Addison Russell is awesome and deserves a thread

[Guest]

So if the Mets offered Syndergaard and a quality prospect in return for Russell, in the offseason, there wouldn't be a temptation to pull the trigger? Baez and Castro could battle over Short, and the loser would battle with Coghlan and La Stella over Second.

 

If Theo's key scouts took a look at Syndergaard's throwing motion, and felt it wouldn't get in the way of being a 200 inning a year pitcher, I'd probably say yes.

 

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Two things I'd like to point out. Memes are pretty much the perfect way to destroy meaningful conversations. I can't tell you how many threads I've seen, on various forums, derailed by lazy posters who upload someone else's unfunny meme.

Number two. Excuse me for not getting all hot and bothered over a shortstop with an OPS under 700. While our farm system and big league club is brimming with elite young hitters, there isn't a single pitching prospect with Syndergaard's upside. So if our scouts like his mechanics, and don't believe they would get in the way of him being a workhorse, I don't think its silly to consider trading a below 700 OPS shortstop for a pitcher with upside almost everyone raves about.

 

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[StylesClash]

So if the Mets offered Syndergaard and a quality prospect in return for Russell, in the offseason, there wouldn't be a temptation to pull the trigger? Baez and Castro could battle over Short, and the loser would battle with Coghlan and La Stella over Second.

 

If Theo's key scouts took a look at Syndergaard's throwing motion, and felt it wouldn't get in the way of being a 200 inning a year pitcher, I'd probably say yes.

 

http://img.pandawhale.com/82965-no-man-SHIT-no-man-gif-Office-XoJ5.gif

 

Two things I'd like to point out. Memes are pretty much the perfect way to destroy meaningful conversations. I can't tell you how many threads I've seen, on various forums, derailed by lazy posters who upload someone else's unfunny meme.

Number two. Excuse me for not getting all hot and bothered over a shortstop with an OPS under 700. While our farm system and big league club is brimming with elite young hitters, there isn't a single pitching prospect with Syndergaard's upside. So if our scouts like his mechanics, and don't believe they would get in the way of him being a workhorse, I don't think its silly to consider trading a below 700 OPS shortstop for a pitcher with upside almost everyone raves about.

 

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I apologize for trying to start a legitimate discussion, without posting memes. With that post you've clearly shown the whole board that you're an intellectual. Instead of posting on a baseball forum you should be out in a research lab trying to cure cancer. Your Michael Scott meme clearly indicates your IQ is 140+.

 

PS: I'm still not super excited over a shortstop with a sub-700 OPS, no matter how young he is.

[Guest]

Yes, now is a great time to start a meaningful discussion about how we should sell high on/trade away our talented young SS for a [expletive] pitcher. In the Addison Russell is awesome thread, no less. How could we not want to engage you on such a topic when there is absolutely nothing else good happening.

 

You got the ridicule you deserved.

 

I wonder what "Theo's key scouts" think of Addison Russell, though.

[StylesClash]

Yes, now is a great time to start a meaningful discussion about how we should sell high on/trade away our talented young SS for a [expletive] pitcher. How could we not want to engage you on such a topic when there is absolutely nothing else good happening.

 

You got the ridicule you deserved.

 

It's a thread about Addison Russell, NOT a game thread. How is that not appropriate discussion? Also I forget the dozens of mega upside arms our farm system has. Not all pitchers will breakdown. If your key scouts like a pitchers delivery, and feel he can thrive (even with possible dips in velocity at times), its not silly to consider trading a sub-700 OPS shortstop for him.

[Guest]

Yes, now is a great time to start a meaningful discussion about how we should sell high on/trade away our talented young SS for a [expletive] pitcher. How could we not want to engage you on such a topic when there is absolutely nothing else good happening.

 

You got the ridicule you deserved.

 

It's a thread about Addison Russell, NOT a game thread. How is that not appropriate discussion? Also I forget the dozens of mega upside arms our farm system has. Not all pitchers will breakdown. If your key scouts like a pitchers delivery, and feel he can thrive (even with possible dips in velocity at times), its not silly to consider trading a sub-700 OPS shortstop for him.

 

Do you honestly not see how incredibly stupid and disingenuous this is and do you think doing things like that encourages good conversation?

[StylesClash]

Yes, now is a great time to start a meaningful discussion about how we should sell high on/trade away our talented young SS for a [expletive] pitcher. In the Addison Russell is awesome thread, no less. How could we not want to engage you on such a topic when there is absolutely nothing else good happening.

 

You got the ridicule you deserved.

 

I wonder what "Theo's key scouts" think of Addison Russell, though.

