Week 7: Dolphins (2-3) @ Bears (3-3) Noon, CBS/780

[jersey cubs fan]

It so ridiculous to judge qb's on stats that don't favor my argument guys. You have to count the stats that make my argument look better, no matter how old and irrelevant.

 

 

Saw this one today. According to Gil Brandt. Pickable passes (ball thrown that should have been INT):

Best: Cam Newton (0 in 179 att), Matt Ryan (1-234).

Worst: Jay Cutler (9-229)

 

#footballstats

 

 

I find it strange that some people on here are pretending that the guy isnt the QB that tends to throw a back breaking INT in the worst situations. Statistically an average to above average QB, okay. But he's been an INT prone in bad situations over the last 9 years. To think it's a matter of 'cleaning it up' and that he's going to suddenly 'clean it up' is laughable and mind-numbingly stupid. Dan Bernstein had it right when seriously doubting that he'll ever be able to put together a win streak long enough to take a team to the Superbowl.

 

McNabb is incorrect about comparing Cutler to Romo due to the fact that Romo has better career numbers then Jay.

 

This bad situations talk is just dumb.

[cubbyvirus00]

It so ridiculous to judge qb's on stats that don't favor my argument guys. You have to count the stats that make my argument look better, no matter how old and irrelevant.

 

 

Saw this one today. According to Gil Brandt. Pickable passes (ball thrown that should have been INT):

Best: Cam Newton (0 in 179 att), Matt Ryan (1-234).

Worst: Jay Cutler (9-229)

 

#footballstats

 

 

I find it strange that some people on here are pretending that the guy isnt the QB that tends to throw a back breaking INT in the worst situations. Statistically an average to above average QB, okay. But he's been an INT prone in bad situations over the last 9 years. To think it's a matter of 'cleaning it up' and that he's going to suddenly 'clean it up' is laughable and mind-numbingly stupid. Dan Bernstein had it right when seriously doubting that he'll ever be able to put together a win streak long enough to take a team to the Superbowl.

 

McNabb is incorrect about comparing Cutler to Romo due to the fact that Romo has better career numbers then Jay.

 

This bad situations talk is just dumb.

 

Sure it's nothing that you can quantify with a stat, but it's definitely the majority opinion about him that isn't necessarily untrue. Kyle is right and maybe my wording of it is off but Cutler throws INTs with the best of them for whatever reason. I too believe he'll never be able to put together a sustained level of play good enough to take a team to the Superbowl. I hope I'm wrong.

[jersey cubs fan]

It so ridiculous to judge qb's on stats that don't favor my argument guys. You have to count the stats that make my argument look better, no matter how old and irrelevant.

 

 

Saw this one today. According to Gil Brandt. Pickable passes (ball thrown that should have been INT):

Best: Cam Newton (0 in 179 att), Matt Ryan (1-234).

Worst: Jay Cutler (9-229)

 

#footballstats

 

 

I find it strange that some people on here are pretending that the guy isnt the QB that tends to throw a back breaking INT in the worst situations. Statistically an average to above average QB, okay. But he's been an INT prone in bad situations over the last 9 years. To think it's a matter of 'cleaning it up' and that he's going to suddenly 'clean it up' is laughable and mind-numbingly stupid. Dan Bernstein had it right when seriously doubting that he'll ever be able to put together a win streak long enough to take a team to the Superbowl.

 

McNabb is incorrect about comparing Cutler to Romo due to the fact that Romo has better career numbers then Jay.

 

This bad situations talk is just dumb.

 

Sure it's nothing that you can quantify with a stat, but it's definitely the majority opinion about him that isn't necessarily untrue. Kyle is right and maybe my wording of it is off but Cutler throws INTs with the best of them for whatever reason. I too believe he'll never be able to put together a sustained level of play good enough to take a team to the Superbowl. I hope I'm wrong.

 

But you've supported him all along and this season is somehow the tipping point.

 

Sure.

 

Okay.

