New Benny, and Other changes (Bulls offseason)

[ChiCubsFan]

Wait, somebody tried arguing that Derrick Rose is not an idiot? I was, am, and probably always will be a fan of his to a certain extent, but come on.

[davell]

How ironic is it that of all the things Ryne Ween finds moronic or stupid, Derrick Rose isn't among them.

[Ryne Ween]

How ironic is it that of all the things Ryne Ween finds moronic or stupid, Derrick Rose isn't among them.

 

I want my objective measument that Rose is dumb I was promised that and I want it.

[UMFan83]

How ironic is it that of all the things Ryne Ween finds moronic or stupid, Derrick Rose isn't among them.

 

I want my objective measument that Rose is dumb I was promised that and I want it.

 

Unfortunately I can't do that because he had someone else take his SATs for him for some reason

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I don't follow the Bulls/NBA at all, and even I know Rose is dumber than a bag of hammers

[Banedon]

How ironic is it that of all the things Ryne Ween finds moronic or stupid, Derrick Rose isn't among them.

 

I want my objective measument that Rose is dumb I was promised that and I want it.

 

Unfortunately I can't do that because he had someone else take his SATs for him for some reason

 

http://i.imgur.com/7CDxyqa.gif

[The_Achiever]

I also think it's stupid to brand Rose a moron.

I mean, he's really [expletive] stupid by objective measures

 

What objective measurement of Rose's intelligence do you have available to you? Assuming you know what objective means? Dwayne wade had a 16 on his ACT do you consider him a moron?

 

16 is much better than whatever Rose would have scored had he taken it. It's a basketball tragedy at this point so I am happy he is gone. Unless he becomes an MVP again he's about to see how much support he got from the fans, media and organization in Chicago.

 

That being said garpax is terrible and I'd love to see them gone asap. Bulls will never win anything with those two at the helm.

 

EDIT: and horsefeathers Dwayne wade's illiterate ass too.

[Pushfrog98]

I saw that Pau Gasol has officially opted out, and they're looking for someone to take Taj.

[WrigleyField 22]

If you were of the tank mindset, Warriors could be looking to move Bogut for cap relief, apparently. Salary filler to help meet the cap floor. Could get 20-24 minutes a night and if he plays well, flipped again for another asset at the deadline .

[David]

This is a few days old, but:

 

“It’s all about ’17 for them,’’ a league source said.

 

The hope is the Bulls will be competitive this upcoming season, showing off Butler and Lopez, along with youth like Doug McDermott, Grant, and Denzel Valentine, who they landed with the 14th overall pick Thursday. And will take that package into the 2017 offseason with cap space for possibly two maximum players in a summer loaded with talented free agents such as Stephen Curry, Russell Westbrook, Blake Griffin and Kyle Lowry.

 

Gotta say, knowing how unlikely this is to work and all the times we've seen it fail, it's still a wayyy more likely path to a superstar than "blow it up and draft one."

 

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/what-exactly-are-the-bulls-doing-waiting-for-2017-or-bust/

[Proven Veteran]

This is a few days old, but:

 

“It’s all about ’17 for them,’’ a league source said.

 

The hope is the Bulls will be competitive this upcoming season, showing off Butler and Lopez, along with youth like Doug McDermott, Grant, and Denzel Valentine, who they landed with the 14th overall pick Thursday. And will take that package into the 2017 offseason with cap space for possibly two maximum players in a summer loaded with talented free agents such as Stephen Curry, Russell Westbrook, Blake Griffin and Kyle Lowry.

 

Gotta say, knowing how unlikely this is to work and all the times we've seen it fail, it's still a wayyy more likely path to a superstar than "blow it up and draft one."

 

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/what-exactly-are-the-bulls-doing-waiting-for-2017-or-bust/

 

Do the Bulls have any players that are friends with those guys?

[WrigleyField 22]

This is a few days old, but:

 

“It’s all about ’17 for them,’’ a league source said.

 

The hope is the Bulls will be competitive this upcoming season, showing off Butler and Lopez, along with youth like Doug McDermott, Grant, and Denzel Valentine, who they landed with the 14th overall pick Thursday. And will take that package into the 2017 offseason with cap space for possibly two maximum players in a summer loaded with talented free agents such as Stephen Curry, Russell Westbrook, Blake Griffin and Kyle Lowry.

 

Gotta say, knowing how unlikely this is to work and all the times we've seen it fail, it's still a wayyy more likely path to a superstar than "blow it up and draft one."

