com/RCqPANY.jpg

Edited July 25, 2016 by JennieGarthAlgar

[RynoRules]

TWO MAIN TAKEAWAYS

 

ONE

i understand "well this is the market," but if this is the market for two months of a reliever, years of a starter is going to be even more nightmarish. we are most likely going to have to make one of those trades eventually (and could have right now). not having torres will make that harder. i agree that he's overrated and blocked, but if other teams value him highly, i wish we would have used him to get someone at a more important position who will be around for longer.

 

TWO

i'm also honestly just really disappointed that our big deadline acquisition is a piece of [expletive] who abuses women. this is supposed to be fun and i was all excited to see what cool new player got added to the team. now it's a guy who i wish was in prison. this absolutely makes this team and this season less fun for me. i'm not going to stop watching, but i'm already dreading the conversations with my mom and my girlfriend about the new cub everyone is so excited about.

 

 

This. Especially when you throw-in what a good group these guys seem to be and how much fun they are unquestionably having.

[Cubswin11]

So around twitter and on the radio today everyone is saying Cubs land their new closer Aroldis Chapman.

 

I think the Cubs should be using Chapman as the ultimate fireman in the highest leverage situations & against stud lefties. Inning be damned. If its the 9th then well its the 9th.

 

The Cubs blowout so many teams it would be pretty meh to only use him as a closer, look at that stretch where Rondon was barely ever pitching except to get some reps in a game up by 5 runs.

 

I want to use our shiny toy when the games are on the line, whether its the 6th with bases loaded no outs, 8th inning in a 1 run game, etc.

I'd be very shocked if they only ever use in him the 9th inning/save situations. Especially in the playoffs

[squally1313]

Stop. Just seriously, think about what you're doing right now. Is that where you want to end up on this?

 

Edit: Didn't want to quote his post, but hopefully it's clear who I'm responding to.

Edited July 25, 2016 by squally1313

[UMFan83]

So around twitter and on the radio today everyone is saying Cubs land their new closer Aroldis Chapman.

 

I think the Cubs should be using Chapman as the ultimate fireman in the highest leverage situations & against stud lefties. Inning be damned. If its the 9th then well its the 9th.

 

The Cubs blowout so many teams it would be pretty meh to only use him as a closer, look at that stretch where Rondon was barely ever pitching except to get some reps in a game up by 5 runs.

 

I want to use our shiny toy when the games are on the line, whether its the 6th with bases loaded no outs, 8th inning in a 1 run game, etc.

I'd be very shocked if they only ever use in him the 9th inning/save situations. Especially in the playoffs

 

I said this earlier but I think Chapman should be the defacto closer but used situationally in high leverage situations against LHB as needed. In those situations Rondon switches to closer.

 

Technically he could be used in all high leverage situations, but the Cubs have multiple guys that kill righties so i think its ok to save Chapman for the final 3 outs in those situations but would be willing to do either. I just think Chapman wants to close and if we want to resign him this might be a good compromise:

 

OPS against (very basic stat I know) vs. RHB

 

Edwards: .352 (VSSS)

Rondon: .379

Strop: .445

Edited July 25, 2016 by UMFan83

[rocket]

I'm going to get [expletive] for this, but I don't care. This doesn't look like a woman who was beaten or choked, I'm sorry. Something obviously happened and that sucks. But maybe just maybe some people gotta tone down the rhetoric.

 

 

dude, i'm happy overall with the aroldis trade, but just don't.

[Banedon]

I'm going to get [expletive] for this, but I don't care. This doesn't look like a woman who was beaten or choked, I'm sorry. Something obviously happened and that sucks. But maybe just maybe some people gotta tone down the rhetoric.

 

Thoughts like this are the reason why domestic violence is so easily overlooked or disregarded.

[squally1313]

So around twitter and on the radio today everyone is saying Cubs land their new closer Aroldis Chapman.

 

I think the Cubs should be using Chapman as the ultimate fireman in the highest leverage situations & against stud lefties. Inning be damned. If its the 9th then well its the 9th.

 

The Cubs blowout so many teams it would be pretty meh to only use him as a closer, look at that stretch where Rondon was barely ever pitching except to get some reps in a game up by 5 runs.

 

I want to use our shiny toy when the games are on the line, whether its the 6th with bases loaded no outs, 8th inning in a 1 run game, etc.

I'd be very shocked if they only ever use in him the 9th inning/save situations. Especially in the playoffs

 

I said this earlier but I think Chapman should be the defacto closer but used situationally in high leverage situations against LHB as needed. In those situations Rondon switches to closer.

 

This isn't just because I'm against the trade, but is this strategy something that's way easier to pull off in theory vs reality? Obviously you want Chapman pitching the most important at bat of every game, but those moments sometimes tend to develop pretty quickly. Maddon is the best in the game and I'm happy it's him trying to figure out the best way to use him, but you can't just have him throwing on the side for the last 4 innings of every close game.

