General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

[CubinNY]

The older I get the more I appreciate how gd unique this guy was (and is) within the cesspool that is 21st century major league sports:

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/derek-jeter-documentary-the-captain-premieres

 

 

The league found a way to use his greatness against him of course…He’s like the OG of Actually this great player and individual is Not That Good, I was among the parrots citing the important science…definitely helped the league cultivate the mentality that winning is overrated and often nein ineffizient anyway

In a previous life, I was 7th grade social studies teacher in Kalamazoo public schools. My only brush with fame is that I taught his sister US History and geography. I remember when he was drafted and how proud his sister was. I'm pretty sure his dad was a chemist at one of the pharma companies that use to be in Kalamazoo. She was a great kid.

[CoolHandLuke]

Wait, what did the league do to him?

[Sammy Sofa]

This is gonna be good.

 

And by good, I mean horsefeathering bugnuts.

[CubinNY]

Where would you rate Ichiro in terms of all time great position players?

 

Ruth

Mays

Williams

Ichiro

Bonds

[Backtobanks]

Where would you rate Ichiro in terms of all time great position players?

 

Ruth

Mays

Williams

Ichiro

Bonds

 

Aaron?

Clemente?

Musial?

Gehrig?

Cobb?

Wagner?

[OleMissCub]

Where would you rate Ichiro in terms of all time great position players?

 

Ruth

Mays

Williams

Ichiro

Bonds

 

Hmmm, well JAWS has him as the 16th ranked RF ever.

 

The other guys on your list according to JAWS

 

Ruth #1 RF

Mays #1 CF

Williams #2 LF

Bonds #1 LF

 

I mean, if he had played in the MLB starting at age 21 or something, then he might have ended up 5th or so in RF all time, but as it stands now he’s not an Inner Circle HOF like those other guys.

[Cubswin11]

Where would you rate Ichiro in terms of all time great position players?

 

Ruth

Mays

Williams

Ichiro

Bonds

Not very high? Trout, Pujols, A-Rod amongst a lot of other names some mentioned already. Then you got Soto on his way and even Harper is only like 13 WAR behind Ichiro and has half his career PAs and the WAR is roughly 57 vs 44. His peak WAR single season was 7.1. Sure if he was over earlier he’d have more counting value and stats. I loved him as a player and he’s truly historic. But think there’s a lot of guys better in peak years and overall value/WAR.

 

If the historical significance factors in he’s much higher for me, but if just peak performance/WAR I think there’s a good amount of guys higher than him. Imo. And yeah he should be in the HOF.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

And yeah he should be in the HOF.

[CubinNY]

Where would you rate Ichiro in terms of all time great position players?

 

Ruth

Mays

Williams

Ichiro

Bonds

 

Hmmm, well JAWS has him as the 16th ranked RF ever.

 

The other guys on your list according to JAWS

 

Ruth #1 RF

Mays #1 CF

Williams #2 LF

Bonds #1 LF

 

I mean, if he had played in the MLB starting at age 21 or something, then he might have ended up 5th or so in RF all time, but as it stands now he’s not an Inner Circle HOF like those other guys.

To me, he's as close to Ty Cobb as we are ever going to see in our lifetime. I think if he would have played his entire career here, he'd be right up there and probably would have broken Rose's hit record.

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To me, he's as close to Ty Cobb as we are ever going to see in our lifetime. I think if he would have played his entire career here, he'd be right up there and probably would have broken Rose's hit record.

 

ichiro struck out more than he walked. if you're going for a ty cobb comparison, ted williams or tony gwynn would be more apt.

[We Got The Whole 9]

He really just hung on for 8 seasons (and another 2 as a small-bit player) adding about 5 WAR in that time and 850 hits, while posting a 80 wRC+

 

I would take Wade Boggs over Ichiro any day of the week

 

To have him as a top 5 position player is insane

 

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[OleMissCub]

To me, he's as close to Ty Cobb as we are ever going to see in our lifetime.

 

Not at all. I guess people might assume that Cobb was a slappy singles hitter due to how many hits he had but he led the league in SLG 8 times and is 4th all time in doubles and 2nd all time in triples. Ichiro's career SLG is over 100 points lower than Cobb's.

 

I think Gwynn with more speed (let's not forget that before he got fat he once stole 56 bases in a season) and a bit more power would be the best comp for Cobb. Cobb is a bit hard to do a similarity rating on because you don't see major speed guys with high BA's and also good SLG like that.