 

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/what-exactly-are-the-bulls-doing-waiting-for-2017-or-bust/

 

Do the Bulls have any players that are friends with those guys?

Jimmy is gonna be at the Olympics. Any 2017 FA gonna be there? Heat planned their 2010 coup in Bejiing right?

[Sammy Sofa]

This is a few days old, but:

 

“It’s all about ’17 for them,’’ a league source said.

 

The hope is the Bulls will be competitive this upcoming season, showing off Butler and Lopez, along with youth like Doug McDermott, Grant, and Denzel Valentine, who they landed with the 14th overall pick Thursday. And will take that package into the 2017 offseason with cap space for possibly two maximum players in a summer loaded with talented free agents such as Stephen Curry, Russell Westbrook, Blake Griffin and Kyle Lowry.

 

Gotta say, knowing how unlikely this is to work and all the times we've seen it fail, it's still a wayyy more likely path to a superstar than "blow it up and draft one."

 

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/what-exactly-are-the-bulls-doing-waiting-for-2017-or-bust/

 

Do the Bulls have any players that are friends with those guys?

 

More importantly, this creepy weirdo is gone:

 

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/976011/d-rose-dance.gif

[Proven Veteran]

This is a few days old, but:

 

 

 

Gotta say, knowing how unlikely this is to work and all the times we've seen it fail, it's still a wayyy more likely path to a superstar than "blow it up and draft one."

 

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/what-exactly-are-the-bulls-doing-waiting-for-2017-or-bust/

 

Do the Bulls have any players that are friends with those guys?

 

More importantly, this creepy weirdo is gone:

 

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/976011/d-rose-dance.gif

Good point. Hopefully the organization learned their lesson last time out and Jimmy is selling someone on joining up with him.

[UMFan83]

This is a few days old, but:

 

“It’s all about ’17 for them,’’ a league source said.

 

The hope is the Bulls will be competitive this upcoming season, showing off Butler and Lopez, along with youth like Doug McDermott, Grant, and Denzel Valentine, who they landed with the 14th overall pick Thursday. And will take that package into the 2017 offseason with cap space for possibly two maximum players in a summer loaded with talented free agents such as Stephen Curry, Russell Westbrook, Blake Griffin and Kyle Lowry.

 

Gotta say, knowing how unlikely this is to work and all the times we've seen it fail, it's still a wayyy more likely path to a superstar than "blow it up and draft one."

 

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/what-exactly-are-the-bulls-doing-waiting-for-2017-or-bust/

 

Maybe, but I think its more likely to get at the very least a useful player with an inexpensive contract and years of control picking at the top of the draft. If you throw all your eggs into the FA basket and you don't have a sexy market or a team that is ready to contend, especially in the wild wild west that is FA with the cap exploding, you are far more likely to be used as leverage similar to what is happening to Dallas today with Whiteside, Conely and someone else whose name is eluding me, than you are to steal a superstar. If you strike out when you throw all your eggs into the FA basket, you are left with overpaying a role player to save face/hit salary floor.

[David]

This is a few days old, but:

 

“It’s all about ’17 for them,’’ a league source said.

 

The hope is the Bulls will be competitive this upcoming season, showing off Butler and Lopez, along with youth like Doug McDermott, Grant, and Denzel Valentine, who they landed with the 14th overall pick Thursday. And will take that package into the 2017 offseason with cap space for possibly two maximum players in a summer loaded with talented free agents such as Stephen Curry, Russell Westbrook, Blake Griffin and Kyle Lowry.

 

Gotta say, knowing how unlikely this is to work and all the times we've seen it fail, it's still a wayyy more likely path to a superstar than "blow it up and draft one."

 

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/what-exactly-are-the-bulls-doing-waiting-for-2017-or-bust/

 

Maybe, but I think its more likely to get at the very least a useful player with an inexpensive contract and years of control picking at the top of the draft. If you throw all your eggs into the FA basket and you don't have a sexy market or a team that is ready to contend, especially in the wild wild west that is FA with the cap exploding, you are far more likely to be used as leverage similar to what is happening to Dallas today with Whiteside, Conely and someone else whose name is eluding me, than you are to steal a superstar. If you strike out when you throw all your eggs into the FA basket, you are left with overpaying a role player to save face/hit salary floor.

 

Meh. Our 2010 strikeout resulted in the best team we've seen since 1998.

 

If you strike out in the lottery or with our pick, you are left with having a team you can't watch at all for more years than you already weren't.

