2015 NFL Draft

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

the raiders ended up winning 3 games holy [expletive]

[OleMissCub]

Dak Prescott is more of a Tebow, IMO.

 

Pretty fair comparison. He's definitely a poor man's Tebow. Prescott has more arm strength but he played like ass in State's two biggest games this year. I've yet to see him pass well against a good secondary. He is a terrific athlete though. Would probably make a good tight end.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

a poor man's Tebow. That's low.

[Lenny]

DGB or Cooper?

[Lenny]

Dak Prescott is more of a Tebow, IMO.

 

Pretty fair comparison. He's definitely a poor man's Tebow. Prescott has more arm strength but he played like ass in State's two biggest games this year. I've yet to see him pass well against a good secondary. He is a terrific athlete though. Would probably make a good tight end.

 

Well the last (very) poor man's Tebow went #22, so anything is possible.

[jersey cubs fan]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 4m4 minutes ago

ESPN report: Jameis Winston's father says he will enter NFL draft. Possible No. 1 overall pick.

[rawaction]

It's become pretty commonplace to hate on Jameis Winston. But he's a pretty good college QB. Regardless of the close games, he's only lost 1 time. Regardless of the INTs, he effectively runs a pro style offense. Is a huge pocket passer with great pocket prescence and decent mobility. He does have the long throwing motion, but I think that can be corrected (and like was mentioned is Leftwich esque). But he still is one of the best college QBs I've ever seen at anticipating where his WRs are going to go. He throws WRs open and places it well enough that they can run after the catch. Far from a finished product, but obviously a lot to work with there.

 

As for the off-field stuff, I think those are legit concerns, but I'm not overly worried. I do think he needs to sit a year or 2 though. Reminds me of Steve McNair, and sitting did him a ton of good.

[jersey cubs fan]

As for the off-field stuff, I think those are legit concerns, but I'm not overly worried. I do think he needs to sit a year or 2 though. Reminds me of Steve McNair, and sitting did him a ton of good.

 

McNair sat for a couple years but he also had a 7-year contract. Back in the 90s you could have your first round QB sit and "learn". Nowadays I do not think teams are willing to let early 1st round QBs sit for 2 years, "wasting" 2 of their 4 rookie contract years.

 

Johnny Manziel had no business playing at all this year, yet even as a 22nd pick they were pressured into using him. Winston isn't going to be able to sit for 2 years.

[imb]

Winston has a slow/long delivery

 

Yep. It reminds me a bit of Byron Leftwich.

Nice comp. He still scares me with the Bucs though, but no way he goes #1 to them. Marriota won't be good for a few years if at all and the Saints will be in full rebuild mode by then.

 

i was saying that last year, he looks like tebow

Dak Prescott is more of a Tebow, IMO.

 

I just mean the throwing motion, it's so loopy. It looks like that classic lefthanded windup.

[RynoRules]

Watch Winston fall into the later half of the 1st Round and wind up in Houston at 16. If they pass on him...see you on Day 2.

[Guest]

As for the off-field stuff, I think those are legit concerns, but I'm not overly worried. I do think he needs to sit a year or 2 though. Reminds me of Steve McNair, and sitting did him a ton of good.

 

McNair sat for a couple years but he also had a 7-year contract. Back in the 90s you could have your first round QB sit and "learn". Nowadays I do not think teams are willing to let early 1st round QBs sit for 2 years, "wasting" 2 of their 4 rookie contract years.

 

Johnny Manziel had no business playing at all this year, yet even as a 22nd pick they were pressured into using him. Winston isn't going to be able to sit for 2 years.

Just because teams don't do it, doesn't mean they shouldn't. Last good example was Rodgers and it was actually controversial once they did move forward with him...

[Guest]

Watch Winston fall into the later half of the 1st Round and wind up in Houston at 16. If they pass on him...see you on Day 2.

Teams would be crazy to pass on him in the latter half of Rd 1

[jersey cubs fan]

As for the off-field stuff, I think those are legit concerns, but I'm not overly worried. I do think he needs to sit a year or 2 though. Reminds me of Steve McNair, and sitting did him a ton of good.

 

McNair sat for a couple years but he also had a 7-year contract. Back in the 90s you could have your first round QB sit and "learn". Nowadays I do not think teams are willing to let early 1st round QBs sit for 2 years, "wasting" 2 of their 4 rookie contract years.

 

Johnny Manziel had no business playing at all this year, yet even as a 22nd pick they were pressured into using him. Winston isn't going to be able to sit for 2 years.

Just because teams don't do it, doesn't mean they shouldn't. Last good example was Rodgers and it was actually controversial once they did move forward with him...

