Cubs add Chapman for Torres, et al. imb wishes we paid more

[UK]

I think they have much longer than a 2 year window (they will need to find a couple new starters in the next couple years, that can be accomplished with money and other trades pretty easily)

 

They will have lost Deliverance and Hammel, Lester will be declining as Arrieta likely will be as well with Kyle in his prime. They'll likely need a top 15 WAR starter at that point, which would create another window.

I have great faith that the FO will be able to patch together a good enough rotation to support what should be a dominating offense for a long time.

 

I do too but there's nothing in the pipeline beyond trading/FA.

[JennieGarthAlgar]

 

I'm in no way disputing the actual talent of Chapman. Just the time we have him under control. Chapman the baseball player is an amazing addition and right up there with anybody we could have reasonably acquired.

 

well sometimes you need to win the world series and not worry as much about winning the award for most team control. 90 percent of our team is controlled for the next half-decade.

 

how much do you think this increases the chances the cubs win the WS this year?

 

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[David]

thank you, that's the guy I was thinking of earlier. I was still scouring the Brewers roster, forgetting he's the one who helped kill Schwarber

Hate that guy.

Jean Segura also joins the Billy Hamilton Club of Extremely Mediocre HItters who Inexplicably Kill the Cubs

 

Jean Segura is hitting .316/.364/.451 with a .352 wOBA

 

He is nothing at all like those other guys. He sucked in 2014-15, but he seems to have found whatever he lost after 2013.

[Tim]

 

They will have lost Deliverance and Hammel, Lester will be declining as Arrieta likely will be as well with Kyle in his prime. They'll likely need a top 15 WAR starter at that point, which would create another window.

I have great faith that the FO will be able to patch together a good enough rotation to support what should be a dominating offense for a long time.

 

I do too but there's nothing in the pipeline beyond trading/FA.

I wouldn't say nothing. I also wouldn't say our next great pitcher is definitely in the system. But De La Cruz, Cease and Albertos are all varying amounts of interesting, though there is obviously great amounts of uncertainty with each of them. Assuming they actually found a mechanical adjustment for Matusz, I'm very curious to see what he can do.

 

Maybe Otani will get posted. :beg:

[Tracer Bullet]

 

well sometimes you need to win the world series and not worry as much about winning the award for most team control. 90 percent of our team is controlled for the next half-decade.

 

how much do you think this increases the chances the cubs win the WS this year?

 

how much would any move have increased our chances? I think this increases it as much or more than any other single possible move we could have realistically made.

 

i think i agree with that, though i don't think i have much info about what trades could realistically have been made. i mean, if we were willing to deal schwarber, what options open up? i guess i just don't know how much this really moved the dial, in terms of this team winning anything. And if you can trade Torres for something that helps a little less this year but also helps next year and the next year, etc, is that better? I don't know, but I think maybe it is.

 

Added bonus if that thing also doesn't choke women.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So since last season ended, to an already good team, Epstein has added Heyward, Lackey, Zobrist, Chapman and Montgomery plus re-upped Fowler after he appeared gone.

 

I love Win Mode Theo. This is exactly who I admired in Boston.

[Tim]

 

how much do you think this increases the chances the cubs win the WS this year?

 

how much would any move have increased our chances? I think this increases it as much or more than any other single possible move we could have realistically made.

 

i think i agree with that, though i don't think i have much info about what trades could realistically have been made. i mean, if we were willing to deal schwarber, what options open up? i guess i just don't know how much this really moved the dial, in terms of this team winning anything. And if you can trade Torres for something that helps a little less this year but also helps next year and the next year, etc, is that better? I don't know, but I think maybe it is.

 

Added bonus if that thing also doesn't choke women.

Would making one trade that included Archer and Colome count as one move?

[Bryants Disco Ball]

So since last season ended, to an already good team, Epstein has added Heyward, Lackey, Zobrist, Chapman and Montgomery plus re-upped Fowler after he appeared gone.

 

I love Win Mode Theo. This is exactly who I admired in Boston.

 

Your patience has finally paid off.

[Elrhino]

 

well sometimes you need to win the world series and not worry as much about winning the award for most team control. 90 percent of our team is controlled for the next half-decade.

 

how much do you think this increases the chances the cubs win the WS this year?

 

how much would any move have increased our chances? I think this increases it as much or more than any other single possible move we could have realistically made.

 

And small percentages mean something when you're dealing with zero sum outcomes where results are either catastrophic or wonderful, like a highly leveraged situations late in games in the playoffs (or vote differential Presidential Elections). It may be a "2 month rental" but October 2017 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All games from 2010-2014 Combined.

 

The franchsie has moved past the stage of Theo making trades involving low risk, high ceiling fliers where the only thing it costs if the aquired player flames out is whatever it took to trade for him. We have to trade for low risk/extremely high ceiling players now to improve this team. You're not going to get those kinds of players at a discount.

Edited July 25, 2016 by Elrhino

[imb]

 

how much would any move have increased our chances? I think this increases it as much or more than any other single possible move we could have realistically made.