[Thed Hoyerstein]

It so ridiculous to judge qb's on stats that don't favor my argument guys. You have to count the stats that make my argument look better, no matter how old and irrelevant.

 

 

Saw this one today. According to Gil Brandt. Pickable passes (ball thrown that should have been INT):

Best: Cam Newton (0 in 179 att), Matt Ryan (1-234).

Worst: Jay Cutler (9-229)

 

#footballstats

 

 

I find it strange that some people on here are pretending that the guy isnt the QB that tends to throw a back breaking INT in the worst situations. Statistically an average to above average QB, okay. But he's been an INT prone in bad situations over the last 9 years. To think it's a matter of 'cleaning it up' and that he's going to suddenly 'clean it up' is laughable and mind-numbingly stupid. Dan Bernstein had it right when seriously doubting that he'll ever be able to put together a win streak long enough to take a team to the Superbowl.

 

McNabb is incorrect about comparing Cutler to Romo due to the fact that Romo has better career numbers then Jay.

 

This bad situations talk is just dumb.

 

Sure it's nothing that you can quantify with a stat, but it's definitely the majority opinion about him that isn't necessarily untrue. Kyle is right and maybe my wording of it is off but Cutler throws INTs with the best of them for whatever reason. I too believe he'll never be able to put together a sustained level of play good enough to take a team to the Superbowl. I hope I'm wrong.

 

 

do u think joe flacco is Elite?

[Banedon]

Saw this one today. According to Gil Brandt. Pickable passes (ball thrown that should have been INT):

Best: Cam Newton (0 in 179 att), Matt Ryan (1-234).

Worst: Jay Cutler (9-229)

 

Clearly that's a very important stat. I mean, look how well the Panthers and Falcons are doing.

[cubbyvirus00]

It so ridiculous to judge qb's on stats that don't favor my argument guys. You have to count the stats that make my argument look better, no matter how old and irrelevant.

 

 

Saw this one today. According to Gil Brandt. Pickable passes (ball thrown that should have been INT):

Best: Cam Newton (0 in 179 att), Matt Ryan (1-234).

Worst: Jay Cutler (9-229)

 

#footballstats

 

 

I find it strange that some people on here are pretending that the guy isnt the QB that tends to throw a back breaking INT in the worst situations. Statistically an average to above average QB, okay. But he's been an INT prone in bad situations over the last 9 years. To think it's a matter of 'cleaning it up' and that he's going to suddenly 'clean it up' is laughable and mind-numbingly stupid. Dan Bernstein had it right when seriously doubting that he'll ever be able to put together a win streak long enough to take a team to the Superbowl.

 

McNabb is incorrect about comparing Cutler to Romo due to the fact that Romo has better career numbers then Jay.

 

This bad situations talk is just dumb.

 

Sure it's nothing that you can quantify with a stat, but it's definitely the majority opinion about him that isn't necessarily untrue. Kyle is right and maybe my wording of it is off but Cutler throws INTs with the best of them for whatever reason. I too believe he'll never be able to put together a sustained level of play good enough to take a team to the Superbowl. I hope I'm wrong.

 

But you've supported him all along and this season is somehow the tipping point.

 

Sure.

 

Okay.

 

 

In the past it was the coaching, the offensive line, and the WRs was it not?

 

Hes in year 2 of having most of the pieces in place for him to succeed, so you would hope to see some major improvement instead of some marginal improvement especially against divisional opponents. The excuses are gone.

[jersey cubs fan]

In the past it was the coaching, the offensive line, and the WRs was it not?

 

Hes in year 2 of having most of the pieces in place for him to succeed, so you would hope to see some major improvement instead of some marginal improvement especially against divisional opponents. The excuses are gone.

Yet he's got very good numbers despite his line and WR all being injured this year, but, tipping point.

[WrigleyField 22]

It so ridiculous to judge qb's on stats that don't favor my argument guys. You have to count the stats that make my argument look better, no matter how old and irrelevant.