[WrigleyField 22]

This is a few days old, but:

 

 

 

Gotta say, knowing how unlikely this is to work and all the times we've seen it fail, it's still a wayyy more likely path to a superstar than "blow it up and draft one."

 

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/what-exactly-are-the-bulls-doing-waiting-for-2017-or-bust/

 

Do the Bulls have any players that are friends with those guys?

 

More importantly, this creepy weirdo is gone:

 

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/976011/d-rose-dance.gif

Apparently he called Durant to recruit him to NY, and he already recruited Noah. Lol

 

So if JB wants to recruit in Rio

 

Carmelo Anthony (2019)

Harrison Barnes (2016) too late

Demarcus Cousins (2018)

DeMar DeRozan (2016) too late

Kevin Durant (2016) too late

Paul George (2019)

Draymond Green (2020)

Kyrie Irving (2020)

Deandre Jordan (2019)

Kyle Lowry (2018)

Klay Thompson (2019)

 

Damn, not a single 2017 FA! Looks like the 2020 plan, although JB is a FA that year too. I think i read he trains with Kyrie. Lets hope he and Bron clash the next few years.

[Sammy Sofa]

 

Do the Bulls have any players that are friends with those guys?

 

More importantly, this creepy weirdo is gone:

 

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/976011/d-rose-dance.gif

Apparently he called Durant to recruit him to NY, and he already recruited Noah. Lol

 

I would pay all of the money to be able to listen to a phone call that tortuous and awkward.

[Sammy Sofa]

I mean, there's no way Rose didn't just call him up and breathe heavily into the phone. No way.

[Andy]

This is a few days old, but:

 

 

 

Gotta say, knowing how unlikely this is to work and all the times we've seen it fail, it's still a wayyy more likely path to a superstar than "blow it up and draft one."

 

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/what-exactly-are-the-bulls-doing-waiting-for-2017-or-bust/

 

Do the Bulls have any players that are friends with those guys?

 

More importantly, this creepy weirdo is gone:

 

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/976011/d-rose-dance.gif

The funny/sad thing is, I bet if we looked in the archives there would be a lot of posts from us talking about how awesome it was that Rose didn't engage in that dancing. I know I got a kick out of it at the time.

[Sammy Sofa]

 

Do the Bulls have any players that are friends with those guys?

 

More importantly, this creepy weirdo is gone:

 

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/976011/d-rose-dance.gif

The funny/sad thing is, I bet if we looked in the archives there would be a lot of posts from us talking about how awesome it was that Rose didn't engage in that dancing. I know I got a kick out of it at the time.

 

Oh, definitely; we all thought it was awesome at the time. I know I sure did, and I posted mostly for the sad hindsight of how that changed from then to now. That said, one of the first things I got sick of with him was how crappy he was at playing the FA game, to the point where it seemed like at times he was actually trying to alienate people from signing with the Bulls. Obviously, blaming him for the Bulls not signing better FA is nonsense, but you did have a stretch where he was an incredibly exciting player and the league as a whole seemed pretty impressed with him, and the guy actually reaching out and pressing the flesh to try and bring players to Chicago could have made at least a bit of a difference. Ultimately it seems to boil down to him liking the guys he's playing with and not wanting to piss them off, but he had no idea how to say that (or to try and bring new players on board) without sounding like a anti-social douche telling everyone not already on the Bulls to screw off.

[RammyFanny]

 

Do the Bulls have any players that are friends with those guys?

 

More importantly, this creepy weirdo is gone:

 

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/976011/d-rose-dance.gif

The funny/sad thing is, I bet if we looked in the archives there would be a lot of posts from us talking about how awesome it was that Rose didn't engage in that dancing. I know I got a kick out of it at the time.

I think at the time we thought it was Rose taking some macho stance against the villain Lebron and his stupid shenanigans, but in reality it was him just being too shy to do anything.

[UMFan83]

This is a few days old, but:

 

 

 

Gotta say, knowing how unlikely this is to work and all the times we've seen it fail, it's still a wayyy more likely path to a superstar than "blow it up and draft one."

 

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/what-exactly-are-the-bulls-doing-waiting-for-2017-or-bust/

 

Maybe, but I think its more likely to get at the very least a useful player with an inexpensive contract and years of control picking at the top of the draft. If you throw all your eggs into the FA basket and you don't have a sexy market or a team that is ready to contend, especially in the wild wild west that is FA with the cap exploding, you are far more likely to be used as leverage similar to what is happening to Dallas today with Whiteside, Conely and someone else whose name is eluding me, than you are to steal a superstar. If you strike out when you throw all your eggs into the FA basket, you are left with overpaying a role player to save face/hit salary floor.

