Schwarber: Fully torn ACL and LCL. Out for 172 meaningless games.

[USSoccer]

For the record, I think adding Schwarber onto the WS roster would be a mistake; there's no way the guy is going to be ready to hit major league pitching of that caliber based on a handful of AFL at-bats.

 

For the three people who will get this reference, this isn't much different than Charlie Davies and Stuart Holden trying to rush back from severe injuries to make the World Cup roster in 2010. One guy made it and played 45 seconds and was clearly not game-ready and the other guy didn't make it back and in part because of rushed rehab took 3 more years to get his career back on track.

 

It's not worth rushing him back.

 

The Cubs are playing in the World Series, no one cares about your soccer stories.

 

Class response, right here.

[USSoccer]

For the record, I think adding Schwarber onto the WS roster would be a mistake; there's no way the guy is going to be ready to hit major league pitching of that caliber based on a handful of AFL at-bats.

 

For the three people who will get this reference, this isn't much different than Charlie Davies and Stuart Holden trying to rush back from severe injuries to make the World Cup roster in 2010. One guy made it and played 45 seconds and was clearly not game-ready and the other guy didn't make it back and in part because of rushed rehab took 3 more years to get his career back on track.

 

It's not worth rushing him back.

 

I don't think it's the same. There's not really a way for a guy to play a limited, specific role in soccer. I don't think it would've worked in another series, but with the AL rules for 4 games, and the diminished need for a deep bullpen, I don't think you lose much by having him on the roster.

 

Yeah. I mean the downside is he goes 0-3 or 0-4 or something instead of what Coghlan or maybe Soler vs. a righty would've done.

 

The downside would be him trying to run the bases and aggravating the newly reconstructed knee.

[Tim]

What makes people think they don't have Hammel, Cahill, etc. down there throwing him pitches during this break? Or that he's not facing live pitching at the minor league complex in addition to his game time?

 

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm sure the Cubs will find a way to get him additional reps on top of what he's seeing in the AFL.

[USSoccer]

What makes people think they don't have Hammel, Cahill, etc. down there throwing him pitches during this break? Or that he's not facing live pitching at the minor league complex in addition to his game time?

 

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm sure the Cubs will find a way to get him additional reps on top of what he's seeing in the AFL.

 

Its a lot different than facing Kluber in a World Series game, so there's that.

[Banedon]

The downside would be him trying to run the bases and aggravating the newly reconstructed knee.

 

He's medically cleared for that already. I mean, I don't think you have him stealing bases...but no reason you can't have him mash.

[Tim]

 

I don't think it's the same. There's not really a way for a guy to play a limited, specific role in soccer. I don't think it would've worked in another series, but with the AL rules for 4 games, and the diminished need for a deep bullpen, I don't think you lose much by having him on the roster.

 

Yeah. I mean the downside is he goes 0-3 or 0-4 or something instead of what Coghlan or maybe Soler vs. a righty would've done.

 

The downside would be him trying to run the bases and aggravating the newly reconstructed knee.

He's been cleared medically. As much as Theo + Jed love the guy, I'm sure they wouldn't let him go if it weren't safe.

[UMFan83]

What makes people think they don't have Hammel, Cahill, etc. down there throwing him pitches during this break? Or that he's not facing live pitching at the minor league complex in addition to his game time?

 

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm sure the Cubs will find a way to get him additional reps on top of what he's seeing in the AFL.

 

He's been facing live pitching every day since he was cleared last Monday I believe.

[Tim]

What makes people think they don't have Hammel, Cahill, etc. down there throwing him pitches during this break? Or that he's not facing live pitching at the minor league complex in addition to his game time?

 

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm sure the Cubs will find a way to get him additional reps on top of what he's seeing in the AFL.

 

Its a lot different than facing Kluber in a World Series game, so there's that.

How, exactly, is LaStella much more ready for that?

[USSoccer]

The downside would be him trying to run the bases and aggravating the newly reconstructed knee.

 

He's medically cleared for that already. I mean, I don't think you have him stealing bases...but no reason you can't have him mash.

 

I understand that, but given the severity of the injury with the time elapsed from the injury, I'd err on the side of caution with an asset like Schwarber.

[USSoccer]

What makes people think they don't have Hammel, Cahill, etc. down there throwing him pitches during this break? Or that he's not facing live pitching at the minor league complex in addition to his game time?

 

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm sure the Cubs will find a way to get him additional reps on top of what he's seeing in the AFL.