 

 

Saw this one today. According to Gil Brandt. Pickable passes (ball thrown that should have been INT):

Best: Cam Newton (0 in 179 att), Matt Ryan (1-234).

Worst: Jay Cutler (9-229)

 

#footballstats

 

 

I find it strange that some people on here are pretending that the guy isnt the QB that tends to throw a back breaking INT in the worst situations. Statistically an average to above average QB, okay. But he's been an INT prone in bad situations over the last 9 years. To think it's a matter of 'cleaning it up' and that he's going to suddenly 'clean it up' is laughable and mind-numbingly stupid. Dan Bernstein had it right when seriously doubting that he'll ever be able to put together a win streak long enough to take a team to the Superbowl.

 

McNabb is incorrect about comparing Cutler to Romo due to the fact that Romo has better career numbers then Jay.

 

This bad situations talk is just dumb.

 

Sure it's nothing that you can quantify with a stat, but it's definitely the majority opinion about him that isn't necessarily untrue. Kyle is right and maybe my wording of it is off but Cutler throws INTs with the best of them for whatever reason. I too believe he'll never be able to put together a sustained level of play good enough to take a team to the Superbowl. I hope I'm wrong.

You can't quantify it with a stat because an interception is almost never better or worse based on situation. About the only factor is field position and pass type which is a coaching issue unless the QB audibles to it.

 

Besides if we're gonna be all meatbally about it then the "worse" time is clutch/4th Q come from behind stuff that Jay is pretty decent at.

 

As a final note I will use my meatball credit on Jays protection of the football in the pocket (ie fumbles) rather than his INT. I'm pretty okay with what happens after the ball leaves Jays hands, taking the good with the bad, obviously.

 

 

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[WrigleyField 22]

Also did I hear correctly the other week while watching the game that the Bears had among the highest red zone TD completion in the league this year?

 

Untimely.

 

 

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[ConstableRabbit]

Saw this one today. According to Gil Brandt. Pickable passes (ball thrown that should have been INT):

Best: Cam Newton (0 in 179 att), Matt Ryan (1-234).

Worst: Jay Cutler (9-229)

 

Clearly that's a very important stat. I mean, look how well the Panthers and Falcons are doing.

Yeah, I mean, he def throws picks. So? He also makes incredible passes.

[Warpticon]

I watched the Dolphins game yesterday. It was the only game on where I was at. Tannehill has tunnel vision. Charles Clay broke open to the left for what should have been the easiest touchdown of the entire weekend, and instead, Tannehill tried to force it into coverage to some guy wearing #14. Incomplete and had to settle for a field goal. He mostly looks to his receivers to make plays. Miller and Moreno can catch out of the backfield, however.

 

He can get that way, but when he's playing well (2nd half of Pats game, 2nd half of Packers game, Raiders game) he goes through his progressions and often finds his 2nd and 3rd options. At times he can look like the best QB in the league, and at times he looks like it's the first time he's ever played quarterback. He's a great athlete (WR in college) and often uses his legs to keep plays alive. They like to force feed Wallace, and at times he has ball security issues. I'd be surprised if Wallace doesn't have a fumble or 2 in this game. Jarvis Landry (2nd round pick out of LSU) is coming off a great game, but he's not anything too special. Lamar Miller can make plays and the combination of him and Moreno will be tough to stop, especially if Moreno is healthy. The Dolphins have been running a lot of read option lately and the Bears haven't been the best at stopping it, so look for the Dolphins to use it early and often.

 

The Dolphins have a terrific defense. Olivier Vernon and Cameron Wake are probably the best pair of DEs in the league. They can really pressure the QB. Brent Grimes is a terrific CB (#2 per PFF last year). Cortland Finnegan is pretty terrible these days and whoever he is guarding should have a monster day (probably Jeffrey). I think the Bears are going to have a tough time running the ball and will have some issues protecting Jay, but overall they should be able to move the ball via the pass and put up points.

 

As both a Bears and Dolphins fan, this game will be a bummer either way. Both teams really need a win. I'd go Bears 27-24.

