Shohei Ohtani Signs with the Angels

[davell]

I keep thinking about HOW Otani comes over next year and there's one very plausible scenario. He signs a one year deal for 10M or so, with an immediately granted FA clause. Like Cespedes got after 4 years.

 

Who'd sign him for 1 year and their entire bonus pool, plus the most money they can trade for, plus the 20 mill posting fee?(30 mill basically, plus a bit of crap they give up for IFA money)

 

Practically ANYONE. He'd pay for himself with attendance spikes and thru the revenue he'd generate. That team would also get a head start on trying to re-up him. Hell, I guess that can be done at any point too? Even if not, he's worth it to anyone from a revenue standpoint. And especially for a contender getting an elite guy, in what amounts to trading for a guy in the last year of his deal.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

This guy having to come over and sign a one-year contract and then entering into free agency is about to the dumbest thing ever. The international cap is really bad. There is so much shady stuff that I can foresee happening.

[Cubswin11]

Maybe Otani can be given part of the company that gets the new TV contract done in a few years as a work around

[CaliforniaRaisin]

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Cubs can't offer more than $300k for the first year until 7/2/18.

[jehr]

I keep thinking about HOW Otani comes over next year and there's one very plausible scenario. He signs a one year deal for 10M or so, with an immediately granted FA clause. Like Cespedes got after 4 years.

 

Who'd sign him for 1 year and their entire bonus pool, plus the most money they can trade for, plus the 20 mill posting fee?(30 mill basically, plus a bit of crap they give up for IFA money)

 

Practically ANYONE. He'd pay for himself with attendance spikes and thru the revenue he'd generate. That team would also get a head start on trying to re-up him. Hell, I guess that can be done at any point too? Even if not, he's worth it to anyone from a revenue standpoint. And especially for a contender getting an elite guy, in what amounts to trading for a guy in the last year of his deal.

Regardless of whether the math works out on whether he'd pay for himself (I think you're right, btw...), if he were to make it known he wouldn't sign more than a one year deal, if no one were willing to pay the max $20 mil posting fee, then it comes down to who is willing to pay the most. So long as one team were to make a bid, someone will get the rights to negotiate with him. That number doesn't have to get to $20 mil to get him in play. Probably close to every team in baseball would be willing to take him on a one year deal for at least the minimum posting fee plus the max salary they could offer him. So the question is, would his team refrain from posting him if they weren't confident they'd get $20 million?

[davell]

I keep thinking about HOW Otani comes over next year and there's one very plausible scenario. He signs a one year deal for 10M or so, with an immediately granted FA clause. Like Cespedes got after 4 years.

 

Who'd sign him for 1 year and their entire bonus pool, plus the most money they can trade for, plus the 20 mill posting fee?(30 mill basically, plus a bit of crap they give up for IFA money)

 

Practically ANYONE. He'd pay for himself with attendance spikes and thru the revenue he'd generate. That team would also get a head start on trying to re-up him. Hell, I guess that can be done at any point too? Even if not, he's worth it to anyone from a revenue standpoint. And especially for a contender getting an elite guy, in what amounts to trading for a guy in the last year of his deal.

Regardless of whether the math works out on whether he'd pay for himself (I think you're right, btw...), if he were to make it known he wouldn't sign more than a one year deal, if no one were willing to pay the max $20 mil posting fee, then it comes down to who is willing to pay the most. So long as one team were to make a bid, someone will get the rights to negotiate with him. That number doesn't have to get to $20 mil to get him in play. Probably close to every team in baseball would be willing to take him on a one year deal for at least the minimum posting fee plus the max salary they could offer him. So the question is, would his team refrain from posting him if they weren't confident they'd get $20 million?

 

Why would a contender that's got money, NOT give an ace a one year, 30ish mill deal? Getting a team to fork over a 20 mill posting fee for him, even just for a year, is a no-brainer.

[jehr]

I keep thinking about HOW Otani comes over next year and there's one very plausible scenario. He signs a one year deal for 10M or so, with an immediately granted FA clause. Like Cespedes got after 4 years.