 

Its a lot different than facing Kluber in a World Series game, so there's that.

How, exactly, is LaStella much more ready for that?

 

LaStella sucks out loud. But only Jesse Rogers cares if Slappy the Seal blows his knee out rounding 1st.

[Tim]

 

Its a lot different than facing Kluber in a World Series game, so there's that.

How, exactly, is LaStella much more ready for that?

 

LaStella sucks out loud. But only Jesse Rogers cares if Slappy the Seal blows his knee out rounding 1st.

I'm confused if your issue is the threat of reinjury or if it is whether he'll be able to hit off Kluber. You keep changing the argument.

[USSoccer]

How, exactly, is LaStella much more ready for that?

 

LaStella sucks out loud. But only Jesse Rogers cares if Slappy the Seal blows his knee out rounding 1st.

I'm confused if your issue is the threat of reinjury or if it is whether he'll be able to hit off Kluber. You keep changing the argument.

 

No, it's both. I'm saying that the low likelihood of him having success against high level pitching right now isn't worth the potential injury risk.

[Tim]

 

LaStella sucks out loud. But only Jesse Rogers cares if Slappy the Seal blows his knee out rounding 1st.

I'm confused if your issue is the threat of reinjury or if it is whether he'll be able to hit off Kluber. You keep changing the argument.

 

No, it's both. I'm saying that the low likelihood of him having success against high level pitching right now isn't worth the injury risk.

Well, not all the AB's will come against Kluber and Miller. Do you think he'll be able to hit Tomlin?

[mikeyt34]

All the Cub beat writers I'm reading and hearing this morning seem to think this is happening. Phil Rodgers was just on MLB network and stopped short of confirming this, only saying it makes perfect sense. Schwarbs is from Ohio and in his limited time playing in Cleveland and Cincy he has great numbers playing in his home state in front of family and friends. He said essentially the Cubs aren't planning on keeping Rob Z on the roster so it comes down to Schwarbs or Seal Boy. Do we want a quitter or one of the most popular players in recent memory? Schwarbs wins by a landslide.

[itisallpartoftheplan]

I'm sure the organization will make the right medical decision based on their evaluators. On the plus side, you put Schwarber in there, if the swing is on and he can run ... he can easily DH and be a useful late inning PH option. With 4 possible games in AL parks (here's hoping not ... and the Cubs win at home), okay. That said ... sure feels like, as talented and hard-working as he is, it might be risky to bring a guy who hasn't faced live major league pitching in months. Arizona is great, but it's different. Add in that it would limit the roster a bit more, in terms of flexibility, particularly if he's not 100% and limited to just hitting and running the bases. I guess, with Maddon, he can find a way around.

 

At the end of the day, it's remarkable Schwarber is even ready to be considered. I trust they'll make the right decision. My hunch is that they'll put him on and take, say, Coghlan off, as Coghlan really isn't going to be used in the field unless it's an emergency.

 

IMO the medical decision has been made, or else Theo wouldn't have said what he's said. He had no qualms saying, "absolutely not" before. If there was any question medically, that would still be the answer.

 

The only question now is if he can get his swing and timing back.

 

Coghlan got exactly 3 plate appearances in the NLCS, going 0-2 with a walk.

 

I'm confident Schwarber could have done that from a gurney.

 

Not about Schwarber, but did anything important come after that Coghlan walk?

[Buster]

Need a thread title update.

[USSoccer]

I'm confused if your issue is the threat of reinjury or if it is whether he'll be able to hit off Kluber. You keep changing the argument.

 

No, it's both. I'm saying that the low likelihood of him having success against high level pitching right now isn't worth the injury risk.

Well, not all the AB's will come against Kluber and Miller. Do you think he'll be able to hit Tomlin?

 

I don't think a rusty Schwarber with a newly reconstructed knee is likely to have success against any of Cleveland's pitching and I'd rather not risk him putting game-stress on that newly reconstructed knee, regardless of medical clearance, for a low chance he his a ball over a fence and can jog.

[USSoccer]

All the Cub beat writers I'm reading and hearing this morning seem to think this is happening. Phil Rodgers was just on MLB network and stopped short of confirming this, only saying it makes perfect sense. Schwarbs is from Ohio and in his limited time playing in Cleveland and Cincy he has great numbers playing in his home state in front of family and friends. He said essentially the Cubs aren't planning on keeping Rob Z on the roster so it comes down to Schwarbs or Seal Boy. Do we want a quitter or one of the most popular players in recent memory? Schwarbs wins by a landslide.