 

First, for those saying this is a test of whether or not the Bears "play down to the comp," I find that sentiment odd. It's not like the Bears have shown themselves to be anything special yet, just like the Dolphins. They're basically the same team at this point, quality-wise. The Bears have one more win in one more game played, and both teams have a slight negative point differential.

 

I don't agree that Finnegan is "terrible these days" at all. He was pretty bad in St. Louis, but he's been good as a Dolphin outside of the last game. However, he and Grimes give up a LOT of size to Marshall and Jeffery, which will make those matchups very tough. They'll also be challenged to cover against Forte and Bennett with a linebacking corps that not entirely healthy. Misi is nursing an ankle injury that took him out on Green Bay's last drive last weekend, directly contributing to the game-winning touchdown pass from Rodgers to Quarless. If they have to put Wheeler in coverage, that's really bad news. Jelani Jenkins has been excellent in coverage, but he can only cover one or the other.

 

The Bears' question mark at RT is a disadvantage, considering the RT has to block Cameron wake. The Dolphins DL is very strong, and one of the keys to the Dolphins competing will be pressuring Cutler to make things easier on the coverage. On the flip side, the Dolphins need to establish the run game early to get shorter conversions and open up play action, and they need to run more plays with layered routes to get Tannehill rolling early. The Bears will want to lock down the running game and force Tannehill and the passing game to beat them.

 

Ultimately, I think this game comes down to line play on both sides. If the Bears can stop the Dolphin running game and protect Cutler consistently, the game is clearly in their favor. If the Dolphins can run the ball effectively and get pressure on Cutler, they probably win with a similar margin. If the results are in between, well, the results are in between.

 

I think the Bears are the better team. And are playing at home. The Bears won or nearly won several games last year (and in the opener this year) that they couldn't stop teams from running the ball. Even if the Dolphins do run the ball and get some pressure on Cutler, Jay has actually been really good under pressure this year. I think that even if the Dolphins run the ball well, sack Cutler 3-4 times, they still won't win if the Bears don't turn it over. You can argue that pressure will force turnovers, but it hasn't so far. Cutler has the 3rd highest completion percentage when under pressure with 5 TDs and 1 INT.

 

Home field is an advantage, sure, but how much has that helped this year?

 

The Bears may be a better team, but they sure haven't shown it. They were 8-8 last season, just like the Dolphins. And the difference between them in 2014 is 3 points in point differential and 1 more game played and won. Both teams have been the definition of average.

 

Pressure isn't all about sacks, either. I'd actually argue that sacks are the third most important effect of pressure, behind producing rushed/errant passes and reducing the necessary coverage time for the secondary/linebackers, and ahead of turnovers. That's the reason pressure is so important for the Dolphins--it makes the fight against Chicago's big, talented receivers a lot easier to compete in. They don't have to stop them every time; they just need to minimize extra yards and gradually force them into unideal conditions. It's the same way they played the Packers, and they could have (arguably should have) won that one.

 

I think the Bears have an advantage, but it's not a huge one.

[cubbyvirus00]

Also did I hear correctly the other week while watching the game that the Bears had among the highest red zone TD completion in the league this year?

 

Untimely.

 

 

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Yeah, I mean our offense is a powerhouse and we're clearly WAY better then Carolina and Atlanta :roll:

[Sammy Sofa]

Hes in year 2 of having most of the pieces in place for him to succeed, so you would hope to see some major improvement instead of some marginal improvement especially against divisional opponents. The excuses are gone.

 

How many times do you need the stats posted showing significant improvement over his last 16 games? Stop getting distracted by someone rattling a set of car keys.

[WrigleyField 22]

Look there's the part of you're belief I don't agree with because it's meatbally and thus has an inherently flawed premise.

 

Then there's the part where even if we take your meatball stance as valid, it's wrong:

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct

 

7th in red zone TD % this year. What's been so untimely?