 

i think i agree with that, though i don't think i have much info about what trades could realistically have been made. i mean, if we were willing to deal schwarber, what options open up? i guess i just don't know how much this really moved the dial, in terms of this team winning anything. And if you can trade Torres for something that helps a little less this year but also helps next year and the next year, etc, is that better? I don't know, but I think maybe it is.

 

Added bonus if that thing also doesn't choke women.

Would making one trade that included Archer and Colome count as one move?

 

i guess it comes down to that either A.) wasn't an option or B.) the front office determined those two werent worth the asking price. im ok with either

[d_money]

I like that Chapman is only 28. Let's get him locked up!

[Cubswin11]

Idk how to value it but we also did just potentially keep Chapman off all the other NL playoff teams/home field advantage competitors since the Nats, Cardinals, Giants, Dodgers and Mets were all rumored to be in on him at some point. Which has to be worth something. Edited July 25, 2016 by Cubswin11

[JennieGarthAlgar]

I like that Chapman is only 28. Let's get him locked up...

 

...in jail!

 

-half of the posters here

[Banedon]

I like that Chapman is only 28. Let's get him locked up...

 

...in jail!

 

-half of the posters here

 

Hahaha, it's funny when people have a moral objection to a guy being on their favorite baseball team that is a domestic violence incident in his recent history.

 

Good one.

[CyHawk_Cub]

I would've preferred to use our top prospects to acquire starting pitching controlled beyond 2017, and this means there's one less piece to do so. However, I'm still pumped to see Chapman dealing 100+ mph heaters for us down the stretch. I'll just enjoy his 2+ months here & hope we get a World Series along the way.

[squally1313]

 

i think i agree with that, though i don't think i have much info about what trades could realistically have been made. i mean, if we were willing to deal schwarber, what options open up? i guess i just don't know how much this really moved the dial, in terms of this team winning anything. And if you can trade Torres for something that helps a little less this year but also helps next year and the next year, etc, is that better? I don't know, but I think maybe it is.

 

Added bonus if that thing also doesn't choke women.

Would making one trade that included Archer and Colome count as one move?

 

i guess it comes down to that either A.) wasn't an option or B.) the front office determined those two werent worth the asking price. im ok with either

 

Yeah, at the end of the day, Theo is incredibly good at his job, and that's basically the trump card in any argument on this. But I think everyone here realizes the answer to Tim's original question is that it doesn't move the needle much at all, nor would any realistic trade, for this year's World Series. And assuming this trade doesn't come with an extension, there's no way it makes us better from 2017 on, so it just strikes me as contradictory to Theo's stated goal of 'making the playoffs as many times as possible'. Obviously he thought the slight uptick this year was worth any potential sacrifice down the road. We'll see how it goes. And, as others have said, this is before all the personal horsefeathers.

[Omar]

Chapman down.

 

Now give us Chris Sale.

[Cubbie Swagger]

The playoffs might be a crapshoot, but I have a hard time believing that having a guy like Aroldis Chapman in your bullpen doesn't move the needle. Just one inning, or even one batter, could make all the difference in a playoff series.

[ncstatecubs]

Those of you slitting your wrists over losing Torres....you realize the Yankees will be ecstatic if he ends up being as good as Javy Baez...OUR SECOND BEST SHORTSTOP.

 

:flythew: :flythew: :flythew:

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Idk how to value it but we also did just potentially keep Chapman off all the other NL playoff teams/home field advantage competitors since the Nats, Cardinals, Giants, Dodgers and Mets were all rumored to be in on him at some point. Which has to be worth something.

 

I did find myself thinking about that recently. I didn't like thinking about facing him in a close game come the postseason.

 

I also don't know what value to place on that, but I do value knowing it is a situation that can't happen now.

[Cubbie Swagger]

BTW, if the forum hadn't crashed, I could pull up my post from the off-season (before the domestic violence thing) where I said the Cubs needed a proven dominant closer like Aroldis Chapman to shut folks down in the playoffs. I said that I didn't feel confident in our bullpen. The general consensus seemed to be that our bullpen was very good and that it didn't make sense to spend big money on a closer when we already have Rondon.

[squally1313]

BTW, if the forum hadn't crashed, I could pull up my post from the off-season (before the domestic violence thing) where I said the Cubs needed a proven dominant closer like Aroldis Chapman to shut folks down in the playoffs. I said that I didn't feel confident in our bullpen. The general consensus seemed to be that our bullpen was very good and that it didn't make sense to spend big money on a closer when we already have Rondon.

 

Jesus Christ.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I don't love the idea of giving up an elite prospect for an elite rental, but I love that we're in position to do so and remain in position to do so for the foreseeable future.

[Banedon]

BTW, if the forum hadn't crashed, I could pull up my post from the off-season (before the domestic violence thing) where I said the Cubs needed a proven dominant closer like Aroldis Chapman to shut folks down in the playoffs. I said that I didn't feel confident in our bullpen. The general consensus seemed to be that our bullpen was very good and that it didn't make sense to spend big money on a closer when we already have Rondon.

 

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[Transmogrified Tiger]

The Cubs now have 3 of the top 14 relievers in K%, 3 of the Top 8 in the NL.