College Football - Bowl Games

[Andy]

Brian Kelly is willing to sacrifice conference championships to facilitate an eight team playoff. He's a giver, that one.

The same people that call ND greedy for being independent love to get all snarky about their beloved conference championship games, the most shameless money grab in all of college sports.

[bukie]

Brian Kelly is willing to sacrifice conference championships to facilitate an eight team playoff. He's a giver, that one.

The same people that call ND greedy for being independent love to get all snarky about their beloved conference championship games, the most shameless money grab in all of college sports.

Take off the ND blinders for a second and understand how absurd it is for Kelly to offer up conference championship games in order to get the 8 team playoff.

[Andy]

Brian Kelly is willing to sacrifice conference championships to facilitate an eight team playoff. He's a giver, that one.

The same people that call ND greedy for being independent love to get all snarky about their beloved conference championship games, the most shameless money grab in all of college sports.

Take off the ND blinders for a second and understand how absurd it is for Kelly to offer up conference championship games in order to get the 8 team playoff.

I've never heard of this, but it's not like he's negotiating. He's probably making a suggestion. And frankly, they SHOULD get rid of conference title games if they expand the playoff to eight teams. If adding NFL games to the season is sacrilegious, then why isn't adding more games to the seasons of underpaid college kids?

[UMFan83]

It's not like anyone forced the MAC/Sun Belt teams to play FBS football (and I'm an alum of one of them). They do it for whatever other reasons they have. Why is the onus on the rest of CFB to make it easier for them to win a championship?

 

It's not "making it easier to win a championship", it's "giving them a non-zero chance of winning a championship". Those conferences chose to play FBS football, but I'm sure the NCAA is getting something out of it to otherwise it wouldn't support those schools playing in their subdivision. I don't see how Power 5 conferences and schools would complain about adding 3 new playoff spots (and a 4th in years that a G5 school isnt in the Top 25 or whatever), guaranteeing all P5 conferences are represented, and giving 2 non champions a shot.

 

4 is better than 2. Thought that before they went to 4, and it's exceeded my expectations. But beyond 4, the chance you've missed the best team is essentially zero (TCU this year is probably as close as you can get to a team with a claim to it).

 

The whole "making sure the best team is champion" debate is something only college football cares about. In every other major American pro and college sport, teams that are clearly not the best in the regular season have a shot to compete for a championship and in all of those sports, one of those teams has won before. It's not the end of the world to have the not best team win the title.

 

I love the fact that winning the conference doesn't guarantee anything. Why should it?

 

Winning the conference means nothing what are you talking about? Only conference champions got in, the conference with a murky conference championship structure get shut out. If anything, winning the confernece means you have an 80% chance of making the playoff.

 

I love the fact that fans of TCU/Baylor/Ohio St were watching and rooting hard for upsets last week to boost their chances. There's essentially 0 reason for any of them to care about other games last week if we're at 8, because they're all win-and-in games.

 

Now to be replaced by Mississippi State, Michigan State, etc rooting for non-upsets that would take away a wild card berth. There's always going to be late season drama, and its not like its CBB where the drama is between the 38th and 39th best teams in the country. Also, with the abolition of conference championship games with an 8 team playoff, there will still be a 10-2 Big 12 school rooting for the 10-2 Big 12 school that won H2H to lose to win the conference title and secure a playoff spot.

 

The one thing the BCS did right (uninentionally I imagine, but still) was it made CFB a national sport because fans of the top teams in one league now had a real reason to care about games in the other leagues. I don't want to toss that out so we can get Boise State into the playoff.

 

Not sure what you are saying here, if anything adding teams brings it more of a national sport. Right now there are like 10 programs that will consistently compete for a title. Teams like Mississippi State don't have a solid shot...even in their dream season they sputtered out and finished short of the playoffs. So guess where the top recruits typically tend to go more often than not? Those 10 schools. You put a school like Mississippi State in the playoffs and maybe you see more recruits go there. Or maybe Iowa has a great season and makes the playoffs. For the first time since the 60s, Iowa has a legit shot at a title. (not to say they haven't had great seasons before but never to the point where they were competing for a shot at the title on the last week of the season - correct me if I'm wrong).

