General Cubs Chit-Chat

[Hairyducked Idiot]

We should ask Brewers fans where our rotation ranks because they are apparently right about everything

[Bertz]

Wait, is this "the rotation is bad" thing like a bit or did all five original guys get raptured away last night? Is this the Leftovers and they're the cast of Perfect Strangers?

 

They're not the Indians by any stretch, but it's a good rotation.

[CubinNY]

This starting rotation is basically a grenade with the pin just barely hanging on for dear life.

WTF is PTR/Theo going to do at the deadline if the Cubs are sitting in 3rd place, 1 game out of the WC and 4 out of the central and he needs a TOR starter?

[Banedon]

Wait, is this "the rotation is bad" thing like a bit or did all five original guys get raptured away last night? Is this the Leftovers and they're the cast of Perfect Strangers?

 

They're not the Indians by any stretch, but it's a good rotation.

 

They're doing the doom-boner thing. There's no real point to arguing against it.

[CubinNY]

Wait, is this "the rotation is bad" thing like a bit or did all five original guys get raptured away last night? Is this the Leftovers and they're the cast of Perfect Strangers?

 

They're not the Indians by any stretch, but it's a good rotation.

Last year is just that. The rotation isn’t terrible, but it’s not great and getting older real quick.

[Sammy Sofa]

Wait, is this "the rotation is bad" thing like a bit or did all five original guys get raptured away last night? Is this the Leftovers and they're the cast of Perfect Strangers?

 

They're not the Indians by any stretch, but it's a good rotation.

 

They're doing the doom-boner thing. There's no real point to arguing against it.

 

Or it's an unchanged pitching staff made up of old guys/high injury risks/swingmen/just plain sucks and Kyle Hendricks.

[Brian]

Javy may not know your name, but Cole Roederer doesn't know your face.

 

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[Brian]

looks like he may have added a Dempster glove wiggle to combat tipping pitches, didn't see that in these clips from a game last year

 

Edited January 21, 2019 by Brian

[Cubswin11]

looks like he made have added a Dempster glove wiggle to combat tipping pitches, didn't see that in these clips from a game last year

 

Good pick up. Will be interesting to follow through ST if it is something he’s going to do or just something he did for whatever reason in this one clip. I know he incorporates the Kershaw/Cueto hesitation thing once in a while to throw off timing since he’s gone to the stretch full time. Could be him looking to add a new thing to throw off pitch tipping/timing.

[Cubswin11]

This horsefeathering medical staff

 

 

Morrow also explained why didn’t have surgery until a little over a month after he’d been shut down and the Cubs season had ended.

 

“In the middle of October is when they started looking at it,” Morrow said. “I came back and had another MRI to see how the bone bruise was progressing and everything had cleared up. But I was still having some pain bouncing it extension, bouncing it inflection.”

 

Because of that, the medical staff decided to progress beyond an MRI to a CT scan.

 

Why the horsefeathers wasn’t the CT Scan done sooner?

[WrigleyField 22]

This horsefeathering medical staff

 

 

Morrow also explained why didn’t have surgery until a little over a month after he’d been shut down and the Cubs season had ended.

 

“In the middle of October is when they started looking at it,” Morrow said. “I came back and had another MRI to see how the bone bruise was progressing and everything had cleared up. But I was still having some pain bouncing it extension, bouncing it inflection.”

 

Because of that, the medical staff decided to progress beyond an MRI to a CT scan.

 

Why the horsefeathers wasn’t the CT Scan done sooner?

Huh, I thought the CT scan was usually the simpler test usually ordered first...

[Cubswin11]

Call me crazy, but the doctors I would be most leery of are the ones in a rush to blast patients with radiation then cutting them open.

When you have so much invested in these players and they tell you something hurts why wouldn’t they do the tests necessary to diagnose ASAP? Nobody is saying cut these guys open whenever, that should always be last case. But why shouldn’t they do the tests they know is going to show the causes right away? This isn’t some person off the street that timing isn’t as crucial and they can let things play out.

 

Morrow was from July-October with them not knowing what was wrong and him telling them he didn’t feel right and not getting any better/being able to throw without pain. Why did it take so long for the light to go off “hey, maybe we should do a CT Scan since that shows things differently from an MRI since something is clearly wrong and the MRI is telling us there isn’t much here for him to be feeling this way?”

[Cubswin11]

When you have so much invested in these players and they tell you something hurts why wouldn’t they do the tests necessary to diagnose ASAP? Nobody is saying cut these guys open whenever, that should always be last case. But why shouldn’t they do the tests they know is going to show the causes right away? This isn’t some person off the street that timing isn’t as crucial and they can let things play out.

