2016 rotation

[sontensei]

Price

Arrieta

Lester

Hammel

 

assuming Hammel pitches close to this year next year, thats pretty damn nice.

 

wonder if in the offseason during the winter meetings if the cubs get a hendricks upgrade similar in the sense of a not so super salary yet very capable young guy in a prospect swap package

[sneakypower]

Kyle Hendricks has a lower career ERA than David Price

[Guest]

Kyle Hendricks has a lower career ERA than David Price

Interesting note, but not all that telling.

[nolanwood]

Kyle Hendricks has a lower career ERA than David Price

 

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 

David Price has thrown 1,304 innings...Hendricks has thrown in 144 innings.

[SouthSideRyan]

I just worry that Price will get an ungodly contract and we'll be too afraid to go to that level. I'm thinking ~30M AAV

[Guest]

How about 'Kyle Hendricks has played at a 3.6 fWAR rate at the major league level, and if he is your 5 starter there is very little conceivable way to want to or actually upgrade that rotation spot'.

[Guest]

How about 'Kyle Hendricks has played at a 3.6 fWAR rate at the major league level, and if he is your 5 starter there is very little conceivable way to want to or actually upgrade that rotation spot'.

I'm fine with that. I'm quite happy with how Hendricks has pitched this year. He's a perfectly adequate back end of the rotation guy.

[Guest]

I just worry that Price will get an ungodly contract and we'll be too afraid to go to that level. I'm thinking ~30M AAV

Personally, I hope the Cubs aren't the team that pays him. There are better ways to find pitching. Price will be 30 and will get too long of a contract through his decline phase to make that kind of investment.

[nolanwood]

How about 'Kyle Hendricks has played at a 3.6 fWAR rate at the major league level, and if he is your 5 starter there is very little conceivable way to want to or actually upgrade that rotation spot'.

 

The big question is If he will continue to pitch at that rate. Is upgrading from Hendricks to Price worth an additional 25-30 mil per year? I'd love to have Price in the rotation, but I'm fairly certain it isn't the best allocation of resources...and I like Hendricks.

[Guest]

How about 'Kyle Hendricks has played at a 3.6 fWAR rate at the major league level, and if he is your 5 starter there is very little conceivable way to want to or actually upgrade that rotation spot'.

 

The big question is If he will continue to pitch at that rate. Is upgrading from Hendricks to Price worth an additional 25-30 mil per year? I'd love to have Price in the rotation, but I'm fairly certain it isn't the best allocation of resources...and I like Hendricks.

 

There is room in the rotation for both Hendricks and Price. Sneaky wasn't trying to decide between them, but rather highlight the absurdity of this:

 

wonder if in the offseason during the winter meetings if the cubs get a hendricks upgrade similar in the sense of a not so super salary yet very capable young guy in a prospect swap package

[Clem Fandango]

Why would we upgrade from Hendricks to Price? Getting Price still has room for Hendricks at #5. Unless the Cubs also trade for Cole Hamels or someone else, there's no reason to think that getting Price leaves Hendricks out of the rotation.

 

EDIT: TT beat me to it

[Gilby]

I'll be surprised if Theo/PTR will invest $300+M in two pitchers. Without Lester I'd give us a decent shot, but not really anymore. Plus, the Yankees and Red Sox will need pitching, and my sneaky pick for Price is the Astros with their tiny payroll.

[nolanwood]

How about 'Kyle Hendricks has played at a 3.6 fWAR rate at the major league level, and if he is your 5 starter there is very little conceivable way to want to or actually upgrade that rotation spot'.

 

The big question is If he will continue to pitch at that rate. Is upgrading from Hendricks to Price worth an additional 25-30 mil per year? I'd love to have Price in the rotation, but I'm fairly certain it isn't the best allocation of resources...and I like Hendricks.

 

There is room in the rotation for both Hendricks and Price. Sneaky wasn't trying to decide between them, but rather highlight the absurdity of this:

 

wonder if in the offseason during the winter meetings if the cubs get a hendricks upgrade similar in the sense of a not so super salary yet very capable young guy in a prospect swap package

 

I misunderstood...which explains why it didn't make any sense to me, as Hendricks and Price can both exist in our rotation.

[jersey cubs fan]

I just worry that Price will get an ungodly contract and we'll be too afraid to go to that level. I'm thinking ~30M AAV

Personally, I hope the Cubs aren't the team that pays him. There are better ways to find pitching. Price will be 30 and will get too long of a contract through his decline phase to make that kind of investment.

The Cubs aren't drafting any so their only option is to buy it.

[Tedward]

I just worry that Price will get an ungodly contract and we'll be too afraid to go to that level. I'm thinking ~30M AAV

Personally, I hope the Cubs aren't the team that pays him. There are better ways to find pitching. Price will be 30 and will get too long of a contract through his decline phase to make that kind of investment.