[Andy]

I said winning the conference guarantees nothing, not that it means nothing. The rest is pretty much an 'agree to disagree' type situation. I like having one sport where one week/game/whatever can change the whole season, which the rest of the sports simply don't have (same with getting the best team, and I still haven't figured out why 'everyone else is doing it' is being used as a reason to expand).

 

Like I've said before, I'm in the minority and they're going to go to 8 and I'm just going to have to deal with it.

[UMFan83]

I said winning the conference guarantees nothing, not that it means nothing. The rest is pretty much an 'agree to disagree' type situation. I like having one sport where one week/game/whatever can change the whole season, which the rest of the sports simply don't have (same with getting the best team, and I still haven't figured out why 'everyone else is doing it' is being used as a reason to expand).

 

Like I've said before, I'm in the minority and they're going to go to 8 and I'm just going to have to deal with it.

 

Totally an agree to disagree type thing. I don't mind your arguments, I just feel different. Also CFB would still be a sport where one game can change the season, its just different teams that one game can change everything for.

[Andy]

I said winning the conference guarantees nothing, not that it means nothing. The rest is pretty much an 'agree to disagree' type situation. I like having one sport where one week/game/whatever can change the whole season, which the rest of the sports simply don't have (same with getting the best team, and I still haven't figured out why 'everyone else is doing it' is being used as a reason to expand).

 

Like I've said before, I'm in the minority and they're going to go to 8 and I'm just going to have to deal with it.

 

Totally an agree to disagree type thing. I don't mind your arguments, I just feel different. Also CFB would still be a sport where one game can change the season, its just different teams that one game can change everything for.

Well, not really. With 8 everyone has a mulligan. With 4 you probably have a mulligan, but you'd better play a really good team out of conference (Oregon), dramatically improve following the loss (Oregon and Ohio St) or play in a great conference where you can rack up quality wins (Alabama).

[UMFan83]

I said winning the conference guarantees nothing, not that it means nothing. The rest is pretty much an 'agree to disagree' type situation. I like having one sport where one week/game/whatever can change the whole season, which the rest of the sports simply don't have (same with getting the best team, and I still haven't figured out why 'everyone else is doing it' is being used as a reason to expand).

 

Like I've said before, I'm in the minority and they're going to go to 8 and I'm just going to have to deal with it.

 

Totally an agree to disagree type thing. I don't mind your arguments, I just feel different. Also CFB would still be a sport where one game can change the season, its just different teams that one game can change everything for.

Well, not really. With 8 everyone has a mulligan. With 4 you probably have a mulligan, but you'd better play a really good team out of conference (Oregon), dramatically improve following the loss (Oregon and Ohio St) or play in a great conference where you can rack up quality wins (Alabama).

 

Like you said right now you have a mulligan if you lose so its not "one week can change anything". Ohio State looks like one of the best teams in the country and almost didn't make it because their freshman QB was starting his first game against P5 competition and lost. If they beat Wisconsin 38-0 instead of 59-0 they might not have a shot this year.

 

Anyways, we could go on and on forever, agree to disagree :D

[stuy119]

I dislike the idea of 8 teams, but every team is going to have an off week and lose - it's just the slim odds of going undefeated.

 

If, and it's a big if, the playoffs go down to 8 teams, they need to drop a game during the season. It's ridiculous to have these kids play up to 15 games per year.

[UMFan83]

I dislike the idea of 8 teams, but every team is going to have an off week and lose - it's just the slim odds of going undefeated.

 

If, and it's a big if, the playoffs go down to 8 teams, they need to drop a game during the season. It's ridiculous to have these kids play up to 15 games per year.

 

If they do they will likely eliminate conference championship games

[mul21]

I dislike the idea of 8 teams, but every team is going to have an off week and lose - it's just the slim odds of going undefeated.

 

If, and it's a big if, the playoffs go down to 8 teams, they need to drop a game during the season. It's ridiculous to have these kids play up to 15 games per year.

 

If they do they will likely eliminate conference championship games

 

That's a terrible idea all around. Eliminate a non-conference game and keep the championship games. The 5 conference champs and 3 at large get in.

