Cubs sign Jason Hammel, 2/20 w/ 3rd year option

[treebird]

i feel a lot better if that is the deal

[SouthSideRyan]

Hammel must really love Bosio

[Guest]

How bad was he with Oakland? His ERA was only 4.26 but his FIP was 5.10. Home and Road splits were interesting. 2.43 ERA in Oakland and 5.76 ERA on the road....his 7 road starts were Texas (twice), Houston (twice), Atlanta, SF, Seattle, so mostly hitters parks.

 

Anyways, what production should we be expecting for $9 mil a year? Something inbetween what he did with the Cubs and what he did with Oakland?

 

Something in between but closer to what he did with the Cubs since what he did in Oakland was batting practice.

 

Someone posted that he changed his pitch mix in Oakland for whatever reason.

[Guest]

How bad was he with Oakland? His ERA was only 4.26 but his FIP was 5.10. Home and Road splits were interesting. 2.43 ERA in Oakland and 5.76 ERA on the road....his 7 road starts were Texas (twice), Houston (twice), Atlanta, SF, Seattle, so mostly hitters parks.

 

Anyways, what production should we be expecting for $9 mil a year? Something inbetween what he did with the Cubs and what he did with Oakland?

 

His pitch mix changed a good bit in Oakland. The worst case is that happened to help prevent injury, so going back to what made him effective before will lead to a DL stint or even arm surgery. The best case is that coming back to the NL, Bosio, and more usage of hard stuff that breaks(2 seamer/slider/cutter) brings him back to his Cubs levels without missing a beat. More likely, I think you can hope for him to pitch at a 2-3 win pace, maybe on the lower end if he isn't able to go 180+ IP, but with the possibility that 2014 Cubs Hammel shows up to offer some ceiling.

[KingCubsFan]

Hammel must really love Bosio

I think he does. I recall reading an article after he was traded where somebody commented how highly Hammel spoke of Bosio.

[RynoRules]

If its really 2 for 18 or 19 that's a great deal.

[KingCubsFan]

How bad was he with Oakland? His ERA was only 4.26 but his FIP was 5.10. Home and Road splits were interesting. 2.43 ERA in Oakland and 5.76 ERA on the road....his 7 road starts were Texas (twice), Houston (twice), Atlanta, SF, Seattle, so mostly hitters parks.

 

Anyways, what production should we be expecting for $9 mil a year? Something inbetween what he did with the Cubs and what he did with Oakland?

 

His pitch mix changed a good bit in Oakland. The worst case is that happened to help prevent injury, so going back to what made him effective before will lead to a DL stint or even arm surgery. The best case is that coming back to the NL, Bosio, and more usage of hard stuff that breaks(2 seamer/slider/cutter) brings him back to his Cubs levels without missing a beat. More likely, I think you can hope for him to pitch at a 2-3 win pace, maybe on the lower end if he isn't able to go 180+ IP, but with the possibility that 2014 Cubs Hammel shows up to offer some ceiling.

He bombed in his first four starts in Oakland and then was fairly solid after that.

[Cubswin11]

Morosi also saying 2/18 with a 3rd year club option, buyout of $2 million. So it's essentially 2/20 guaranteed. Great deal.

[RynoRules]

Morosi also saying 2/18 with a 3rd year club option, buyout of $2 million. So it's essentially 2/20 guaranteed. Great deal.

 

Beat me to it:

 

With a $2MM buyout on the club option, Hammel officially takes down a two-year, $20MM guarantee, reports Jon Morosi of FOX Sports (Twitter links).

 

I like this a lot. Very tradeable contract if it comes to that.

Edited December 8, 2014 by RynoRules

[imb]

Yeah, extremely hard to say no to any of these offers from the cubs perspective

[WrigleyField 22]

And it really shouldn't effect our pursuit of Lester or another Ace.

 

 

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[Rob]

Value signing at that price.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Damnit, too late, but don't care:

 

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[Andy]

If he's anywhere close to what he was last spring and early summer, this is fantastic.

[Guest]

For some downer info, Eno Sarris pointed out that Hammel's 30% slider usage is an injury marker for future seasons, previously it had held about 20-22%. Tyson Ross also bears that marker in the extreme at over 40% usage.

[MWV]

Giants and Red Sox are getting to make final pitches for the closing sell, and Cubs are moving on to contingency plans while Theo is publicly tampering free agent expectations.

 

I don't think it is reasonable to assume that the Cubs are prioritizing Hammel over Lester. Front offices (especially those that effectively have two GMs) can do more than one thing at a time.

 

 

Who said this has anything about prioritizing or allocating man hours to pursue Lester?

Guess I misunderstood your post?

 

Anyway, looks like a great deal for the Cubs.

[gscool89]

Really love this deal.

[Cubswin11]

For some downer info, Eno Sarris pointed out that Hammel's 30% slider usage is an injury marker for future seasons, previously it had held about 20-22%. Tyson Ross also bears that marker in the extreme at over 40% usage.

Not that there is likely a huge difference in wear on the arm, but I wonder how much of that 8-10% increase in slider usage may have actually been mis-catergorized and he was actually throwing a cutter. Knowing Bosio's propensity to teach it and the pitches being relatively similar.

[ScrubMD]

Hopefully that's less than they were planning to spend on their 2nd tier starter and gives them more wiggle room with Lester.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The problem is that a couple of second-tier pitchers *don't* provide as much additional value as one TOR guy.

 

Using the current Fangraphs projected WAR, Lester (3.6) is worth more than Anderson (0.9) and McCarthy (2.2) combined, and he's only replacing one guy and not two. That's a clear 1-2 win difference in a year where 1-2 wins might be crucial.

[Guest]

The problem is that a couple of second-tier pitchers *don't* provide as much additional value as one TOR guy.

 

Using the current Fangraphs projected WAR, Lester (3.6) is worth more than Anderson (0.9) and McCarthy (2.2) combined, and he's only replacing one guy and not two. That's a clear 1-2 win difference in a year where 1-2 wins might be crucial.

Meh, pick out different ones if you like. I simply don't agree with the projections.

[SouthSideRyan]

Jon Lester threw more innings last year than Brett Anderson has over the past 4 seasons combined, accumulating more fWAR than Anderson did over his last 5 seasons. Edited December 8, 2014 by SouthSideRyan

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Meh, pick out different ones if you like. I simply don't agree with the projections.

 

Why would I pick different ones when these agree with me?

[Guest]

@jonmorosi Clarification on Hammel deal: He will only be able to void 2017 club option if he reaches very high performance thresholds in 2016.

[Banedon]

@jonmorosi Clarification on Hammel deal: He will only be able to void 2017 club option if he reaches very high performance thresholds in 2016.

 

But, wouldn't that be exactly the scenario that the Cubs would want to exercise that option?