[JennieGarthAlgar]

Stop. Just seriously, think about what you're doing right now. Is that where you want to end up on this?

 

Edit: Didn't want to quote his post, but hopefully it's clear who I'm responding to.

 

I get it, but people are saying he beats women (plural) and should be in prison and basically not given a second chance. I don't agree with that. Are any of you employers? Would you not hire someone who has served their sentence?

[Liam Neeson]

those that peruse the Cardinals forums, what are their reactions?

 

http://i.imgur.com/QsP8XNI.gif

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Stop. Just seriously, think about what you're doing right now. Is that where you want to end up on this?

 

Edit: Didn't want to quote his post, but hopefully it's clear who I'm responding to.

 

I get it, but people are saying he beats women (plural) and should be in prison and basically not given a second chance. I don't agree with that. Are any of you employers? Would you not hire someone who has served their sentence?

yes, some people may be exaggerating, but don't be an apologist for crying out loud

[minnesotacubsfan]

TWO MAIN TAKEAWAYS

 

ONE

i understand "well this is the market," but if this is the market for two months of a reliever, years of a starter is going to be even more nightmarish. we are most likely going to have to make one of those trades eventually (and could have right now). not having torres will make that harder. i agree that he's overrated and blocked, but if other teams value him highly, i wish we would have used him to get someone at a more important position who will be around for longer.

 

TWO

i'm also honestly just really disappointed that our big deadline acquisition is a piece of [expletive] who abuses women. this is supposed to be fun and i was all excited to see what cool new player got added to the team. now it's a guy who i wish was in prison. this absolutely makes this team and this season less fun for me. i'm not going to stop watching, but i'm already dreading the conversations with my mom and my girlfriend about the new cub everyone is so excited about.

1. this isnt A reliever, this is THE reliever

 

2. hes a pos and that sucks

[UMFan83]

I'd be very shocked if they only ever use in him the 9th inning/save situations. Especially in the playoffs

 

I said this earlier but I think Chapman should be the defacto closer but used situationally in high leverage situations against LHB as needed. In those situations Rondon switches to closer.

 

This isn't just because I'm against the trade, but is this strategy something that's way easier to pull off in theory vs reality? Obviously you want Chapman pitching the most important at bat of every game, but those moments sometimes tend to develop pretty quickly. Maddon is the best in the game and I'm happy it's him trying to figure out the best way to use him, but you can't just have him throwing on the side for the last 4 innings of every close game.

 

No you can't, but the concept of a LOOGY is hardly a new idea. Not that we would use him as a LOOGY, it would more likely be a few batters.

 

I dunno, maybe that's the wrong way to look at it, but I really want a guy that can come in to shut down lefties. Particularly if we play someone like the Nats, whose 2 best hitters are left handed.

[rocket]

Stop. Just seriously, think about what you're doing right now. Is that where you want to end up on this?

 

Edit: Didn't want to quote his post, but hopefully it's clear who I'm responding to.

 

I get it, but people are saying he beats women (plural) and should be in prison and basically not given a second chance. I don't agree with that. Are any of you employers? Would you not hire someone who has served their sentence?

 

no i would not hire someone who shot a gun 8 times after choking his girlfriend.

 

and chapman was already given a second chance before this trade happened.

[Cubswin11]

So around twitter and on the radio today everyone is saying Cubs land their new closer Aroldis Chapman.

 

I think the Cubs should be using Chapman as the ultimate fireman in the highest leverage situations & against stud lefties. Inning be damned. If its the 9th then well its the 9th.

 

The Cubs blowout so many teams it would be pretty meh to only use him as a closer, look at that stretch where Rondon was barely ever pitching except to get some reps in a game up by 5 runs.

 

I want to use our shiny toy when the games are on the line, whether its the 6th with bases loaded no outs, 8th inning in a 1 run game, etc.

I'd be very shocked if they only ever use in him the 9th inning/save situations. Especially in the playoffs

 

I said this earlier but I think Chapman should be the defacto closer but used situationally in high leverage situations against LHB as needed. In those situations Rondon switches to closer.

 

Technically he could be used in all high leverage situations, but the Cubs have multiple guys that kill righties so i think its ok to save Chapman for the final 3 outs in those situations but would be willing to do either. I just think Chapman wants to close and if we want to resign him this might be a good compromise:

 

OPS against (very basic stat I know) vs. RHB

 

Edwards: .352 (VSSS)

Rondon: .379

Strop: .445

I mostly agree with this, it's going to be situational but he's not just going to "close" games. I could especially see a scenario in the playoffs where say Lackey/Hendricks goes through 5 innings and we are playing the Giants then Crawford/Posey/Belt are due up in the 6th. I could definitely see Chapman coming in to pitch the 6th and 7th inning of that game then finish it off with Strop/Montgomery/Wood/Edwards and Rondon in the 8th/9th.

Edited July 25, 2016 by Cubswin11

[imb]

Stop. Just seriously, think about what you're doing right now. Is that where you want to end up on this?

