New Benny, and Other changes (Bulls offseason)

[Sammy Sofa]

Didn't really show, unfortunately. Plus a lot of that seems like talk; plantar fasciitis is just this awful thing you're stuck with.

[Cubbie Swagger]

Didn't really show, unfortunately. Plus a lot of that seems like talk; plantar fasciitis is just this awful thing you're stuck with.

Well, from what I understand, it can be temporarily resolved by resting, right? That's what I was getting at. It will certainly come back, but isn't it possible that he is able to get through a season?

[Sammy Sofa]

Didn't really show, unfortunately. Plus a lot of that seems like talk; plantar fasciitis is just this awful thing you're stuck with.

Well, from what I understand, it can be temporarily resolved by resting, right? That's what I was getting at. It will certainly come back, but isn't it possible that he is able to get through a season?

 

It's less resting and more that sometimes it hurts to the point you can't run or walk on it and you have no choice but to scale back or stay off your feet. Physical activity can definitely exacerbate it, but it's not really "healed" or lessened by rest; you can spend a month being as careful as possible and then you go for a jog and it flares up again. You're basically at its mercy, and from what I've heard Noah's got it pretty bad.

Edited July 17, 2016 by Sammy Sofa

[Cubbie Swagger]

Didn't really show, unfortunately. Plus a lot of that seems like talk; plantar fasciitis is just this awful thing you're stuck with.

Well, from what I understand, it can be temporarily resolved by resting, right? That's what I was getting at. It will certainly come back, but isn't it possible that he is able to get through a season?

 

It's less resting and more that sometimes it hurts to the point you can't run or walk on it and you have no choice but to scale back or stay off your feet. Physical activity can't definitely exacerbate, but it's not really healed or lessened by rest; you can spend a month being as careful as possible and then you go for a jog and it flares up again. You're basically at its mercy, and from what I've heard Noah's got it pretty bad.

Hmm. Interesting.

 

Again, glad I'm not a Knicks fan.

[mul21]

That's not exactly true with PF. It certainly can linger, but it's treatable for sure. Tight calves are usually the culprit (for runners anyway) and this thing called a Strasburg sock along with stretching and icing is very effective. Mine was always worst when I got out of bed in the morning but would usually loosen up a lot after a few minutes of walking around.

[Cubbie Swagger]

It seems unlikely that it just comes and goes periodically. There have to be some contributing factors that cause it to become more or less severe.

 

I wonder if cell phones and/or sugar have anything to do with it?

[Sammy Sofa]

That's not exactly true with PF. It certainly can linger, but it's treatable for sure. Tight calves are usually the culprit (for runners anyway) and this thing called a Strasburg sock along with stretching and icing is very effective. Mine was always worst when I got out of bed in the morning but would usually loosen up a lot after a few minutes of walking around.

 

With Noah, it sounds like he has a pretty severe case and never went for the surgery and instead opted for the minimally invasive treatments, which can help manage it for months, but you still end up playing through pain. As far as I know he never got the surgery.

[Old Style]

I'm dealing with PF right now and it is a bitch. I now have a lot of sympathy for what Jo went through (although I always assumed it was bad if it made him miss games).

[Banedon]

I'm dealing with PF right now and it is a bitch. I now have a lot of sympathy for what Jo went through (although I always assumed it was bad if it made him miss games).

 

Imagine if your career required running and jumping heavily.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm dealing with PF right now and it is a bitch. I now have a lot of sympathy for what Jo went through (although I always assumed it was bad if it made him miss games).

 

Imagine if your career required running and jumping heavily.

 

Pretty much everything I know about it is my brother dealing with it; as much as I'm a slob he's always been in fantastic shape and plays multiple sports, but ever since this developed this he would get sidelined all the time because of the pain. He tried a lot of the short term therapies; which helped alleviate it a lot in his everyday life, but he couldn't play either for very long or not at all a LOT until he got the surgery, and even that combined with the other therapies took a good 6 months+ to deal with it. That much time off at a minimum for a professional athlete is presumably why Noah hasn't done it.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm dealing with PF right now and it is a bitch. I now have a lot of sympathy for what Jo went through (although I always assumed it was bad if it made him miss games).

 

Imagine if your career required running and jumping heavily.

Any time I run or jump I do so heavily.

