New Benny, and Other changes (Bulls offseason)

[Tim]

That team also had Thibs.

[David]

 

In Rose's MVP season he was worth 13.1 wins, and a VORP of 6. Last year Jimmy was worth 9.1 wins (11.2 year before) and 4.2 VORP.

 

1) The number were closer than I thought so maybe I am underrating Jimmy a bit, but there's still a clear difference between the value of Rose in his MVP season and Jimmy, more than what you imply IMO.

2) I have no idea how accurate those numbers are at judging value in basketball, but they seem to be pretty relied on in baseball so I'll use them

 

I'm not differentiating the role players in 2010 from next offseason. In fact the players they get next year could be better. I just don't think there is much on the Bulls besides Jimmy that these FAs would be coming to whereas Booz, Brewer, Korver and Watson were joining a team that had Rose, Deng and Noah. Thus they are very unlikely to build a 62 win team from whats left in FA after the top guys spurn the Bulls.

 

 

FWIW, it gets closer if you account for playing time (and yeah, jimmy needs to figure out how to get into that 75-80 game range instead of 65-70) and i'm not sure with those metrics if they account for defense in any way (or effectively) or if they're mostly just measures of offensive efficiency combined with volume.

 

 

i think the gap between the existing assets on the 2009-10 team and the ones on the current team is narrower than you make it out to be.

Edited July 1, 2016 by David

[David]

That team also had Thibs.

 

a fair and significant point.

 

right now we have to just pray hoiberg isn't a completely incompetent buffoon as a HC.

[SouthSideRyan]

This is a few days old, but:

 

“It’s all about ’17 for them,’’ a league source said.

 

The hope is the Bulls will be competitive this upcoming season, showing off Butler and Lopez, along with youth like Doug McDermott, Grant, and Denzel Valentine, who they landed with the 14th overall pick Thursday. And will take that package into the 2017 offseason with cap space for possibly two maximum players in a summer loaded with talented free agents such as Stephen Curry, Russell Westbrook, Blake Griffin and Kyle Lowry.

 

Gotta say, knowing how unlikely this is to work and all the times we've seen it fail, it's still a wayyy more likely path to a superstar than "blow it up and draft one."

 

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/what-exactly-are-the-bulls-doing-waiting-for-2017-or-bust/

 

Having a garbage team and cap room worked out splendidly last time.

 

ETA: Well splendidly for me at least.

[SouthSideRyan]

This is a few days old, but:

 

 

 

Gotta say, knowing how unlikely this is to work and all the times we've seen it fail, it's still a wayyy more likely path to a superstar than "blow it up and draft one."

 

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/what-exactly-are-the-bulls-doing-waiting-for-2017-or-bust/

 

Do the Bulls have any players that are friends with those guys?

 

More importantly, this creepy weirdo is gone:

 

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/976011/d-rose-dance.gif

 

Bulls fans loved that so much in the moment. He's not here to dance and have fun, he only cares about winning LBJ!

 

Gah, beaten to the punch twice on this.

[UMFan83]

Rondo was in Chicago today and met with the Bulls

[Derwood]

Rondo was in Chicago today and met with the Bulls

 

:-&

[Andy]

Rondo was in Chicago today and met with the Bulls

If they wanted to tank, they should've traded Jimmy Butler

[SpongeWorthy]

Now we are in on wade lolwut

[Derwood]

Now we are in on wade lolwut

 

[davell]

horsefeathering horsefeathers. There's no semblance of a plan. Unless finishing 6-10 in the East for the foreseeable future is what they're gunning for.

[UMFan83]

And Moore spurned us for NO

[UMFan83]

[expletive] [expletive]. There's no semblance of a plan. Unless finishing 6-10 in the East for the foreseeable future is what they're gunning for.

 

Short term plan is acquire Wade and hope LeBron wants to do his Wade/Paul super team plan in Chicago since Wade is already here

[Bobson Dugnutt]

I'd be pretty shocked if Wade leaves Miami. This feels like he's using the Bulls for leverage.

[davell]

I'd be pretty shocked if Wade leaves Miami. This feels like he's using the Bulls for leverage.

 

Thank God he's never done that before!

[David]

Not gonna lie. Wade would be fun.

[Derwood]

Not gonna lie. Wade would be fun.

 

for about 35 games

[davell]

Not gonna lie. Wade would be fun.

 

You're definitely one of my favorite guys here- but you want to run the Bulls in a Hendry way.

[David]

Not gonna lie. Wade would be fun.

 

You're definitely one of my favorite guys here- but you want to run the Bulls in a Hendry way.

 

Basketball isn't baseball and it's so far from being anything like baseball that that comparison is complete nonsense for a ton of reasons.

 

That said, obviously Wade is old and isn't a great fit next to Jimmy basketball wise. I just said it'd be fun. Like fun to watch him play (until he finished breaking down at least).

[davell]

Not gonna lie. Wade would be fun.

 

You're definitely one of my favorite guys here- but you want to run the Bulls in a Hendry way.

 

Basketball isn't baseball.

 

True lol. But a Wade signing does little to move the needle now, due to likely injury and hurts the team for the vast majority of the deal.

 

And the ninja edit beats me lol

[17 Seconds]

what if kd secretly loved chicago and we signed him out of nowhere

[davell]

what if kd secretly loved chicago and we signed him out of nowhere

 

We can't sign an RKO out of no where, much less a Durant.

[UMFan83]

Rondo signed 2/28

[davell]

Rondo signed 2/28

 

Perfect tank move, aside from the fact our idiot FO is looking at it to compete.

[davell]

Ricky Odonnell-Was nearly hit by a car crossing the street while tweeting about the Bulls signing Rondo which would've been the most fitting death possible