 

Who'd sign him for 1 year and their entire bonus pool, plus the most money they can trade for, plus the 20 mill posting fee?(30 mill basically, plus a bit of crap they give up for IFA money)

 

Practically ANYONE. He'd pay for himself with attendance spikes and thru the revenue he'd generate. That team would also get a head start on trying to re-up him. Hell, I guess that can be done at any point too? Even if not, he's worth it to anyone from a revenue standpoint. And especially for a contender getting an elite guy, in what amounts to trading for a guy in the last year of his deal.

Regardless of whether the math works out on whether he'd pay for himself (I think you're right, btw...), if he were to make it known he wouldn't sign more than a one year deal, if no one were willing to pay the max $20 mil posting fee, then it comes down to who is willing to pay the most. So long as one team were to make a bid, someone will get the rights to negotiate with him. That number doesn't have to get to $20 mil to get him in play. Probably close to every team in baseball would be willing to take him on a one year deal for at least the minimum posting fee plus the max salary they could offer him. So the question is, would his team refrain from posting him if they weren't confident they'd get $20 million?

 

Why would a contender that's got money, NOT give an ace a one year, 30ish mill deal? Getting a team to fork over a 20 mill posting fee for him, even just for a year, is a no-brainer.

I agree... that wasn't what I was trying to say. The posting fee only gets to $20 mil if someone bids $20 mil, and I would bet multiple teams would. Just saying that even in the unlikely scenario where no team were inclined to pay a $20 mil posting fee to only have him for a year, there would still be bidding, and he'd still be in play. I'm not convinced this new CBA will delay him as much as everyone thinks. If he wants to play in the MLB badly enough, it'll happen.

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[davell]

They've gift wrapped him to the Yankees.

[DonnieD]

Maybe Otani can be given part of the company that gets the new TV contract done in a few years as a work around

This. Or would there be any rule against selling Otani say a 5% ownership stake in the team for a song and then signing him to a mimimum deal when he is posted?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

They've gift wrapped him to the Yankees.

 

Or Red Sox.

 

horsefeathers

[David]

They've gift wrapped him to the Yankees.

 

Or Red Sox.

 

horsefeathers

 

So our penalty was two years because it was the second time?

 

I'm trying to figure this out, because didn't the Red Sox just blow the limit on Moncada alone?

[davell]

They've gift wrapped him to the Yankees.

 

Or Red Sox.

 

horsefeathers

 

So our penalty was two years because it was the second time?

 

I'm trying to figure this out, because didn't the Red Sox just blow the limit on Moncada alone?

 

They did blow it on Moncada. The rules just changed. It didn't have anything to do with it being our second time. The Red Sox, Yanks, and others got the two year penalty the first time they blew past their slot.

[David]

 

Or Red Sox.

 

horsefeathers

 

So our penalty was two years because it was the second time?

 

I'm trying to figure this out, because didn't the Red Sox just blow the limit on Moncada alone?

 

They did blow it on Moncada. The rules just changed. It didn't have anything to do with it being our second time. The Red Sox, Yanks, and others got the two year penalty the first time they blew past their slot.

 

OK, I thought I pulled up an article a second ago saying that they got one year but I guess that was wrong.

 

So Moncada was technically a 2014 signing for Boston (so their penalty was after that period), and we wanted him to wait til (July) 2015, when we blew our wad again...do I have that right now?

[davell]

They've gift wrapped him to the Yankees.

 

Walk me through this thought process

 

Assuming he IS getting posted next year, the Yanks(and Red Sox) come out of their penalty box for IFA signings. They'll be able to blow their entire 4.75 mill on him and trade for up to 80% more, to give him as well.

 

The Cubs and Dodgers are capped at offering him 300,000. Sure, there's going to be a few teams that'll be able to offer him 5.75 mill, plus 80% more, if they trade for it...... But the difference being basically a million bucks- Its easy to see him taking the discount to play for the historic Yankees(or Red Sox) especially considering the marketing dollars he'd get in NY, compared to anywhere else.

 

In fact, the only 2 other teams I'd even see with a chance would be the Angels(extreme long shot) and Mariners, which is plausible, for location purposes, history with Japanese players, and even though they sold off most of the team, Japanese ownership.....

[davell]

 

So our penalty was two years because it was the second time?

 

I'm trying to figure this out, because didn't the Red Sox just blow the limit on Moncada alone?