 

Edit: Didn't want to quote his post, but hopefully it's clear who I'm responding to.

 

I get it, but people are saying he beats women (plural) and should be in prison and basically not given a second chance. I don't agree with that. Are any of you employers? Would you not hire someone who has served their sentence?

 

remember that episode of the office when they found out they were getting some govt reimbursement because they had absorbed that other branch and one of their guys was a convicted felon? maybe that's an inefficiency we're getting on

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm going to get [expletive] for this, but I don't care.

 

Yes, you are. horsefeathers off with that [expletive].

[squally1313]

Stop. Just seriously, think about what you're doing right now. Is that where you want to end up on this?

 

Edit: Didn't want to quote his post, but hopefully it's clear who I'm responding to.

 

I get it, but people are saying he beats women (plural) and should be in prison and basically not given a second chance. I don't agree with that. Are any of you employers? Would you not hire someone who has served their sentence?

 

Well the prison thing is a whole different discussion. Him accepting the 30 suspension without much argument seems pretty telling, but I haven't done a deep dive of the evidence.

 

Yeah, you're right...you can't blackball everyone who's committed a crime. But I generally prefer likable people to play for the teams I like. I hated this dude when Rizzo went after him a couple years ago, and that was nothing compared to (at best) going into garage and firing his gun into the wall multiple times during an argument with his girlfriend. Sure, serve your sentence, and come back if someone wants to hire you. I'd just (strongly) prefer it wasn't here.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'm going to get [expletive] for this, but I don't care. This doesn't look like a woman who was beaten or choked, I'm sorry. Something obviously happened and that sucks. But maybe just maybe some people gotta tone down the rhetoric.

 

You might not be wrong, but I don't think it particularly matters. Chapman is not a good guy, this is the worst but not the only data point in that regard. He put his hands around the woman's neck as part of an argument, shot a gun in frustration, and (this might be a previous incident) hurt his hand punching a car window. Anyone not comfortable or happy with him on the team because of it is not unjustified, especially given the culture around domestic violence and extra especially with celebrities/athletes. It doesn't mean that's the one true interpretation, but debating the minutiae of that incident is not a winning argument, because even if you're right the people upset are still not wrong.

[Elrhino]

The difference between Chapman and Rondon as a "closer" is probably overstated. The difference it makes on the rest of your bullpen as each guy moves one spot down the pecking order and upgrades the previous option is probably under rated. If the depth of your bullepn gives you confidence to pull a struggling starting pitcher an inning early which prevents a problematic inning, it's as effective as stopping a problematic inning. I think Maddon will be in the situation of having to find work for Grimm, Wood and Edwards. There's no sense in sticking with struggling starters who are getting high in pitch counts in the mid innings.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

I said this earlier but I think Chapman should be the defacto closer but used situationally in high leverage situations against LHB as needed. In those situations Rondon switches to closer.

 

This isn't just because I'm against the trade, but is this strategy something that's way easier to pull off in theory vs reality? Obviously you want Chapman pitching the most important at bat of every game, but those moments sometimes tend to develop pretty quickly. Maddon is the best in the game and I'm happy it's him trying to figure out the best way to use him, but you can't just have him throwing on the side for the last 4 innings of every close game.

 

No you can't, but the concept of a LOOGY is hardly a new idea. Not that we would use him as a LOOGY, it would more likely be a few batters.

 

I dunno, maybe that's the wrong way to look at it, but I really want a guy that can come in to shut down lefties. Particularly if we play someone like the Nats, whose 2 best hitters are left handed.

 

 

this is something I wonder if Maddon will consider: putting Chapman into the highest pressure situations that arise regardless of inning, 7,8, or 9. Say you're up by 1, 2 guys on, 1 out and Harber and Murphy are coming up in the 7th. Could Maddon become as free thinking with his use of the bullpen as he can be with position players? Why pitch Stroop there when you have that much heat at your disposal?

[rocket]

my love for rizzo, bryant, arrieta, russell, schwarber, baez, fowler, etc. outweigh my dislike of chapman. but i totally get that not being the case for every cubs fan.

[JennieGarthAlgar]

I've said my piece and I'm truly sorry if its outraged anyone. I don't condone violence against women, or anyone really. I only suggest people actually look at the facts before coming to a judgement and saying someone "beats women" as if this is a trend and he just can't help himself. And also that I believe in second chances, as does Theo (whom everyone here trusts explicitly). Thats all. He wouldn't get a 3rd chance from me.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I love how I keep hearing how big of a haul this is for the Yankees and what it means for other trades, but what they all fail to mention is that it was a whole bunch of suck along with Torres

[rocket]

I've said my piece and I'm truly sorry if its outraged anyone. I don't condone violence against women, or anyone really. I only suggest people actually look at the facts before coming to a judgement and saying someone "beats women" as if this is a trend and he just can't help himself. And also that I believe in second chances, as does Theo (whom everyone here trusts explicitly). Thats all. He wouldn't get a 3rd chance from me.

 

being traded to the cubs is not a second chance