 

Meh. Our 2010 strikeout resulted in the best team we've seen since 1998.

 

If you strike out in the lottery or with our pick, you are left with having a team you can't watch at all for more years than you already weren't.

 

Yes it did because we had the MVP (deserved or not he was an elite superstar) and the role players we signed fit around that MVP. If we strike out in 2017 we have Jimmy Butler and marginal role players.

 

Look at top 4 picks from the last 4 drafts (and yes 4 was mostly arbitrary selection but also because that's the lowest pick you can get with the worst record).

 

Players that at a minimum are young cheap assets that can anchor a trade: Towns, Russell, Okafor, Porzingis, Wiggins, Parker, Oladipo, Anthony Davis

 

Players that are useful players and good but not as strong of assets (pre-extension): Kidd-Gilchrist, Beal, Waiters

 

Belong in an NBA rotation but minimal upside/value: Gordon, Porter, Zeller

 

Giant useless busts: Bennett

 

Unknown: Embiid

 

So you have a pretty good chance of getting someone cheap and useful, and a non-zero chance of acquiring a superstar in the draft vs. a great chance of getting someone useful albeit overpaid and a virtual (imo) zero chance of acquiring a superstar in FA.

 

Also because of the current climate, everyone is going to have money next summer, so the competition for these players is going to be extremely high. Honestly if we were back in the 2010 climate and we had space for 2 max guys I'd be all for it. But having money really doesn't mean much next season.

[David]

 

Maybe, but I think its more likely to get at the very least a useful player with an inexpensive contract and years of control picking at the top of the draft. If you throw all your eggs into the FA basket and you don't have a sexy market or a team that is ready to contend, especially in the wild wild west that is FA with the cap exploding, you are far more likely to be used as leverage similar to what is happening to Dallas today with Whiteside, Conely and someone else whose name is eluding me, than you are to steal a superstar. If you strike out when you throw all your eggs into the FA basket, you are left with overpaying a role player to save face/hit salary floor.

 

Meh. Our 2010 strikeout resulted in the best team we've seen since 1998.

 

If you strike out in the lottery or with our pick, you are left with having a team you can't watch at all for more years than you already weren't.

 

Yes it did because we had the MVP (deserved or not he was an elite superstar) and the role players we signed fit around that MVP. If we strike out in 2017 we have Jimmy Butler and marginal role players.

 

what?

 

butler isn't far off from what rose was (aside from age which obviously didn't wind up mattering since he had the knees of a 45 year old)...seems like a combination of rose being overrated and jimmy being underrated. especially once you factor in defense.

 

i have no idea how your differentiating the 2010-11 role players from the theoretical ones signed next offseason.

[UMFan83]

 

Meh. Our 2010 strikeout resulted in the best team we've seen since 1998.

 

If you strike out in the lottery or with our pick, you are left with having a team you can't watch at all for more years than you already weren't.

 

Yes it did because we had the MVP (deserved or not he was an elite superstar) and the role players we signed fit around that MVP. If we strike out in 2017 we have Jimmy Butler and marginal role players.

 

what?

 

butler isn't far off from what rose was (aside from age which obviously didn't wind up mattering since he had the knees of a 45 year old)...seems like a combination of rose being overrated and jimmy being underrated. especially once you factor in defense.

 

i have no idea how your differentiating the 2010-11 role players from the theoretical ones signed next offseason.

 

In Rose's MVP season he was worth 13.1 wins, and a VORP of 6. Last year Jimmy was worth 9.1 wins (11.2 year before) and 4.2 VORP.

 

1) The number were closer than I thought so maybe I am underrating Jimmy a bit, but there's still a clear difference between the value of Rose in his MVP season and Jimmy, more than what you imply IMO.

2) I have no idea how accurate those numbers are at judging value in basketball, but they seem to be pretty relied on in baseball so I'll use them

 

I'm not differentiating the role players in 2010 from next offseason. In fact the players they get next year could be better. I just don't think there is much on the Bulls besides Jimmy that these FAs would be coming to whereas Booz, Brewer, Korver and Watson were joining a team that had Rose, Deng and Noah. Thus they are very unlikely to build a 62 win team from whats left in FA after the top guys spurn the Bulls.