 

Well so long as the decision is being made for objective reasons

[jersey cubs fan]

All the Cub beat writers I'm reading and hearing this morning seem to think this is happening. Phil Rodgers was just on MLB network and stopped short of confirming this, only saying it makes perfect sense. Schwarbs is from Ohio and in his limited time playing in Cleveland and Cincy he has great numbers playing in his home state in front of family and friends. He said essentially the Cubs aren't planning on keeping Rob Z on the roster so it comes down to Schwarbs or Seal Boy. Do we want a quitter or one of the most popular players in recent memory? Schwarbs wins by a landslide.

 

Well so long as the decision is being made for objective reasons

so are we not giving the benefit of the doubt to this staff and management team?

[USSoccer]

All the Cub beat writers I'm reading and hearing this morning seem to think this is happening. Phil Rodgers was just on MLB network and stopped short of confirming this, only saying it makes perfect sense. Schwarbs is from Ohio and in his limited time playing in Cleveland and Cincy he has great numbers playing in his home state in front of family and friends. He said essentially the Cubs aren't planning on keeping Rob Z on the roster so it comes down to Schwarbs or Seal Boy. Do we want a quitter or one of the most popular players in recent memory? Schwarbs wins by a landslide.

 

Well so long as the decision is being made for objective reasons

so are we not giving the benefit of the doubt to this staff and management team?

 

I guess.

 

I would just be a lot more cautious with an asset like Schwarber. If they feel like he's that much of an upgrade as the bench bat/PH that it outweighs the rust and potential injury risk..i guess if any management team has earned that benefit it's this one.

[UMFan83]

The downside would be him trying to run the bases and aggravating the newly reconstructed knee.

 

He's medically cleared for that already. I mean, I don't think you have him stealing bases...but no reason you can't have him mash.

 

I understand that, but given the severity of the injury with the time elapsed from the injury, I'd err on the side of caution with an asset like Schwarber.

 

I said this yesterday and I'll say it again. Here are the facts:

 

1. The Cubs can win the World Series without Schwarber aka they don't "need him" to the point where they'd rush him back and risk reinjury

2. That said, the Cubs chances increase if Schwarber is on the roster over someone like LaStella even when rusty

3. Theo has been extremely transparent with regards to Schwarber's timetable and to me has given no indication that he is the type of person to rush someone back before they are ready

4. Doctors will not clear someone to hit and jog the bases if there was a chance of reinjury

5. If there was a chance of re-injury there is no reason to believe anyone would approve of him playing

6. Playing a soccer game is not the same as swinging a bat 7-8 times in a game and jogging the bases in mostly straight lines

7. There have been instances of players returning from torn knee ligaments that include the ACL after 6 months and playing much more demanding sports

[David]

 

I don't think it's the same. There's not really a way for a guy to play a limited, specific role in soccer. I don't think it would've worked in another series, but with the AL rules for 4 games, and the diminished need for a deep bullpen, I don't think you lose much by having him on the roster.

 

Yeah. I mean the downside is he goes 0-3 or 0-4 or something instead of what Coghlan or maybe Soler vs. a righty would've done.

 

The downside would be him trying to run the bases and aggravating the newly reconstructed knee.

 

He is medically cleared.

 

EDIT - NM, I see this was already addressed. But he's been medically cleared. This is a kind of a pet peeve of mine given the nonsense that happened with Rose. We don't need to wait for God to say he's good. If doctors said he's good to go, he's good...they wouldn't be taking a needless risk here.

Edited October 24, 2016 by David

[itisallpartoftheplan]

I heard Derrick Rose thinks Schwarber should sit out until next October.

[itisallpartoftheplan]

Need a thread title update.

 

Kyle Schwarber: World Series MVP

[jersey cubs fan]

I guess.

 

I would just be a lot more cautious with an asset like Schwarber. If they feel like he's that much of an upgrade as the bench bat/PH that it outweighs the rust and potential injury risk..i guess if any management team has earned that benefit it's this one.

But he's not a pitcher or a running back so the need to be cautious is not that extreme. He has been cleared medically. He will almost certainly be used strictly as a bat. And the dude has been out for over 6 months now. That injury was a long time ago. It's not like they rushed to get him back on the September roster or anything. He's going to be a threat.

 

 

There was a theory that all that hubbub was strictly an act to distract from the game 6 tension, and they may still end up being the case. But if they actually do use him, I would not consider it risky or all that crazy.