2016 Trade Deadline

[davell]

The reverse Oakland deal......Torres and lesser stuff for Doolittle and Redick or something else, that's not Gray.

 

(Not advocating, just mentioning a possibility)

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I mean, I'd be thrilled to trade Torres and Vogelbach for Miller. That gives the Yankees a "high end" piece in Torres and an immediate piece in Vogelbach.

 

I don't think they'd go for that, though.

 

They probably aren't trading Miller then. Which is fine, if any team didn't need to sell high on a reliever it'd be them. But no one is giving up an obscene package to pay Miller 2.5/23 for his age 31-33 seasons.

[Tim]

Would you trade Torres for a Chapman rental?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Would you trade Torres for a Chapman rental?

 

I'd rather trade him for Doolittle.

[Cubswin11]

I mean, I'd be thrilled to trade Torres and Vogelbach for Miller. That gives the Yankees a "high end" piece in Torres and an immediate piece in Vogelbach.

 

I don't think they'd go for that, though.

I mean maybe I'm just not looking at it right but that seems like it should be roughly what it takes to get Miller, sure maybe we need to add a McKinney, CJ Edwards or something but that seems like a fair deal. The other thing is what better offer are they getting for him that beats Torres+Vogelbach+Edwards?

[squally1313]

In almost every other situation I'd try and figure out the best option from the numbers, but in a hypothetical world where the same package got you either Doolittle or Chapman, give me Doolittle and his 4 less strike outs every nine innings (and the peace of mind that I'm not rooting for a total scumbag).

 

Seriously, I know clubhouse chemistry is overrated and everyone probably hated Lackey before this year and whatever, but Rizzo almost fought Chapman long before all this other crap happened.

[Tim]

I go back and forth on how I'd approach all this. And it is all based on what is required from other teams in return for guys like Doolittle, Miller, Chapman, etc. Here's my general thought process:

 

- I'm perfectly comfortable with Rondon / Strop at the back end of the pen

- As long as relievers are good vs R+L, I really don't care which arm they throw with

- We're going to get through the regular season just fine even if we don't make any moves

- In the playoffs, the middle relievers don't matter nearly as much as you're going to be able to plug in Hammel / Hendricks there anyway

- So in 2016, we really just need one additional back end guy to shorten the game that much more

- We definitely need to think forward to 2017 and beyond for the pen, as well

 

We could trade a big package to get Miller (assuming he even becomes available). That addresses that third dominant reliever for this year and the next couple. Going after Doolittle is kind of the redneck version of that (not as good, bigger injury risk), but would come a lot cheaper.

 

It seems to me, though, that it might be more effective to do this in two parts. Chapman will be a whole lot cheaper than Miller and might be cheaper than Doolittle. He certainly solves all the problems for 2016. Then go out and sign Holland and you likely have added that elite reliever for the next several years (and perhaps another one for 2016 if the rumors of him coming back in August are true).

 

My fear is that the Yankees relievers never come onto the market. If that's the case, In addition to those guys not being there, the cost of trading for all the rest of the guys out there will go up a lot.

[raw]

I like Doolittle also, but I don't like arguably the Cubs top prospect for him. I don't like big time prospects for relievers at all unless the reliever is a legit shutdown guy. Doolittle would be really nice, but I don't get the "game over" feeling wtih Doolittle/Strop/Rondon as I do with Miller or Chapman/Strop/Rondon. Not saying I'd trade Gleyber for Chapman necessarily, but definitely not for Doolittle alone.

 

I wonder what it would take to get Rich Hill over here with Doolittle.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Speaking of A's relievers, Ryan Madson doesn't seem to be falling off just yet. Though he is due over $15mm over the next two years, despite being a 35 year old relief pitcher who dropped off the face of the earth for 4 years.

[Clem Fandango]

Beltran just left the game with an apparent leg injury. He's got a .902 OPS. It's the only OPS on the team, starters and subs included, above .735. If he needs to miss significant time that could be the death knell that sends them into sell mode.

[stitchface]

Beltran just left the game with an apparent leg injury. He's got a .902 OPS. It's the only OPS on the team, starters and subs included, above .735. If he needs to miss significant time that could be the death knell that sends them into sell mode.

 

 

It would seem like trading with the Yankees would require a big name to make a splash. Who's our best big name not so great trade piece? Soler?

[Clem Fandango]

The Yankees could definitely use Soler, and he'd be a great starting point if they demand more talent. The Yankees desperately need to replenish their farm system and they *should* be happy receiving guys like Torres or Happ or Cease or whoever else we have in the minors in addition to someone like Soler, but their stupid ass Yankee pride of always needing to contend is going to make them demand the likes of Schwarber or Baez or other MLB ready talent so they can plug them in ASAP and get immediate value and try and contend.

 

Andrew Miller is a remarkable reliever, but that's all he is: a reliever. A reliever who costs more for one season than Schwarber will likely cost in the next 4 or 5 combined. I'd love to have him on the team, but I'm not giving up any MLB talent except for Soler, and even then that's about all I'd want to give up in a deal for a reliever as good as Miller, but that's just me.