 

Also posting mocking memes at people looking to get back into nsbb discussions is a real smart way to improve forum activity. Not condescending at all.

[Guest]

Yes, now is a great time to start a meaningful discussion about how we should sell high on/trade away our talented young SS for a [expletive] pitcher. In the Addison Russell is awesome thread, no less. How could we not want to engage you on such a topic when there is absolutely nothing else good happening.

 

You got the ridicule you deserved.

 

I wonder what "Theo's key scouts" think of Addison Russell, though.

 

Also posting mocking memes at people looking to get back into nsbb discussions is a real smart way to improve forum activity. Not condescending at all.

 

Stupid discussions are not to be encouraged.

[StylesClash]

Yes, now is a great time to start a meaningful discussion about how we should sell high on/trade away our talented young SS for a [expletive] pitcher. How could we not want to engage you on such a topic when there is absolutely nothing else good happening.

 

You got the ridicule you deserved.

 

It's a thread about Addison Russell, NOT a game thread. How is that not appropriate discussion? Also I forget the dozens of mega upside arms our farm system has. Not all pitchers will breakdown. If your key scouts like a pitchers delivery, and feel he can thrive (even with possible dips in velocity at times), its not silly to consider trading a sub-700 OPS shortstop for him.

 

Do you honestly not see how incredibly stupid and disingenuous this is and do you think doing things like that encourages good conversation?

 

I understand that an OPS slightly below 700 for a 21 year old shortstop is noteworthy (especially when providing good defense). Sooner or later though age become irrelevant and you just have to flat out hit. So the idea of trading a hitter, who is succeeding based more on his age than gaudy stats, for a pitcher who has been flat out great at times isn't silly (especially if acquiring another good player to boot).

 

Plus the 2003 Cub team showed you really don't need great defense to thrive. Other than Gonzo and Miller that lineup didn't have elite defenders. So I'm not opposed to giving up defensive range for more offensive upside.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

I think if he says "sub-.700 OPS shortstop" one more time, then Neifi Perez will appear in a mirror.

[Guest]

Yes, now is a great time to start a meaningful discussion about how we should sell high on/trade away our talented young SS for a [expletive] pitcher. How could we not want to engage you on such a topic when there is absolutely nothing else good happening.

 

You got the ridicule you deserved.

 

It's a thread about Addison Russell, NOT a game thread. How is that not appropriate discussion? Also I forget the dozens of mega upside arms our farm system has. Not all pitchers will breakdown. If your key scouts like a pitchers delivery, and feel he can thrive (even with possible dips in velocity at times), its not silly to consider trading a sub-700 OPS shortstop for him.

 

Do you honestly not see how incredibly stupid and disingenuous this is and do you think doing things like that encourages good conversation?

 

I understand that an OPS slightly below 700 for a 21 year old shortstop is noteworthy (especially when providing good defense). Sooner or later though age become irrelevant and you just have to flat out hit. So the idea of trading a hitter, who is succeeding based more on his age than gaudy stats, for a pitcher who has been flat out great at times isn't silly (especially if acquiring another good player to boot).

 

Plus the 2003 Cub team showed you really don't need great defense to thrive. Other than Gonzo and Miller that lineup didn't have elite defenders. So I'm not opposed to giving up defensive range for more offensive upside.

 

This isn't 2003.

 

Addison Russell was a 3 win player this year (in less than a full season). As a 21 year old (he was the youngest player in baseball for a while, IIRC). Despite the "sub .700 OPS" you keep bringing up. He flashed power and very good plate discipline. He crushed every level of the minors. He is going to hit. He is going to field at an elite level. He is very damn good.

[jersey cubs fan]

Propose the trade in meme form or gtfo

[Guest]

StylesClash,

 

I think you're underestimating Russell by only looking at his current hitting stats. I also believe you're underestimating the risk associated with any starting pitcher by saying "if they like his arm motion". Pitchers break down even with perfect mechanics.

 

Also, I'd like to point out the team standings in starting pitching: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=sta&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2015&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

Theo has shown an ability to put together a pitching staff without giving up elite prospects/young position players.

[davell]

He's 21, had an extremely small number of minor league AB's past High A Ball, is already hitting for power, and will certainly get better with age. He's got everything anyone should look for in a SS going forward.

 

In no way do you trade that for a SP. Theres not going to be ANY pitcher on earth that Theo's scouts are going to just be "comfortable" with their mechanics. Pitchers get hurt even if they are perfect.

 

Not to mention, between what we have in the minors, Javy, Starlin, and Soler-we'll find a very good pitcher thru trade using some of that group. And we've got money that can be spent in FA to further address that too.