[WrigleyField 22]

Don't eliminate games but pay the players for these extra games.

 

 

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Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt 11m11 minutes ago

Was told tonight #Michigan officials offered David Cutcliffe their job but the #Duke coach turned it down. Times sure have changed.

[OleMissCub]

Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt 11m11 minutes ago

Was told tonight #Michigan officials offered David Cutcliffe their job but the #Duke coach turned it down. Times sure have changed.

 

Cutcliffe literally had a heart attack from coaching Ole Miss. At his age it's no surprise he would turn down Michigan. He's perfect for Duke. Low expectations = low pressure.

[Andy]

Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt 11m11 minutes ago

Was told tonight #Michigan officials offered David Cutcliffe their job but the #Duke coach turned it down. Times sure have changed.

 

Cutcliffe literally had a heart attack from coaching Ole Miss. At his age it's no surprise he would turn down Michigan. He's perfect for Duke. Low expectations = low pressure.

Weis was going to hire Cutcliffe as his OC at ND before that happened. Although little would probably have changed, it would've been interesting to see an alternate universe where that worked out.

[UMFan83]

Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt 11m11 minutes ago

Was told tonight #Michigan officials offered David Cutcliffe their job but the #Duke coach turned it down. Times sure have changed.

 

This has just been a great week for Michigan. I don't care that he turned us down just greatly disappointed at the caliber coach we apparently offered the job to.

[sneakypower]

@SamWebb77: . @Marcus_Ray29 is on "advisory board" for #Michigan search. Was on lengthy call about it Tuesday. Doesn't believe Cutcliffe offer happened

 

@mortreport: Spoke 2 Duke’s Cutcliffe. He hasn’t talked 2 Michigan nor has Duke AD Kevin White. No job offered to turn down.

 

Chris Mortensen ‏@mortreport

To be clear, there has been zero contact between Michigan and Duke’s David Cutcliffe. No third party contact, even through search firm

[gscool89]

RT @FootballScoop: The Portland Tribune is reporting that Wisconsin head coach Gary Andersen will be new head coach at Oregon State

 

Holy [expletive]

[Thed Hoyerstein]

I assume this is the former kicker, Gary Anderson, and not the current Wisconsin head coach, Gary Andersen.

[gscool89]

I assume this is the former kicker, Gary Anderson, and not the current Wisconsin head coach, Gary Andersen.

Nope http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12011785/wisconsin-badgers-coach-gary-andersen-leaving-take-oregon-state-job

[UMFan83]

I almost feel bad for Wisconsin. You'd think they've built a pretty respectable football program overall, but in the past few years their head coaches have bolted to Arkansas and Oregon State. What does that say about Wisconsin/the Big 10?

[Cubswin11]

I almost feel bad for Wisconsin. You'd think they've built a pretty respectable football program overall, but in the past few years their head coaches have bolted to Arkansas and Oregon State. What does that say about Wisconsin/the Big 10?

I think it says more about Barry Alvarez than anything

[UMFan83]

I almost feel bad for Wisconsin. You'd think they've built a pretty respectable football program overall, but in the past few years their head coaches have bolted to Arkansas and Oregon State. What does that say about Wisconsin/the Big 10?

I think it says more about Barry Alvarez than anything

 

Good point

[stuy119]

Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt 11m11 minutes ago

Was told tonight #Michigan officials offered David Cutcliffe their job but the #Duke coach turned it down. Times sure have changed.

 

This has just been a great week for Michigan. I don't care that he turned us down just greatly disappointed at the caliber coach we apparently offered the job to.

 

To be fair, there aren't many up-and-coming coaches out there at this point. It's a shallow pool, and the top-tier guys are pretty tied to existing positions that are quality programs, or are already in a better spot than Michigan to win now and land a better spot as other positions open.

 

I like Michigan, so I hope they don't try to go after Lane Kiffin. That's just another disaster waiting to happen.

[Ryne Ween]

I thought the same thing about Barry Alvarez when I saw Andersen was leaving. But I've also heard only that he was a good guy. Very very odd.