 

They did blow it on Moncada. The rules just changed. It didn't have anything to do with it being our second time. The Red Sox, Yanks, and others got the two year penalty the first time they blew past their slot.

 

OK, I thought I pulled up an article a second ago saying that they got one year but I guess that was wrong.

 

So Moncada was technically a 2014 signing for Boston (so their penalty was after that period), and we wanted him to wait til (July) 2015, when we blew our wad again...do I have that right now?

 

Yeah, he signed a few months before that period was over and we were able to spend again. Supposedly, it was a very tough decision and he had spent a whole day with Maddon, but wanted to get started immediately, instead of missing the majority of that season.

[snoodmonger]

Maybe I'm being petulant, but it seems unfair that old decisions (like overspending in IFA) should be affected by a new rule.

 

Maybe the Cubs (or other teams) wouldn't have spent the way they did if they'd known it would prevent them from bidding on Otani in the future. Am I just being a baby by thinking that way? It's okay to say yes.

[David]

Maybe I'm being petulant, but it seems unfair that old decisions (like overspending in IFA) should be affected by a new rule.

 

Maybe the Cubs (or other teams) wouldn't have spent the way they did if they'd known it would prevent them from bidding on Otani in the future. Am I just being a baby by thinking that way? It's okay to say yes.

Nope. It's horse horsefeathers

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Maybe I'm being petulant, but it seems unfair that old decisions (like overspending in IFA) should be affected by a new rule.

 

Maybe the Cubs (or other teams) wouldn't have spent the way they did if they'd known it would prevent them from bidding on Otani in the future. Am I just being a baby by thinking that way? It's okay to say yes.

 

Teams expected the penalties to extend into the new CBA (whether the bonus caps remained or a draft was instated) but you're right, some teams might have changed their plans if they knew they'd be restricted from Otani. So yeah, it's incredibly frustrating (and quite frankly, it's very unfair financially to Shohei).

[javy knows my name]

Maybe I'm being petulant, but it seems unfair that old decisions (like overspending in IFA) should be affected by a new rule.

 

Maybe the Cubs (or other teams) wouldn't have spent the way they did if they'd known it would prevent them from bidding on Otani in the future. Am I just being a baby by thinking that way? It's okay to say yes.

 

Teams expected the penalties to extend into the new CBA (whether the bonus caps remained or a draft was instated) but you're right, some teams might have changed their plans if they knew they'd be restricted from Otani. So yeah, it's incredibly frustrating (and quite frankly, it's very unfair financially to Shohei).

 

The really fucked up thing is that it likely wasn't the owners who wanted to keep Otani out, but the players. They love to take care of their own but don't give a horsefeathers about their future own

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I really wanted to watch him pitch against MLB players.

[Inlearningmode]

http://prosportsdaily.com/Headlines/ExternalArticle?articleId=457095

 

"Personally, the new CBA rules do not mean much to me, and it is not going to stop me from going over to the States," Ohtani tells B/R. "The only thing that worries me is the other young players that might try to go overseas after me. I don't want to set the bar too low for them and have to get underpaid because of my decision."

[Guancous]

Maybe Otani can be given part of the company that gets the new TV contract done in a few years as a work around

This. Or would there be any rule against selling Otani say a 5% ownership stake in the team for a song and then signing him to a mimimum deal when he is posted?

 

Major League rule 20e states players can't have an ownership stake. It came up during A-Rod's contract negotiations.

 

No manager or player on a Club shall, directly or indirectly, own stock or any other proprietary interest or have any financial interest in the Club by which the manager or player is employed except under an agreement approved by the Commissioner, which agreement shall provide for the immediate sale (and the terms thereof) of such stock or other proprietary interest or financial interest in the event of the manager or player’s transfer (if a player or playing manager) to or joining another Club.

 

I didn't realize the rulebook is 250 pages now!

[Careless]

Major League rule 20e states players can't have an ownership stake.

 

No manager or player on a Club shall, directly or indirectly, own stock or any other proprietary interest or have any financial interest in the Club by which the manager or player is employed except under an agreement approved by the Commissioner,

 

Uh, yeah, this explicitly says it can happen.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

hello here is Shohei Otani murdering a baseball

 

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