[17 Seconds]

i love the fathers day hats

 

[Ding Dong Johnson]

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[soccer10k]

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For a supposedly smart baseball guy, Mike Schur has some awful tweets when it comes to the Yankees.

 

1. Saves? Really?

2. Rivera’s career WHIP was 1.00 so 1.08 was actually below average for his career. It’s actually his fifth worst season for WHIP in his career.

3. To use some other metrics, his 2004 was middle of the pack for Rivera in ERA, ERA+ and FIP.

 

I mean, I get it. He’s a Red Sox fan who hates the Yankees but some of the stuff he tweets is ridiculous. He was complaining about Matt Carpenter after about 25 PAs.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The only mention of saves was in the context of “in the year the greatest closer of all time had his career high in ‘saves’ his WHIP was higher than the entirety of the Yankees staff right now”. horsefeathers.

[soccer10k]

Okay? He said the 2004 season was peak Rivera, which by any number of metrics it wasn’t. And when he says “peak Mariano Rivera” he mentions two stats in the same tweet. One of which Rivera posted a bottom 5 career WHIP and the other was a career high. Not a hard leap to make that peak and career high are used in a similar context.

 

Like I said. Dumb tweet by a smart baseball fan. Tons of us have made dumb posts on here when it comes to the Cardinals so I’m not judging him.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Things that make you go hmmm

 

 

To put a finer point on it, 5 of the top 15 increases at his link are Yankees

[Bertz]

Okay? He said the 2004 season was peak Rivera, which by any number of metrics it wasn’t. And when he says “peak Mariano Rivera” he mentions two stats in the same tweet. One of which Rivera posted a bottom 5 career WHIP and the other was a career high. Not a hard leap to make that peak and career high are used in a similar context.

 

Like I said. Dumb tweet by a smart baseball fan. Tons of us have made dumb posts on here when it comes to the Cardinals so I’m not judging him.

 

For a guy who got famous among baseball fans for being a sabr guy, he's shockingly number illiterate. He's had some takes during COVID that show he doesn't super get math.

[WrigleyField 22]

Okay? He said the 2004 season was peak Rivera, which by any number of metrics it wasn’t. And when he says “peak Mariano Rivera” he mentions two stats in the same tweet. One of which Rivera posted a bottom 5 career WHIP and the other was a career high. Not a hard leap to make that peak and career high are used in a similar context.

 

Like I said. Dumb tweet by a smart baseball fan. Tons of us have made dumb posts on here when it comes to the Cardinals so I’m not judging him.

 

For a guy who got famous among baseball fans for being a sabr guy, he's shockingly number illiterate. He's had some takes during COVID that show he doesn't super get math.

Was he ever explicitly a sabr guy or did he just make a funny running joke about a fictional law firm using sabr stat names?

[Andy]

Things that make you go hmmm

 

 

To put a finer point on it, 5 of the top 15 increases at his link are Yankees

I'm an idiot. Do we think something nefarious could increase a player's barrel rate? It seems like that's cheat proof but we've learned pretty much nothing is

[OleMissCub]

Things that make you go hmmm

 

 

To put a finer point on it, 5 of the top 15 increases at his link are Yankees

I'm an idiot. Do we think something nefarious could increase a player's barrel rate? It seems like that's cheat proof but we've learned pretty much nothing is

 

Knowing what’s coming would increase your barrel rate. And no I’m not suggesting they’re cheating.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Things that make you go hmmm

 

 

To put a finer point on it, 5 of the top 15 increases at his link are Yankees

I'm an idiot. Do we think something nefarious could increase a player's barrel rate? It seems like that's cheat proof but we've learned pretty much nothing is

 

Knowing what’s coming would increase your barrel rate. And no I’m not suggesting they’re cheating.

 

I kinda am, they're almost halfway through their home schedule and they're playing at a 130 win pace at Yankee stadium, something is a bit too good to be true.

[OleMissCub]

They did get a new hitting coach in the offseason so maybe it’s that? Maybe he’s just super good?

[Andy]

Things that make you go hmmm

 

 

To put a finer point on it, 5 of the top 15 increases at his link are Yankees

I'm an idiot. Do we think something nefarious could increase a player's barrel rate? It seems like that's cheat proof but we've learned pretty much nothing is

 

Knowing what’s coming would increase your barrel rate. And no I’m not suggesting they’re cheating.

I knew I was right to call myself an idiot, I was thinking of manipulation of the physical bats and not about sign-stealing type stuff.