2016 Trade Deadline

[Post Count Padder]

Speaking of terrible, Jon Heyman's "8 Dream Trade Scenarios"!

 

 

8. Arodys Vizcaino and Alexi Ogando to the Cubs for Jorge Soler, 1B Dan Vogelbach and 3B Jeimer Candelario. The Cubs are said to want to hold onto their very top prospects, so that would make Miller and Chapman tough for them. The talented Vizcaino, briefly a Cub, has put together a few very nice months in Atlanta. The Braves would have to spin Vogelbach to an A.L. club.

 

http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/inside-baseball-with-jon-heyman/dream-trade-scenarios/

[davell]

Heyman thinks every teams TOP prospect trumps all teams second best prospect. Holy horsefeathers, the Miller to Giants deal is B2B awful.

[Tryptamine]

Speaking of terrible, Jon Heyman's "8 Dream Trade Scenarios"!

 

 

8. Arodys Vizcaino and Alexi Ogando to the Cubs for Jorge Soler, 1B Dan Vogelbach and 3B Jeimer Candelario. The Cubs are said to want to hold onto their very top prospects, so that would make Miller and Chapman tough for them. The talented Vizcaino, briefly a Cub, has put together a few very nice months in Atlanta. The Braves would have to spin Vogelbach to an A.L. club.

 

http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/inside-baseball-with-jon-heyman/dream-trade-scenarios/

 

 

So ERod,Owens,Shaw and Kopech gets you Sonny gray, but Soler,Vogelbach and Candelario only gets you Vizcaino and the shadow of Ogando? Seems completely reasonable...

[JennieGarthAlgar]

Speaking of terrible, Jon Heyman's "8 Dream Trade Scenarios"!

 

 

8. Arodys Vizcaino and Alexi Ogando to the Cubs for Jorge Soler, 1B Dan Vogelbach and 3B Jeimer Candelario. The Cubs are said to want to hold onto their very top prospects, so that would make Miller and Chapman tough for them. The talented Vizcaino, briefly a Cub, has put together a few very nice months in Atlanta. The Braves would have to spin Vogelbach to an A.L. club.

 

http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/inside-baseball-with-jon-heyman/dream-trade-scenarios/

 

 

So ERod,Owens,Shaw and Kopech and Sam Davis, the next Paul Goldschmidt gets you Sonny gray, but Soler,Vogelbach and Candelario only gets you Vizcaino and the shadow of Ogando? Seems completely reasonable...

 

You forgot that part

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Speaking of terrible, Jon Heyman's "8 Dream Trade Scenarios"!

 

 

 

 

http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/inside-baseball-with-jon-heyman/dream-trade-scenarios/

 

 

So ERod,Owens,Shaw and Kopech and Sam Davis, the next Paul Goldschmidt gets you Sonny gray, but Soler,Vogelbach and Candelario only gets you Vizcaino and the shadow of Ogando? Seems completely reasonable...

 

You forgot that part

because they're both white, right-handed first basemen?

[JennieGarthAlgar]

I dont know, I didn't make the comparison

[Cubswin11]

Who in the blue hell is Sam Davis?

[weis21]

Who in the blue hell is Sam Davis?

c'mon man

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/epicrapbattlesofhistory/images/6/61/Sammy_Davis_Jr_k.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140504042904

[Clem Fandango]

I dont know, I didn't make the comparison

 

...It's Sam Travis

[Little Slide Rooter]

Speaking of terrible, Jon Heyman's "8 Dream Trade Scenarios"!

 

 

8. Arodys Vizcaino and Alexi Ogando to the Cubs for Jorge Soler, 1B Dan Vogelbach and 3B Jeimer Candelario. The Cubs are said to want to hold onto their very top prospects, so that would make Miller and Chapman tough for them. The talented Vizcaino, briefly a Cub, has put together a few very nice months in Atlanta. The Braves would have to spin Vogelbach to an A.L. club.

 

http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/inside-baseball-with-jon-heyman/dream-trade-scenarios/

 

 

So ERod,Owens,Shaw and Kopech gets you Sonny gray, but Soler,Vogelbach and Candelario only gets you Vizcaino and the shadow of Ogando? Seems completely reasonable...

 

If we traded that much for Arodys Vizcaino like 18 months after trading him for Tommy LaStella, that would be a travesty in its own.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If they must trade for a Braves pitcher who was recently with the Cubs it should probably be Cervenka, and he should be coming with Teheran.

 

I forgot about that one. One of those guys who was on the fringe of intriguing and then quietly exited the organization through the back door, then shows up again as a reasonably useful big leaguer. Kind of like Ryan Buchter.

[Liam Neeson]

Trade for Abad and a bag of senzu beans.

[Tryptamine]

Trade for Abad and a bag of senzu beans.

 

Well that was about the single most random dragon ball reference ever.

[Cubswin11]

The Cubs continue to scout the Yankees’ dominant late-game trio of Aroldis Chapman, Andrew Miller and Dellin Betances, reports George A. King III of the New York Post. After sending Jason Parks to the Bronx to observe the troika earlier this month, the Cubs had a three-man contingent – including pro scouting director Jared Porter and pro scout Steve Boros – take in the performances of the lights-out relief aces over the past two days. Chapman, Miller and Betances combined for six shutout, one-hit innings during that span, also adding nine strikeouts against zero walks. The Yankees have won three straight and are at 37-36 – just 2.5 games out of an AL Wild Card spot – so they certainly don’t look like surefire sellers at the moment. That could change prior to the Aug. 1 trade deadline, of course.

Obviously the reasonable deduction with them being there is to watch those 3, but the Yankees are playing the Twins who are clearly out of it and would probably do a trade now. Do they have anyone we may interested in?