 

He also went 24th and had a HOF QB ahead of him. If Winston gets drafted at the end of the first and has a HOF QB ahead of him, they can probably get away with sitting him. Although that probably also means a team will have a cap hit in the mid-to-upper 20s from the QB position.

 

I think raw is talking Winston going top half of the first and probably to a team with no good QB.

[Guest]

Even if he has a non HOF QB in front of him... Like if he was behind a Cutler/Dalton I'd absolutely sit him those one or two years. As long as the alternative isn't a McCown or Orton, sitting him could be beneficial.

[Rex Buckingham]

Watch Winston fall into the later half of the 1st Round and wind up in Houston at 16. If they pass on him...see you on Day 2.

Teams would be crazy to pass on him in the latter half of Rd 1

 

Agree with WF22 here... I would almost have to consider taking him at 7 if he fell to the Bears, though if he did I would hope more for a trade up from a team like Houston who really needs a QB. He may come with a lot of baggage, but in that baggage you'll also find an incredible amount of talent. Sometimes those guys work out work out (Randy Moss) sometimes they don't (Lawrence Phillips, and plenty of others)

[jersey cubs fan]

Even if he has a non HOF QB in front of him... Like if he was behind a Cutler/Dalton I'd absolutely sit him those one or two years. As long as the alternative isn't a McCown or Orton, sitting him could be beneficial.

 

If Winston went to the Bears and Cutler stayed here, the "backup QB is the most popular person in town" storyline would be amazing to follow. Probably also depressing as hell.

[Guest]

Even if he has a non HOF QB in front of him... Like if he was behind a Cutler/Dalton I'd absolutely sit him those one or two years. As long as the alternative isn't a McCown or Orton, sitting him could be beneficial.

 

If Winston went to the Bears and Cutler stayed here, the "backup QB is the most popular person in town" storyline would be amazing to follow. Probably also depressing as hell.

Oh it absolutely would. The fan pressure for any team without a Brady or something would be immense in most cities, let alone Chicago and the Cutler dynamic.

[RynoRules]

If he falls and the Texans want to trade up to 7, I'd do it in a heartbeat. You could get an RGIII-like haul for that pick.

[rawaction]

I did say ONE or 2. And first round picks get an option which basically makes it a 5-year deal. Sitting for 1 of 5 years isn't that big of a deal.

 

That being said, I know there's no way he sits for a year.

 

Oh and I think Lovie picks him.

[Guest]

If he falls and the Texans want to trade up to 7, I'd do it in a heartbeat. You could get an RGIII-like haul for that pick.

If he's falling that probably indicates you aren't getting a RGIII haul. Trying to be realistic - their first and second. A lower pick in 16. That's what I think the offer would be.

[NOLA]

DGB or Cooper?

Whoah, as in who is the better WR? If that's the question then there really isn't a comparison between an almost uncoverable receiver and a guy who has barely played in 2 years and wasn't close to the best player on the field when he did.

 

To the Winston question, I have to wonder if the Manziel fiasco will spook teams from making a questionable character QB a high draft pick, rightly or wrongly. I can see him falling to Houston or KC late in the 1st round.

[Cubswin11]

If he falls and the Texans want to trade up to 7, I'd do it in a heartbeat. You could get an RGIII-like haul for that pick.

I'm guessing teams are going to be a little turned off from offering RGIII type hauls after how that's turned out. The Steelers could be an interesting team for him, if he does fall. Big Ben is getting old and his contract is up soon.

[Flames24Rulz]

If he falls and the Texans want to trade up to 7, I'd do it in a heartbeat. You could get an RGIII-like haul for that pick.

I'm guessing teams are going to be a little turned off from offering RGIII type hauls after how that's turned out. The Steelers could be an interesting team for him, if he does fall. Big Ben is getting old and his contract is up soon.

 

That would be perfect. From one alleged rapist to another.

[Guest]

The INTs matter quite a bit for me with Winston. He threw a pick every 30 passes in college, every 26 passes this year when they weren't blowing everyone out. That's bad for any college QB, never mind one that's supposed to be winning games in the NFL and is playing on a team with a marked talent advantage in the vast majority of his games.

[ConstableRabbit]

If he falls and the Texans want to trade up to 7, I'd do it in a heartbeat. You could get an RGIII-like haul for that pick.

I'm guessing teams are going to be a little turned off from offering RGIII type hauls after how that's turned out. The Steelers could be an interesting team for him, if he does fall. Big Ben is getting old and his contract is up soon.

Technically, Winston is already a steeler.