[stitchface]

The Yankees could definitely use Soler, and he'd be a great starting point if they demand more talent. The Yankees desperately need to replenish their farm system and they *should* be happy receiving guys like Torres or Happ or Cease or whoever else we have in the minors in addition to someone like Soler, but their stupid ass Yankee pride of always needing to contend is going to make them demand the likes of Schwarber or Baez or other MLB ready talent so they can plug them in ASAP and get immediate value and try and contend.

 

Andrew Miller is a remarkable reliever, but that's all he is: a reliever. A reliever who costs more for one season than Schwarber will likely cost in the next 4 or 5 combined. I'd love to have him on the team, but I'm not giving up any MLB talent except for Soler, and even then that's about all I'd want to give up in a deal for a reliever as good as Miller, but that's just me.

 

I would trade them if it meant the difference between winning the world series or not. Not sure how you could reach that determination though.

[Gilby]

I love Doolittle's contract, but he's more LOOGY-ish than I thought. RH hitters have a .353 wOBA against him (lefties a .202).

 

On a different note, I feel like the Yankees would really value Vogelbach in that park, plus A-Rod is toast. Though they might rotate a bunch of old guys in the DH spot, I'm not sure.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Do we really need to go all in for a reliever? Wood-Strop-Rondon is an effective end game. What we need is a better bridge to get there in case the SP has a short game, which until recently didn't happen often. I'm not saying we need nothing. Just that we don't necessarily need to go all in for what would be more want than need.

 

I'd be ok giving up something of value for a guy like Doolittle, Miller, or Betances who are under control for a few more years. But in terms of overpaying for rentals, I'd rather overpay for someone like Fernando Rodney than Aroldis Chapman, assuming overpaying for Fernando Rodney costs something along the lines of Zagunis and change while overpaying for Chapman costs at least one of our top tier prospects.

[davell]

Another cheap option would be Boone Logan. Rogers brings up Tony Watson, but with a high price tag.

[Little Slide Rooter]

http://www.bleachernation.com/2016/06/29/report-yankees-plan-to-move-on-if-cubs-wont-trade-kyle-schwarber-for-andrew-miller/

 

If that's the case, we move on very quickly. But if they're willing to send us Betances for Schwarber, is that enough to move back? Betances' 3.7 WAR in each of the past 2 seasons is dangerously close to Mariano Rivera territory. And Schwarber's bat is great and all, but assuming that the boat on him as a catcher has sailed and been blown up by that of Willson Contreras, we're looking at a sub replacement level defensive OF.

 

The question is, if both are in the prime of their career, do you trade a poor man's Ryan Braun/richer mans Jay Bruce for Trevor Hoffman with a chance of Mariano Rivera?

[Andy]

[sneakypower]

i guess this is as good a time as any to remind all that last year Schwarber was on a 124/45/109, 86 BB pace (.255/.362/.529) in the half season he played in the bigs

[Cubswin11]

http://www.bleachernation.com/2016/06/29/report-yankees-plan-to-move-on-if-cubs-wont-trade-kyle-schwarber-for-andrew-miller/

 

If that's the case, we move on very quickly. But if they're willing to send us Betances for Schwarber, is that enough to move back? Betances' 3.7 WAR in each of the past 2 seasons is dangerously close to Mariano Rivera territory. And Schwarber's bat is great and all, but assuming that the boat on him as a catcher has sailed and been blown up by that of Willson Contreras, we're looking at a sub replacement level defensive OF.

 

The question is, if both are in the prime of their career, do you trade a poor man's Ryan Braun/richer mans Jay Bruce for Trevor Hoffman with a chance of Mariano Rivera?

No. Yankees can eat a bag of dicks in this case. If they want Schwarber I want Betances, Miller and Chapman

[philosophizer75]

Irrational, yet with resolute conviction...

 

I'm with you, screw pitchers if it's going to take Schwarber. I love that beefy bastard.

[cwood218]

http://www.bleachernation.com/2016/06/29/report-yankees-plan-to-move-on-if-cubs-wont-trade-kyle-schwarber-for-andrew-miller/

 

If that's the case, we move on very quickly. But if they're willing to send us Betances for Schwarber, is that enough to move back? Betances' 3.7 WAR in each of the past 2 seasons is dangerously close to Mariano Rivera territory. And Schwarber's bat is great and all, but assuming that the boat on him as a catcher has sailed and been blown up by that of Willson Contreras, we're looking at a sub replacement level defensive OF.

 

The question is, if both are in the prime of their career, do you trade a poor man's Ryan Braun/richer mans Jay Bruce for Trevor Hoffman with a chance of Mariano Rivera?

No. Yankees can eat a bag of dicks in this case. If they want Schwarber I want Betances, Miller and Chapman

 

And Eovaldi or whoever is their best young SP.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

not really interested in trading our 23 year old potential 40 dong masher for a relief pitcher with a history of elbow problems.

[Thrilho]

i guess this is as good a time as any to remind all that last year Schwarber was on a 124/45/109, 86 BB pace (.255/.362/.529) in the half season he played in the bigs

Yeah I was going to say go look back at the videos from the Schwarber game if you're considering trading him for a reliever. But then I remembered that a 9th and 13th inning HR game against Cinci in the regular season doesn't really jump out that much anymore when the dude clubbed the Cards and Pirates out of the playoffs with many magificent moon shots. Get real Yankees.

[CubInOK]

We have a Jorge Soler we can give them for Miller if they want.