[davell]

The Twins have Abad. The problem right now though, is we'd be overpaying for ANYONE currently. Because there's very few true sellers right now.

 

I don't know what I expect the Yankees to do. But they do have 21 games(14 home though) against teams over .500 between now and the deadline. I personally think the price on Miller is so high, he's there after the deadline, even if they do sell.

 

As for us, I'd love to add a lefty AND righty reliever and suspect we'll be looking for a starter too.

[Vinestal]

Trade for Abad and a bag of senzu beans.

 

Well that was about the single most random dragon ball reference ever.

Had to google senzu beans... apparently there was a great deal of debate as to why they were plentiful in one Dragonball series but not another. Fascinating stuff.

[Little Slide Rooter]

So who are our "trade chips" in terms of guys we'd be willing to part with that other teams would want? Obviously, if someone like Trout or Fernandez becomes available, all bets are off. At this time, there's probably only one trade chip on the big league roster, and that's Szczur. Though he may never take a walk again, he's looking more and more like a legit big league 4th/platoon OF. This and his low cost (not arb. eligible until 2019) could interest 2nd division teams, either as a piece in a big trade or a main or stand alone piece for a lesser one. And either Zagunis or Murton are a bus ride away for taking over his spot.

 

Beyond that, a quick inventory of tradeable assets:

 

Top shelf:

Jimenez

Torres

Happ

Cease

 

If we do decide to go after a SP or top reliever without giving up anything from the big league core, the talks are going to have to start with two from the group.

 

Other Chips:

 

AAA:

Vogelbach

Candelerio

Zagunis

 

Lesser pieces:

Pena (I admittedly don't know enough about him beyong the impressive stat line)

Murton

Black

Andreoli

Watkins

 

AA:

Caratini

McKinney

Tseng

 

Lesser pieces:

Blackburn

Paniaqua

Young

Rademacher

Hanneman

 

Won't even include Underwood, as his value's probably too low at this point.

 

MB/SB/Eugene

DeWees

EJM (though it could be selling too low)

Santana

 

Lesser:

Galindo

Peguero

Clifton

Torrez

Stinnett

 

And then there's a bunch of pitchers that I've lost track of who's who: Sands, Hudson, Steele, Miller, Kellogg, Twomey, Araujo, Alzolay, Morrison, Hudson, Steele.

 

Probably missed a bunch, but that was a quick take.

[raw]

That list is not very inspiring. The bad news is that those guys won't get you much help. Of course, the good news is, this team doesn't need much help.

 

I wonder how much the Cubs will "go for it". On one hand, this team is in the playoffs as is. They can use the minor leaguers to get the best reliever(s) they can find. On the other, the Giants are right on their heels for the top seed in the NL, meaning the Cubs could potentially have to go thru both the Giants and Nationals in the playoffs (as opposed to those 2 playing each other in the NLDS). If the Cubs really want to go for it, I could see them giving up Soler and/or Almora but I'm not sure what they'd even go for as they don't really need another starter. So, I don't see them going big at the deadline.

[CubInOK]

What team not named Chicago Cubs wants a 34 year old outfielder in AAA?

[Sammy Sofa]

At this time, there's probably only one trade chip on the big league roster, and that's Szczur.

 

Well, that's just a silly thing to say.

[Tim]

That list is not very inspiring. The bad news is that those guys won't get you much help. Of course, the good news is, this team doesn't need much help.

I think you could get a fair amount of help for a combination of Eloy, Gleyber, Happ, Cease, Candyman, Zagunis, Caratini, McKinney & Vogelbach.

 

But let's face it - anyone dealing high end pieces to the Cubs is going to want at least one of Javy, Soler, Almora or Schwarbs.

[davell]

Soler is extremely easy to trade at this point from our end. We don't need him. The only question is whether he's still got enough value to warrant moving him currently.

[raw]

Soler is extremely easy to trade at this point from our end. We don't need him. The only question is whether he's still got enough value to warrant moving him currently.

 

Don't need him? There's more baseball being played outside of 2016. The Cubs are facing 2017 without Fowler, with uncertainty around Schwarber, unproven Almora, and underachieving Heyward. Granted Soler isn't guaranteed to do anything either, but he's more proven than the Schwarbs and Almora at this point. Granted, you can keep Bryant in the OF, but then you're putting Baez out there everyday, which also is not confidence inspiring at this point.

 

That being said, I don't think trading Soler would necessarily be terrible for the current Cubs or necessarily hurt them too much in the future. But I think the key point is what are they trading Soler for? You aren't trading him for another OF, that would be pointless. You aren't trading him for a starter and demoting either Hendricks or Hammel, who have shown no reason to do that and have been better than likely anyone you'd be trading for. So, you're talking about a bullpen arm. Do you really want to trade Soler for a relief pitcher? No matter how good that reliever is, that's going to be poor value for a starting caliber corner OF.

[davell]

We don't need him. Even if Dex leaves, you've got Almora to play CF. Or Heyward in CF, with Schwarber in LF and KB in RF with Javy at 3B. Or plenty of other configurations that don't involve Soler either. We can very likely grab a stopgap that gives us the same overall production Soler will. I'm just as confident in these scenarios as i am with Soler.

 

I actually like Soler. But he's been passed up here. If he actually started hitting again, the poor defense and his fragile state would still keep him from being anything more than a 2-3 WAR guy, in my opinion. And honestly, I think I'm on the high end there.

 

I'd deal him as part of a package for Miller, or even Doolittle and not think twice.

[Tim]

I think Jorge still has star hitter in him. Those glimpses he shows are so tantalizing. He was on a pretty good tear when he got hurt, too.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=14221&legend=1&stat=woba&split=base&time=game&ymin=&ymax=&start=2016&end=2016&rtype=single&gt1=15