[David]

I'm dealing with PF right now and it is a bitch. I now have a lot of sympathy for what Jo went through (although I always assumed it was bad if it made him miss games).

 

Imagine if your career required running and jumping heavily.

 

Pretty much everything I know about it is my brother dealing with it; as much as I'm a slob he's always been in fantastic shape and plays multiple sports, but ever since this developed this he would get sidelined all the time because of the pain. He tried a lot of the short term therapies; which helped alleviate it a lot in his everyday life, but he couldn't play either for very long or not at all a LOT until he got the surgery, and even that combined with the other therapies took a good 6 months+ to deal with it. That much time off at a minimum for a professional athlete is presumably why Noah hasn't done it.

 

This season would seemingly have been a good opportunity for him to have tried addressing it that way.

[Sammy Sofa]

 

Imagine if your career required running and jumping heavily.

 

Pretty much everything I know about it is my brother dealing with it; as much as I'm a slob he's always been in fantastic shape and plays multiple sports, but ever since this developed this he would get sidelined all the time because of the pain. He tried a lot of the short term therapies; which helped alleviate it a lot in his everyday life, but he couldn't play either for very long or not at all a LOT until he got the surgery, and even that combined with the other therapies took a good 6 months+ to deal with it. That much time off at a minimum for a professional athlete is presumably why Noah hasn't done it.

 

This season would seemingly have been a good opportunity for him to have tried addressing it that way.

 

Agreed. I thought if I did some searching I'd find news that he had it done. Maybe he did, but it wasn't reported.

 

There is the risk of nerve issues and heel pain after the surgery, so maybe he was concerned about that. My brother definitely has to deal with the heel pain; he can still play soccer and baseball, but basically stopped playing basketball because of it.

[Brian]

I never watched any of it and only read tweets about it and it most definitely means not much at all but it seem like the Bulls Summer League team was pretty good.

 

Denzel hit a buzzer beater OT championship (and undefeated season) clinching shot tonight.

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[apete6]

I never watched any of it and only read tweets about it and it most definitely means not much at all but it seem like the Bulls Summer League team was pretty good.

 

Denzel hit a buzzer beater OT championship (and undefeated season) clinching shot tonight.

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Honestly, the last few minutes of this game and OT were fun to watch. It means absolutely nothing, but Valentine hit 2 bonkers shots, the first to send it to OT on maybe the best designed last second out of bounds play I've seen since the Bryce Drew shot for Valpo, and the 2nd that is above. Good times!

[MarkR]

I used to run fairly regularly (3-5 miles multiple times per week). Plantar Fascitis hit. I now only run when I have to. I'm fine for 1-2 miles, but I go far enough and its no bueno for DAYS.

[UMFan83]

I never watched any of it and only read tweets about it and it most definitely means not much at all but it seem like the Bulls Summer League team was pretty good.

 

Denzel hit a buzzer beater OT championship (and undefeated season) clinching shot tonight.

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Honestly, the last few minutes of this game and OT were fun to watch. It means absolutely nothing, but Valentine hit 2 bonkers shots, the first to send it to OT on maybe the best designed last second out of bounds play I've seen since the Bryce Drew shot for Valpo, and the 2nd that is above. Good times!

 

Whats crazy is that he was (I believe) 1-8 shooting besides those 2 shots. Had a bad shooting game overall.

 

I've watched a bit of the games. Team was ok, but outside of Portis, I don't think any of the individual players had amazing performances. Grant couldn't shoot, Valentine couldn't either for the most part but he did a lot of other stuff well, Dinwiddie ran the offense well and got looks but also struggled shooting, Felicio was the biggest disappointment in my book, was often outworked and abused down low. But maybe I'm just expecting too much from a bunch of rookie/2nd year players, the quality of play is poor for all the teams I saw, lots of bad turnovers, iso ball, etc. Obviously the team was good enough to go undefeated so I'm probably off in my evaluation.

[David]

Whats crazy is that he was (I believe) 1-8 shooting besides those 2 shots. Had a bad shooting game overall.

 

So, he was 3 for 10...yeah, 30% isn't great in the long run, but he makes one more of those 7 shots and it's fine...two more and it's a "good" shooting night. This kinda illustrates why a statement like that (especially when you purposely take out two makes) is completely meaningless and silly. It's not a big deal but just a pet peeve for me so rather than bite my tongue I decided to be a dick about it.