 

Plenty of ways to add pitching without giving up a phenomenal young SS that more than held his own a year earlier than anyone thought he'd have to.

 

And PS- the memes were great

[JennieGarthAlgar]

So if the Mets offered Syndergaard and a quality prospect in return for Russell, in the offseason, there wouldn't be a temptation to pull the trigger? Baez and Castro could battle over Short, and the loser would battle with Coghlan and La Stella over Second.

 

If Theo's key scouts took a look at Syndergaard's throwing motion, and felt it wouldn't get in the way of being a 200 inning a year pitcher, I'd probably say yes.

 

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[Sammy Sofa]

Plus Russell had, like, a .730 OPS over the last couple months of the season. No longer eating that sub!

[imb]

i mean syndergaard is pretty awesome. i would roll with it either way

[Sammy Sofa]

Propose the trade in meme form or gtfo

 

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[sneakypower]

didn't the ZiPS projection have Addi jumping from 2.8 WAR to something like 5.6 in just a couple years? HE STAYS PUT

[biittner77]

I think I'd rather put Russell in CF if I felt like I needed to make room for Baez than trade him for a pitcher. That wouldn't be an ideal plan but it would make more sense. Or perhaps it wouldn't make less sense.

[weis21]

I think I'd rather put Russell in CF if I felt like I needed to make room for Baez than trade him for a pitcher. That wouldn't be an ideal plan but it would make more sense. Or perhaps it wouldn't make less sense.

I think the move for that particular situation would be to swap who you have there. Russel at SS and Baez in CF. Baez said he would be open to a move to the OF and started taking some fly balls in Iowa before he was called up this past time.

[Proven Veteran]

Propose the trade in meme form or gtfo

 

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That's amazing.

[George Hayduke]

Propose the trade in meme form or gtfo

I believe we'll also accept MS Paint form.

[biittner77]

I think I'd rather put Russell in CF if I felt like I needed to make room for Baez than trade him for a pitcher. That wouldn't be an ideal plan but it would make more sense. Or perhaps it wouldn't make less sense.

I think the move for that particular situation would be to swap who you have there. Russel at SS and Baez in CF. Baez said he would be open to a move to the OF and started taking some fly balls in Iowa before he was called up this past time.

 

Not suggesting that moving either to CF is worth exploring. That being said, I think Russell would have a better chance of becoming a good CF than Baez. I base that mostly on body type and perceived athleticism. I believe Russell is a better athlete. I think if Baez was capable of playing CF they would have already tried him their at Iowa.

[JennieGarthAlgar]

I think I'd rather put Russell in CF if I felt like I needed to make room for Baez than trade him for a pitcher. That wouldn't be an ideal plan but it would make more sense. Or perhaps it wouldn't make less sense.

I think the move for that particular situation would be to swap who you have there. Russel at SS and Baez in CF. Baez said he would be open to a move to the OF and started taking some fly balls in Iowa before he was called up this past time.

 

Not suggesting that moving either to CF is worth exploring. That being said, I think Russell would have a better chance of becoming a good CF than Baez. I base that mostly on body type and perceived athleticism. I believe Russell is a better athlete. I think if Baez was capable of playing CF they would have already tried him their at Iowa.

 

Baez is capable of playing shortstop, so I'm 1000% positive he is more than capable of playing center field. Why in the world would we move him to center field just because he could handle it though? I'm sure Torres could handle it, too, but it would make no sense to move him there, either.

[Guest]

I think I'd rather put Russell in CF if I felt like I needed to make room for Baez than trade him for a pitcher. That wouldn't be an ideal plan but it would make more sense. Or perhaps it wouldn't make less sense.

I think the move for that particular situation would be to swap who you have there. Russel at SS and Baez in CF. Baez said he would be open to a move to the OF and started taking some fly balls in Iowa before he was called up this past time.

 

Not suggesting that moving either to CF is worth exploring. That being said, I think Russell would have a better chance of becoming a good CF than Baez. I base that mostly on body type and perceived athleticism. I believe Russell is a better athlete. I think if Baez was capable of playing CF they would have already tried him their at Iowa.

 

Baez is capable of playing shortstop, so I'm 100% positive he is more than capable of playing center field. Why in the world would we move him to center field just because he could handle it? I'm sure Torres could handle it, too, but it would make no sense to move him there, either.

 

Huh?

 

If he could handle it and his bat proves to be what we hope it is, it absolutely would make sense to move him there. We have an opening there and we don't have one at SS. And it's not like CF isn't a premium position in its own right.