 

More reason to go the safest routes first - rest and therapy, not less. The first reaction to fixing something extremely valuable and expensive should definitely not be to blast it with dangerous particles. Straight up - people overrate and overvalue fancier sounding medical procedures, most of that horsefeathers is fast becoming archaic/obsolete. There’s tons of literature on unnecessary medical procedures, this country especially can’t wait to test, scan, image, and/or operate.

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/medical-procedures-prove-unnecessary/

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/doctors-estimate-68-billion-in-unnecessary-medical-tests/2011/10/28/gIQANpEXZM_story.html?utm_term=.609ae14b4ddf

For the regular person I agree. For athletes that need their bodies working as best as possible at certain times of the year that have millions invested in them and talking specifically pitchers and their arms here, I don’t get why you aren’t doing all the reasonable tests out there when guys tell you something hurts to get to the bottom of it. If you know there’s 2-3 scans that will show you the cause, but some can miss certain injuries why not do all them? I’m not saying go cut a guy open and dig around until you find something.

Edited January 23, 2019 by Cubswin11

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

When you have so much invested in these players and they tell you something hurts why wouldn’t they do the tests necessary to diagnose ASAP? Nobody is saying cut these guys open whenever, that should always be last case. But why shouldn’t they do the tests they know is going to show the causes right away? This isn’t some person off the street that timing isn’t as crucial and they can let things play out.

 

More reason to go the safest routes first - rest and therapy, not less. The first reaction to fixing something extremely valuable and expensive, let alone a living and breathing organism, should definitely not be to blast it with dangerous particles. What it does to a person both physically and mentally is not something to be trifled with. Straight up - people overrate and overvalue fancier sounding medical procedures, most of that horsefeathers is fast becoming archaic/obsolete. There’s tons of literature on unnecessary medical procedures, this country especially can’t wait to test, scan, image, and/or operate.

 

A couple non-academic pieces:

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/medical-procedures-prove-unnecessary/

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/doctors-estimate-68-billion-in-unnecessary-medical-tests/2011/10/28/gIQANpEXZM_story.html?utm_term=.609ae14b4ddf

Those articles almost exclusively are (rightly) harping on the COST of the diagnostics. What isn't dealing with diagnostic cost is the stuff in the Scientific American where they talk about treating slow-growing cancer that is unlikely to effect anyone before they die of other stuff. It definitely doesn't apply to billionaire owned teams checking in on their millionaire athletes' bodies.

 

On a side note, are you also scared of wi-fi, microwave ovens, and visible light?

[Sammy Sofa]

Tom turned into Cubbie Swagger so slowly I didn't even notice it happening.

[WrigleyField 22]

"Blasted" by xrays.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

"Blasted" by xrays.

I got 'blasted" by X-rays just last week at the dentist. Actual footage

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

"Blasted" by xrays.

 

There’s literally no other way to describe something powerful enough to travel through tissues, organs, and bones. Like I said, feel free to call me crazy, but some of you guys are *insanely* casual about this stuff as if there is zero consequence

The sound of a sneeze can pass through BONE

[Tim]

There are forms of radiation that are continually passing through the entire earth. Obviously, too much radiation = bad. But it takes a lot of radiation to reach those levels.

 

Here's a quick article from Harvard Medical School: https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/should-i-worry-about-x-rays

 

Take that 25 CT recommendation with this understanding - that's chest CT's. A CT on the elbow won't have nearly the exposure that a chest CT would. While you shouldn't prescribe monthly CT's on every pitcher's elbow, having one whenever they are hurt enough to go onto the DL is a pretty reasonable compromise.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

Sneezes...X-rays...Tomato/Tomahto? This is the kind of dismissive garbage stated when there’s zero to risk, which is not the position teams and players are in

Its true that X-rays can make the cancers, but everything has risk. Hell, the cancer risk of being exposed to sunlight for 162 games a year is probably the same order of magnitude as a CT scan on a limb.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Tom turned into Cubbie Swagger so slowly I didn't even notice it happening.

well that explains the profile pic disappearing. soon it’ll be his whole account

[Tim]

There are forms of radiation that are continually passing through the entire earth. Obviously, too much radiation = bad. But it takes a lot of radiation to reach those levels.

 

Not an excuse to put a person through concentrated doses probably/possibly unnecessarily, particularly given the large sums of money involved on both sides that allow for more holistic or possibly/probably modern alternatives. If you can both afford to avoid it plus still haven't eliminated all alternatives, then the easy call is to avoid. These are last resort kind of procedures

You did read the article, right?

[jersey cubs fan]

If you get them drunk on top shelf stuff it negates the risk of radiation.