If Soler is dealt

[rawaction]

With Schwarber and Soler manning the corners here, real possibility, I think it's a great idea to shop Coghlan and look at more glove oriented reserve OFers.

 

Yeah, definitely going to be an opportunity for a trade with Cogs. With Schwarber and Soler being younger, cheaper and more talented and Coghlan's inability to play CF.....he's not going to have a big role on the team next year. He's definitely a starting caliber OF, and may make too much for a seldom used 4th OF (being that he won't necessarily be a defensive replacement either). I think someone would give up something (nothing major) to have him as the LHH part of a LF platoon, and it's a good way for the Cubs to clear up a few million. And honestly, if the Cubs add a good CF and find the right bench OF, they will only need to carry 4 guys out there all year, especially with Bryant and potentially Baez having the ability to play out there.

[Guest]

Coghlan isn't an absolute necessity, but at 4 million he's hardly so expensive for his role that you need to trade him either. Soler has had recurring injury problems and still needs to establish his bat, Schwarber might be doing more catching, and while Bryant is a possibility in the OF, if one of Castro or Baez are traded that makes it less likely he gets a bunch of starts there. With Coghlan only having one year to free agency that limits his trade market too, so unless you find a perfect fit where Coghlan gets you a really good pen arm(unlikely given his market is largely contenders) or solid rotation depth, it makes just as much if not more sense to keep him. For as much as this team can get away with 4 outfielders, it can probably get away with 5 infielders even more considering there's no need for a SS-capable backup IF.

[davell]

At this point, I'm thinking Coghlan is quite valuable to us, since I think Soler is the likeliest of our kids to be dealt.

[sneakypower]

how quickly we forget how much it sucked having a terrible bench all throughout the first half

[imb]

Can I appreciate what Coghlan has done here without being convinced that a 5 million no glove bench option makes or breaks the 2016 bench? I mean, Schwarber already has the RH mashing/bad OF defense role now, no?

 

what side of the plate do you think coghlan hits from

[mul21]

Can I appreciate what Coghlan has done here without being convinced that a 5 million no glove bench option makes or breaks the 2016 bench? I mean, Schwarber already has the RH mashing/bad OF defense role now, no?

 

what side of the plate do you think coghlan hits from

 

He meant mashing RH pitchers.

[Guest]

Can I appreciate what Coghlan has done here without being convinced that a 5 million no glove bench option makes or breaks the 2016 bench? I mean, Schwarber already has the RH mashing/bad OF defense role now, no?

 

what side of the plate do you think coghlan hits from

 

what side of the plate do you think schwarber hits from?

[imb]

i dont know ok i was watching football

[toonsterwu]

At this point, I'm thinking Coghlan is quite valuable to us, since I think Soler is the likeliest of our kids to be dealt.

 

Oh, if an OF gets dealt, then yes, we should probably keep Coghlan (unless there's some weird scenario where we land back an intriguing outfield asset, or they decide to spend big on someone in FA).

 

And certainly, TT is correct in that, he's cheap enough that keeping him might be worth it. It's tough to gauge the 2nd tier OF market at this stage, but I wouldn't call it implausible to think that the trade value he might be able to generate might mean more to the team than his role as depth. There would be a lot of variables at play (for example, can we find a capable replacement), so it's tough to determine at this early stage, but I can envision him as a possible key 2nd piece to a major deal.

[biittner77]

Coghlan is a tough case. He still sees himself as a starter. Maddon seems to like him. But his future is completely dependent on the other moves the Cubs make. A RH version of Coghlan with better defense would be a better fit. That doesn't seem like it would be that hard to find.

[JennieGarthAlgar]

Coghlan is a tough case. He still sees himself as a starter. Maddon seems to like him. But his future is completely dependent on the other moves the Cubs make. A RH version of Coghlan with better defense would be a better fit. That doesn't seem like it would be that hard to find.

 

Austin Jackson?

[jumbo]

Coghlan is a tough case. He still sees himself as a starter. Maddon seems to like him. But his future is completely dependent on the other moves the Cubs make. A RH version of Coghlan with better defense would be a better fit. That doesn't seem like it would be that hard to find.

 

Austin Jackson?

 

Coghlan and Jackson are just about exact opposites

[biittner77]

Coghlan is a tough case. He still sees himself as a starter. Maddon seems to like him. But his future is completely dependent on the other moves the Cubs make. A RH version of Coghlan with better defense would be a better fit. That doesn't seem like it would be that hard to find.

 

Austin Jackson?

 

If he could hit better than he showed as a Cub, yes.

 

Let's say that the Cubs keep Soler and have Schwarber catch about 30 games. That would open up potentially 60-70 starts (depending on the health and performance of Soler) for Coghlan. That would probably be ok if they signed Heyward for CF. Though the defense would be lucky to be only "merely bad".

