Cubs add Chapman for Torres, et al. imb wishes we paid more

[David]

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funny that jesse had to clear that up.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I don't know. Maybe Theo thinks he still needs to do moves to make sure we actually wrap up the division and isn't just assuming anything despite the 94 percent odds.

 

Maybe he values getting the top seed and the chance to play the Wild Card winner without their ace for Game 1.

 

And he probably figured he'd rather have the close innings of a playoff game go more in our favor should a certain series happen to play out like that.

 

It's all I got.

[BigSlick]

If the deal is what was announced on the Score right now, Gleyber Torres, Adam Warren and 2 others for 2 months of Chapman and no guarantee of an extensions, it's absolutely terrible from a baseball perspective.

 

Christ

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I don't know. Maybe Theo thinks he still needs to do moves to make sure we actually wrap up the division and isn't just assuming anything despite the 94 percent odds.

 

Maybe he values getting the top seed and the chance to play the Wild Card winner without their ace for Game 1.

 

And he probably figured he'd rather have the close innings of a playoff game go more in our favor should a certain series happen to play out like that.

 

It's all I got.

are you still trying to figure out why we would want to trade for an elite relief pitcher???

[jersey cubs fan]

If the deal is what was announced on the Score right now, Gleyber Torres, Adam Warren and 2 others for 2 months of Chapman and no guarantee of an extensions, it's absolutely terrible from a baseball perspective.

 

Christ

 

I'm not sure that's all that terrible from a baseball perspective.

[Hrubes20]

If the deal is what was announced on the Score right now, Gleyber Torres, Adam Warren and 2 others for 2 months of Chapman and no guarantee of an extensions, it's absolutely terrible from a baseball perspective.

 

Christ

 

I've seen that framework a few places now. And I agree. Just horsefeathering terrible.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I don't know. Maybe Theo thinks he still needs to do moves to make sure we actually wrap up the division and isn't just assuming anything despite the 94 percent odds.

 

Maybe he values getting the top seed and the chance to play the Wild Card winner without their ace for Game 1.

 

And he probably figured he'd rather have the close innings of a playoff game go more in our favor should a certain series happen to play out like that.

 

It's all I got.

are you still trying to figure out why we would want to trade for an elite relief pitcher???

 

I am, only because Theo is a crapshoot believer and this goes so against everything crapshooters believe in.

[bcl412]

I don't know [expletive] about baseball compared to many here but i can't that emotional over losing a current single a player.

it's not about "Torres", it's the perceived value of each piece. Chapman is only signed through the end of the year so the concern is that, while he is a tremendous value, we may be parting with more value than we should for the marginal short-term upgrade

I understand the criticisms of the trade but i think there's a bit of hyperbole being used in this thread. I mean, Chapman is really horsefeathering good.

[Brian]

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funny that jesse had to clear that up.

 

that's gotta be Rizzo

[Thusly Boned]

I don't know [expletive] about baseball compared to many here but i can't that emotional over losing a current single a player.

it's not about "Torres", it's the perceived value of each piece. Chapman is only signed through the end of the year so the concern is that, while he is a tremendous value, we may be parting with more value than we should for the marginal short-term upgrade

I understand the criticisms of the trade but i think there's a bit of hyperbole being used in this thread. I mean, Chapman is really [expletive] good.

 

Yeah, the rumored price is tough to swallow, but this would be a massive upgrade to the weakest part of the team, if only for the rest of the season.

[JennieGarthAlgar]

I don't know. Maybe Theo thinks he still needs to do moves to make sure we actually wrap up the division and isn't just assuming anything despite the 94 percent odds.

 

Maybe he values getting the top seed and the chance to play the Wild Card winner without their ace for Game 1.

 

And he probably figured he'd rather have the close innings of a playoff game go more in our favor should a certain series happen to play out like that.

 

It's all I got.

 

Maybe he doesn't want to get eliminated by Daniel Murphy again?

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't know. Maybe Theo thinks he still needs to do moves to make sure we actually wrap up the division and isn't just assuming anything despite the 94 percent odds.

 

Maybe he values getting the top seed and the chance to play the Wild Card winner without their ace for Game 1.

 

And he probably figured he'd rather have the close innings of a playoff game go more in our favor should a certain series happen to play out like that.

 

It's all I got.

are you still trying to figure out why we would want to trade for an elite relief pitcher???

 

I am, only because Theo is a crapshoot believer and this goes so against everything crapshooters believe in.

Not all crapshoot believers toe the company line. You build a team to give you as many chances at making the playoffs as possible.

 

 

But you also go all in when you feel good about your chances. Theo's done plenty of this in his career.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I don't know. Maybe Theo thinks he still needs to do moves to make sure we actually wrap up the division and isn't just assuming anything despite the 94 percent odds.

 

Maybe he values getting the top seed and the chance to play the Wild Card winner without their ace for Game 1.

 

And he probably figured he'd rather have the close innings of a playoff game go more in our favor should a certain series happen to play out like that.

 

It's all I got.

are you still trying to figure out why we would want to trade for an elite relief pitcher???

 

I am, only because Theo is a crapshoot believer and this goes so against everything crapshooters believe in.

you seem to be thinking of it as a straight up coin flip where talent doesn't matter at all, just luck. it's true that playoff series do not always end with the "best" team winning or team with the best record, but your odds of winning any game increase when you better the talent you have. you add talent to better your record from year to year, you add talent to improve your chances of winning in the playoffs. it's not rocket surgery.