The Cubs aren't drafting any so their only option is to buy it.

 

Or trade for it.

[Tryptamine]

I'll be surprised if Theo/PTR will invest $300+M in two pitchers. Without Lester I'd give us a decent shot, but not really anymore. Plus, the Yankees and Red Sox will need pitching, and my sneaky pick for Price is the Astros with their tiny payroll.

 

This is my thoughts exactly. I simply don't believe Theoyer is going to throw another 150-170M on the table, 350M total, and spend it on 2 30+ year old pitchers. If another pitcher is coming I think they're coming via trade or perhaps a guy like Samardzija who has completely nose dived and would be lucky to touch 100M in FA. I dont' expect us to be in on Cueto,Price or Zimmerman unless they have an irrational hard on for wanting to be a Cub and will take a CJ Wilson deal.

[Irrelevant Dude]

I'll be surprised if Theo/PTR will invest $300+M in two pitchers.

What else would you expect them to spend money on? Having cheap, team-controlled position players enables them to overspend on pitching if necessary.

[KrisBryantisaBeast]

I think Price will cost way too much money and won't live up to the contract he ends up getting. Unless Turner pans out though we will still need a starting pitcher to take Wada spot in the rotation. Not sure how much someone like Cueto or Zimmerman or Kazmir will cost but I would prefer to buy a middle of the rotation starting pitcher instead of Price. Hendricks is a steal based on how little he is currently getting paid and for the production we are getting from him so he should absolutely remain in our starting rotation.

[XZero771679666304]

I think Price will cost way too much money and won't live up to the contract he ends up getting.

 

Yeah, you can easily say the same thing about Lester. That's how it is with top tier FA pitching, but as others have mentioned, one of the luxuries afforded to the FO because of having this glut of young, cheap positional talent is the ability to grab more than one of the high priced targets (assuming payroll will increase as the renovations progress and revenue increases).

 

I'm not advocating signing Price, but if that's what the FO decides they want to do, there's not a lot preventing them from doing so.

[Backtobanks]

Another option could be Greinke:

 

The Dodgers aren’t doing much to entice Zack Greinke to stay, Mark Saxon of ESPN.com writes. Greinke has been vocal about his lack of run support this season as he continues to lose despite strong pitching. Greinke, of course, has the right to opt out of his contract following this season. If he doesn’t opt out, Greinke will be in line to earn $78MM over the remaining three years. Through 13 starts this season, the 31-year-old owns a 1.95 ERA with 7.7 K/9 and 1.7 BB/9.

[Ski]

Another option could be Greinke:

 

The Dodgers aren’t doing much to entice Zack Greinke to stay, Mark Saxon of ESPN.com writes. Greinke has been vocal about his lack of run support this season as he continues to lose despite strong pitching. Greinke, of course, has the right to opt out of his contract following this season. If he doesn’t opt out, Greinke will be in line to earn $78MM over the remaining three years. Through 13 starts this season, the 31-year-old owns a 1.95 ERA with 7.7 K/9 and 1.7 BB/9.

Any chance Greinke would accept 4/100? I would do that in a heartbeat.

[SouthSideRyan]

Another option could be Greinke:

 

The Dodgers aren’t doing much to entice Zack Greinke to stay, Mark Saxon of ESPN.com writes. Greinke has been vocal about his lack of run support this season as he continues to lose despite strong pitching. Greinke, of course, has the right to opt out of his contract following this season. If he doesn’t opt out, Greinke will be in line to earn $78MM over the remaining three years. Through 13 starts this season, the 31-year-old owns a 1.95 ERA with 7.7 K/9 and 1.7 BB/9.

Any chance Greinke would accept 4/100? I would do that in a heartbeat.

 

Greinke is better than Lester and will be a year older than he was when we signed him. There's no way he's that cheap.

[KingCubsFan]

Another option could be Greinke:

 

The Dodgers aren’t doing much to entice Zack Greinke to stay, Mark Saxon of ESPN.com writes. Greinke has been vocal about his lack of run support this season as he continues to lose despite strong pitching. Greinke, of course, has the right to opt out of his contract following this season. If he doesn’t opt out, Greinke will be in line to earn $78MM over the remaining three years. Through 13 starts this season, the 31-year-old owns a 1.95 ERA with 7.7 K/9 and 1.7 BB/9.

Any chance Greinke would accept 4/100? I would do that in a heartbeat.

 

Greinke is better than Lester and will be a year older than he was when we signed him. There's no way he's that cheap.

Plus he's not going to opt out just to get one extra year at $22 million. He's going to want at least 6 years.

[Guest]

didn't they almost overtly say they'd be adding a couple of high priced (might have even referenced 9 figure contracts) pitchers between last offseason and next?

[KingCubsFan]

Any interest in Cashner if the Padres make him available? I also hope the Orioles will make Gausmann available at some point.