[Guest]

The OF D got by this year with Fowler in CF full time between Soler and Schwarber. Sure they were bad overall, but no one seemed to care or notice. Heyward's an insanely better defender than Fowler, even if nominally he is a RF, so I assume the starting OF defense would hang around average. From there build a more defense oriented OF bench...not so hard to do, probably.

 

I don't understand why it's either/or. Get a RH OF that can play some CF and you're set. If you need to deal Coghlan to be able to afford other moves or to get some other return, that's okay, but trading him because Schwarber and Soler exist is silly. Soler only played 101 games and still has to prove his offensive worth. Schwarber could be catching 1 in 5 games or more. There is plenty of room for non-starters that are talented, even if there is some overlap of skills.

[Guest]

At this point, I'm thinking Coghlan is quite valuable to us, since I think Soler is the likeliest of our kids to be dealt.

 

I think Schwarber is the most likely to be dealt. Its not certain, but its a good bet his value is at its peak after all those sexy postseason homers. He'll always be a defensive liability no matter where he plays, and an AL team in need of a DH would value him very highly. Either way you're right, that is going to make Coghlan very valuable in 2016.

[Cubswin11]

I hope we come back and laugh at this thread in a few years when we don't trade Soler and he becomes the Donging leviathan he was meant to be for this team.

[Sammy Sofa]

The Donging Leviathan

 

Please please PLEASE pleasepleaseplease make this your new screenname. It's fantastic.

[Backtobanks]

At this point, I'm thinking Coghlan is quite valuable to us, since I think Soler is the likeliest of our kids to be dealt.

 

I think Schwarber is the most likely to be dealt. Its not certain, but its a good bet his value is at its peak after all those sexy postseason homers. He'll always be a defensive liability no matter where he plays, and an AL team in need of a DH would value him very highly. Either way you're right, that is going to make Coghlan very valuable in 2016.

 

I doubt that the FO will be actively shopping Schwarber, but they ought to be listening to any offers from AL teams. If Beane offers Gray in a deal involving Schwarber, they ought to jump on it.

[KingCubsFan]

At this point, I'm thinking Coghlan is quite valuable to us, since I think Soler is the likeliest of our kids to be dealt.

 

I think Schwarber is the most likely to be dealt. Its not certain, but its a good bet his value is at its peak after all those sexy postseason homers. He'll always be a defensive liability no matter where he plays, and an AL team in need of a DH would value him very highly. Either way you're right, that is going to make Coghlan very valuable in 2016.

 

I doubt that the FO will be actively shopping Schwarber, but they ought to be listening to any offers from AL teams. If Beane offers Gray in a deal involving Schwarber, they ought to jump on it.

Fun fact: Gray had a higher FIP and xFIP than Hendricks last year.

[Derwood]

I don't care if Schwarber sits out in LF in a Barcalounger drinking a beer, I'm not trading him

[muntjack]

Qualified players that put up Schwarber's combo of ISO and BB%

 

Harper

Trout

Bautista

 

I just don't know if I trade him for a pitcher.

[imb]

At this point, I'm thinking Coghlan is quite valuable to us, since I think Soler is the likeliest of our kids to be dealt.

 

I think Schwarber is the most likely to be dealt. Its not certain, but its a good bet his value is at its peak after all those sexy postseason homers. He'll always be a defensive liability no matter where he plays, and an AL team in need of a DH would value him very highly. Either way you're right, that is going to make Coghlan very valuable in 2016.

 

I doubt that the FO will be actively shopping Schwarber, but they ought to be listening to any offers from AL teams. If Beane offers Gray in a deal involving Schwarber, they ought to jump on it.

 

are you out of your...*checks screen name* ... oh ok

[Sammy Sofa]

At this point, I'm thinking Coghlan is quite valuable to us, since I think Soler is the likeliest of our kids to be dealt.

 

I think Schwarber is the most likely to be dealt. Its not certain, but its a good bet his value is at its peak after all those sexy postseason homers. He'll always be a defensive liability no matter where he plays, and an AL team in need of a DH would value him very highly. Either way you're right, that is going to make Coghlan very valuable in 2016.

 

I doubt that the FO will be actively shopping Schwarber, but they ought to be listening to any offers from AL teams. If Beane offers Gray in a deal involving Schwarber, they ought to jump on it.

 

are you out of your...*checks screen name* ... oh ok

 

[Cubswin11]

The Donging Leviathan

 

Please please PLEASE pleasepleaseplease make this your new screenname. It's fantastic.

On it

[Guest]

Didn't want to create another thread for this.

 

No idea if the Royals would even be interested in trading him but is there any interest in Danny Duffy as a secondary rotation acquisition?