Sale scratched from his start (7/23)...involved in "clubhouse incident" per White Sox

[David]

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Elite pitcher, great contract (under contract through 2017 at a very reasonable $12M next year + two very reasonable team option years under $14M each)...Peripherals down a little this year but going by what was said going into spring training, that's by design, and the results are still very good.

 

Is there a package we can put together, and is it a palatable one?

 

I kinda want to get a feel for what the people smarter than me here think before I try to gauge the value.

 

Sale would make our rotation so damn good.

Edited July 23, 2016 by David

[RammyFanny]

I think he meant it as "whitesox may consider (fire) sale" now. He doesn't mention Chris Sale in the article. Not that they shouldn't listen.

[David]

I think he meant it as "whitesox may consider (fire) sale" now. He doesn't mention Chris Sale in the article. Not that they shouldn't listen.

 

Good catch but I still want to talk about this lol

 

I know it'd be insanely hard, especially with Reinsdorf doing a bad Mike Ilitch impression.

[davell]

I think they'd let him rot before trading him to us.

 

In a situation where it was possible to actually acquire him? I'd give up Schwarber/Soler/Torres/Happ/Cease.

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

I think he meant it as "whitesox may consider (fire) sale" now. He doesn't mention Chris Sale in the article. Not that they shouldn't listen.

 

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[CubinNY]

Not as much as the Sox would want.

[David]

I think they'd let him rot before trading him to us.

 

In a situation where it was possible to actually acquire him? I'd give up Schwarber/Soler/Torres/Happ/Cease.

 

I'd do that too. I'd rather it be Baez than Schwarb, if possible somehow, but I'd do it.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

what if Quintana was the mystery Pomeranz target

[Tim]

I think they'd let him rot before trading him to us.

 

In a situation where it was possible to actually acquire him? I'd give up Schwarber/Soler/Torres/Happ/Cease.

 

I'd do that too. I'd rather it be Baez than Schwarb, if possible somehow, but I'd do it.

I would not do that. I just don't trust Sale to hold up long enough to make it worth giving up that much.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm sure someone smarter than me will come back and point all the reasons Sale is cruising to get pitcher AIDS or something, but I think he's awesome and would be fine with the Cubs trading nearly anyone for him, including Schwarber.

[davell]

I think they'd let him rot before trading him to us.

 

In a situation where it was possible to actually acquire him? I'd give up Schwarber/Soler/Torres/Happ/Cease.

 

I'd do that too. I'd rather it be Baez than Schwarb, if possible somehow, but I'd do it.

 

I'd move either. Not to derail the thread, but my guess is Javy has more value than Kyle currently. Injury, plus positional issues for Kyle being the reasoning. Could just be me being a Javy mark too though. Although Law and the FG guys have sided that way too at different points this season.

 

I'd move BOTH, plus Torres or Happ, plus Cease, if that's more than the other package I threw out. I love Sale.

[David]

I think they'd let him rot before trading him to us.

 

In a situation where it was possible to actually acquire him? I'd give up Schwarber/Soler/Torres/Happ/Cease.

 

I'd do that too. I'd rather it be Baez than Schwarb, if possible somehow, but I'd do it.

 

I'd move either. Not to derail the thread, but my guess is Javy has more value than Kyle currently. Injury, plus positional issues for Kyle being the reasoning. Could just be me being a Javy mark too though. Although Law and the FG guys have sided that way too at different points this season.

 

I'd move BOTH, plus Torres or Happ, plus Cease, if that's more than the other package I threw out. I love Sale.

 

if that's true, http://gifsoup.com/view/939509/trading-places-o.gif SELL HIGH

[David]

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[PackLandVA]

How 'bout a package with Voglebach as the centerpiece.

[Gmoney08]

I think he meant it as "whitesox may consider (fire) sale" now. He doesn't mention Chris Sale in the article. Not that they shouldn't listen.

 

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LOL, I was thinking the same thing!

[BigSlick]

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Thats very stupid of the White Sox to decline (because they're going to be mediocre for the forseeable future)

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Thats very stupid of the White Sox to decline (because they're going to be mediocre for the forseeable future)

one man's king's ransom is another man's commoner's harvest?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Knowing the White Sox, they'll probably decide to go for it and and trade a bunch of prospects for the carcasses of CC Sabbathia and A Rod.

[Clem Fandango]

If we're going hypothetical, I'd rather use all the names mentioned in this thread to target Jose Fernandez instead.

[apete6]

The absolute largest package I'd give up for Sale would be this and it's almost definitely too much to give up for 1 pitcher who could die tomorrow:

 

Schwarber, Happ, Torres

 

I don't know if the Sox would take that just because it's the Cubs. If Sale was on the Twins or something, they'd take that in a heartbeat.

[imb]

sale is frightening me this year. fip and xfip of nearly 4. K rate down, getting lucky on babip. the white sox dont care because his contract is cheap, but i would be afraid to give up a lot of assets for him

[David]

sale is frightening me this year. fip and xfip of nearly 4. K rate down, getting lucky on babip. the white sox dont care because his contract is cheap, but i would be afraid to give up a lot of assets for him

 

3.71 is not nearly 4. his stuff is damn good so he doesn't necessarily need to be getting lucky. his babip is right in line with hendricks and arrieta, who we believe to be gods of weak contact.

 

going into this season, before a single pitch was thrown, cooper and sale both said his goal was to pitch to contact more so he could last longer. chase strikeouts less. the numbers seem to reflect that and the results are still stellar.

 

his fastball is also in line with previous seasons and his pitch mix has seemingly narrowed.

[imb]

sale is frightening me this year. fip and xfip of nearly 4. K rate down, getting lucky on babip. the white sox dont care because his contract is cheap, but i would be afraid to give up a lot of assets for him

 

3.71 is not nearly 4.

 

Umm what

 

his stuff is damn good so he doesn't necessarily need to be getting lucky. his babip is right in line with hendricks and arrieta, who we believe to be gods of weak contact.

 

going into this season, before a single pitch was thrown, cooper and sale both said his goal was to pitch to contact more so he could last longer. chase strikeouts less. the numbers seem to reflect that and the results are still stellar.

 

his fastball is also in line with previous seasons and his pitch mix has seemingly narrowed.

 

oh man his plan to pitch to more contact has resulted in him being less effective and it's gotten him a whole 1/3rd of an inning more per start. so not only is he worse he's also dumb.

[David]

sale is frightening me this year. fip and xfip of nearly 4. K rate down, getting lucky on babip. the white sox dont care because his contract is cheap, but i would be afraid to give up a lot of assets for him

 

3.71 is not nearly 4.

 

Umm what

 

For the scale and purpose of this stat, 3.71 is way lower than 4. There's no way you don't realize this, right?

 

 

oh man his plan to pitch to more contact has resulted in him being less effective and it's gotten him a whole 1/3rd of an inning more per start. so not only is he worse he's also dumb.

 

Whether it's ill advised or not, he hasn't been less effective than last year.