[UMFan83]

Whats crazy is that he was (I believe) 1-8 shooting besides those 2 shots. Had a bad shooting game overall.

 

So, he was 3 for 10...yeah, 30% isn't great in the long run, but he makes one more of those 7 shots and it's fine...two more and it's a "good" shooting night. This kinda illustrates why a statement like that (especially when you purposely take out two makes) is completely meaningless and silly. It's not a big deal but just a pet peeve for me so rather than bite my tongue I decided to be a dick about it.

 

Hah, thanks

 

The only reason the number stood out to me was because when I turned it on he was 1-8 shooting and they were making a big deal about his poor shooting game. He just happened to make his last 2 shots which were of course both extremely clutch. So I guess you could say he salvaged a bad shooting game.

[Andy]

I used to run fairly regularly (3-5 miles multiple times per week). Plantar Fascitis hit. I now only run when I have to. I'm fine for 1-2 miles, but I go far enough and its no bueno for DAYS.

I picked up PF in early June in my right foot. Quickly grabbed some insoles designed for PF and they've been a godsend. I run a couple times a week, about 3 miles, and have had no major problems since.

[Cubbie Swagger]

I was just thinking about how the Bulls drafted Elton Brand, he put up 20 and 10 in each of his first two seasons in the league, and then we traded him for the rights to Tyson Chandler. I was 11 years old at the time, and I remember yelling, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!" at the TV when David Stern announced the trade. You know you're horsefeathering up when even little kids are smarter than you.

 

Then, we followed that up by drafting Lamarcus Aldridge and trading him for the rights to Tyrus Thomas.

 

I think I genuinely prefer the current GarPax strategy of signing recognizable names and drafting whoever the reigning college player of the year is.

[Sammy Sofa]

Sure, like one prefers a solid dump to fiery diarrhea.

[David]

I was just thinking about how the Bulls drafted Elton Brand, he put up 20 and 10 in each of his first two seasons in the league, and then we traded him for the rights to Tyson Chandler. I was 11 years old at the time, and I remember yelling, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!" at the TV when David Stern announced the trade. You know you're [expletive] up when even little kids are smarter than you.

 

Then, we followed that up by drafting Lamarcus Aldridge and trading him for the rights to Tyrus Thomas.

 

I think I genuinely prefer the current GarPax strategy of signing recognizable names and drafting whoever the reigning college player of the year is.

 

the tyrus thomas trade was like the one time that paxson's FO went with the risky (relative to draft position) high ceiling/low floor guy.

 

i definitely raised an eyebrow at the brand for chandler trade at the time and it definitely did not look good for the first few years, but tyson wound up putting together a very nice career, much to my surprise.

Edited July 19, 2016 by David

[David]

but yeah, even taking into account draft position, i think paxson's 1st round draft record looks pretty damn good even with (essentially) choosing thomas over aldridge.

 

hinrich, gordon/deng, thomas/thabo, noah, rose, johnson/taj, niko/butler, teague, snell, mcdermott, portis, valentine

 

aside from the obvious with tyrus, the biggest misses relative to draft position (teague was like 29th or 30th) are probably snell or james johnson but overall that's a solid hit rate...obviously the jury is still out on the more recent guys. despite people having higher hopes, if mcdermott can even forge a kyle korver type of career, i'd say you call that a hit.

[WrigleyField 22]

but yeah, even taking into account draft position, i think paxson's 1st round draft record looks pretty damn good even with (essentially) choosing thomas over aldridge.

 

hinrich, gordon/deng, thomas/thabo, noah, rose, johnson/taj, niko/butler, teague, snell, mcdermott, portis, valentine

 

aside from the obvious with tyrus, the biggest misses relative to draft position (teague was like 29th or 30th) are probably snell or james johnson but overall that's a solid hit rate...obviously the jury is still out on the more recent guys. despite people having higher hopes, if mcdermott can even forge a kyle korver type of career, i'd say you call that a hit.

And as much as Pax has rightfully gotten grief for overvaluing his own picks, he also managed to salvage some value from failed picks he was basically dumping (Sefalosha for a pick that became Taj, and Johnson into a pick that became Jimmy Butler, and Thomas for a pick which partially turned into McDermott)