[Agony and Ivy]

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funny that jesse had to clear that up.

 

that's gotta be Rizzo

 

Nah he was sexting with LaStella.

[David]

I don't know. Maybe Theo thinks he still needs to do moves to make sure we actually wrap up the division and isn't just assuming anything despite the 94 percent odds.

 

Maybe he values getting the top seed and the chance to play the Wild Card winner without their ace for Game 1.

 

And he probably figured he'd rather have the close innings of a playoff game go more in our favor should a certain series happen to play out like that.

 

It's all I got.

are you still trying to figure out why we would want to trade for an elite relief pitcher???

 

I am, only because Theo is a crapshoot believer and this goes so against everything crapshooters believe in.

 

Yeah, TBH, this still confuses me. But it's not about Gleyber's future value to us so much as it is the fact that he could possibly fill a far more pressing need in the future, like if, say, next year we don't have a playoff berth locked down in May and we need to make a trade to help secure one.

[Banedon]

I don't know [expletive] about baseball compared to many here but i can't that emotional over losing a current single a player.

it's not about "Torres", it's the perceived value of each piece. Chapman is only signed through the end of the year so the concern is that, while he is a tremendous value, we may be parting with more value than we should for the marginal short-term upgrade

I understand the criticisms of the trade but i think there's a bit of hyperbole being used in this thread. I mean, Chapman is really [expletive] good.

 

There may be some hyperbole, but there's a lot of justification as well. People talking themselves into being ok with paying too much.

[David]

are you still trying to figure out why we would want to trade for an elite relief pitcher???

 

I am, only because Theo is a crapshoot believer and this goes so against everything crapshooters believe in.

Not all crapshoot believers toe the company line. You build a team to give you as many chances at making the playoffs as possible.

 

 

But you also go all in when you feel good about your chances. Theo's done plenty of this in his career.

 

I'm not sure he's done it to this extent, but I'm also not sure he's acquired a player as dominant at what he does as Chapman at a deadline before.

[Tim]

And Chapman isn't just a good (or even great) relief pitcher. If he is not #1, he is one of the most dominating relief pitchers in baseball history. He is a weapon at the end of games. He's proven he can go either multiple innings or multiple days in a row without losing his stuff. He's a difference maker.

 

He's also an ass, but that's a different subject that's been beaten to death already.

[Banedon]

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funny that jesse had to clear that up.

 

that's gotta be Rizzo

 

Nah he was sexting with LaStella.

 

That's why he insists on the 3am nickname. That's their hookup time.

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

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funny that jesse had to clear that up.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

 

that's gotta be Rizzo

 

Nah he was sexting with LaStella.

 

That's why he insists on the 3am nickname. That's their hookup time.

you guys stop. professional athletes aren't gay

[Bryants Disco Ball]

are you still trying to figure out why we would want to trade for an elite relief pitcher???

 

I am, only because Theo is a crapshoot believer and this goes so against everything crapshooters believe in.

you seem to be thinking of it as a straight up coin flip where talent doesn't matter at all, just luck. it's true that playoff series do not always end with the "best" team winning or team with the best record, but your odds of winning any game increase when you better the talent you have. you add talent to better your record from year to year, you add talent to improve your chances of winning in the playoffs. it's not rocket surgery.

 

That's what I thought as late as last year and many on this board converted me.

 

Again, many smart people on here have said you could add four great players and it doesn't increase the odds much. I suck at math so I just take their word for it.

[Thusly Boned]

it's not about "Torres", it's the perceived value of each piece. Chapman is only signed through the end of the year so the concern is that, while he is a tremendous value, we may be parting with more value than we should for the marginal short-term upgrade

I understand the criticisms of the trade but i think there's a bit of hyperbole being used in this thread. I mean, Chapman is really [expletive] good.

 

There may be some hyperbole, but there's a lot of justification as well. People talking themselves into being ok with paying too much.

 

There's a difference with tolerating something and being "okay" with it.

 

It was said a day or two ago that the fans of the team that acquired Chapman were not going to be happy with the cost, and boy were they right. But I can live with it, even if I don't like it.

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And Chapman isn't just a good (or even great) relief pitcher. If he is not #1, he is one of the most dominating relief pitchers in baseball history. He is a weapon at the end of games. He's proven he can go either multiple innings or multiple days in a row without losing his stuff. He's a difference maker.

 

He's also an ass, but that's a different subject that's been beaten to death already.

 

choked, but i don't think she died

[Ding Dong Johnson]

 

I am, only because Theo is a crapshoot believer and this goes so against everything crapshooters believe in.

you seem to be thinking of it as a straight up coin flip where talent doesn't matter at all, just luck. it's true that playoff series do not always end with the "best" team winning or team with the best record, but your odds of winning any game increase when you better the talent you have. you add talent to better your record from year to year, you add talent to improve your chances of winning in the playoffs. it's not rocket surgery.

 

That's what I thought as late as last year and many on this board converted me.

 

Again, many smart people on here have said you could add four great players and it doesn't increase the odds much. I suck at math so I just take their word for it.

nothing is a guarantee to make you win it all, but it certainly helps any time you get a chance to add an elite talent to a team weakness