 

 

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[rawaction]

So if u can't quantify Cutler's untimely INTs......u can at least count them right? Whats he had 2 this year? One of which his team still had every chance to win an OT game. The other they still had a favorable probability of winning until Cutler's teammate fumbled.

 

Name any others before this year.

[Banedon]

Also did I hear correctly the other week while watching the game that the Bears had among the highest red zone TD completion in the league this year?

 

Untimely.

 

 

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Yeah, I mean our offense is a powerhouse and we're clearly WAY better then Carolina and Atlanta :roll:

 

But shouldn't they be WAY better than us since their QB's don't throw untimely interceptions or something?

[Splendid Splinter]

So if u can't quantify Cutler's untimely INTs......u can at least count them right? Whats he had 2 this year? One of which his team still had every chance to win an OT game. The other they still had a favorable probability of winning until Cutler's teammate fumbled.

 

Name any others before this year.

 

This x1834759124590

 

The only INT I'm remotely pissed off about (regardless of the situation and shitty timing) is the Kyle Williams pick. The overthrow irks me somewhat, but every QB will overthrow one by a mile and he was overthrowing a bunch that day. The others? You got Brandon Marshall tipping one up in the air and another bounce off Tramon Williams and flew like 10 yards right at Clay Mathews. Then you got 2 more that were "miscommunication". Heck I'm more pissed off that Cutler has fumbled like 6 times already more than the INTs.

[Guest]

Ill-timed throws? Don't leave out 'costly turnovers' from the quote.

 

i'm asking what the long streak of untimely play is about

 

i know he has thrown interceptions at bad times sometimes. lots of quarterbacks have. even good ones. and yes, i'd like him to clean up that area of his game.

 

ROFL 'clean up' that area of his game? So 9 years in hes going to change suddenly?

So you were a supporter for the first 8 years, but this year is the tipping point?

 

In other words, after 8 years he still had a chance to change suddenly in your mind. But after 8.3 years, no [expletive] way.

[cubbyvirus00]

Ill-timed throws? Don't leave out 'costly turnovers' from the quote.

 

i'm asking what the long streak of untimely play is about

 

i know he has thrown interceptions at bad times sometimes. lots of quarterbacks have. even good ones. and yes, i'd like him to clean up that area of his game.

 

ROFL 'clean up' that area of his game? So 9 years in hes going to change suddenly?

So you were a supporter for the first 8 years, but this year is the tipping point?

 

In other words, after 8 years he still had a chance to change suddenly in your mind. But after 8.3 years, no [expletive] way.

 

 

This year is the year where the excuses are over for Jay. You have the offensive coaching, you have the tall non-midget WRs, a good TE and oline. Jay came to the Bears and was disappointing for many reasons. My point is this year there are no excuses for his play. I like some people here I'm sure, have had to defend Jay when friends who are fans of other teams rip him and think he sucks. The awful looking throws which lead to INTs and bad mechanics are no longer defensible. He has plenty enough to win.

 

The people posting about the red zone efficiency this year and the late game comebacks last year are talking about recent history. While nice, do you really dismiss the previous 7 years? .

 

Just 1 game ago many here were ready to write off the season and expecting a pounding from the Falcons. Jay had one of his best games as a Bear. Will a slight bump in his statistics mean that he will be able to lead the team with above average play over a span of 3-4 games (playoffs)? I'm curious in looking over his stats if he's ever had a stretch of above average play over 3-4 games. Jay has a high ceiling and a low floor which makes him so maddening as a player. Some of you guys act like that's a stretch.

[Guest]

So you were a supporter for the first 8 years, but this year is the tipping point?

 

In other words, after 8 years he still had a chance to change suddenly in your mind. But after 8.3 years, no [expletive] way.

 

 

This year is the year where the excuses are over for Jay. You have the offensive coaching, you have the tall non-midget WRs, a good TE and oline. Jay came to the Bears and was disappointing for many reasons. My point is this year there are no excuses for his play. I like some people here I'm sure, have had to defend Jay when friends who are fans of other teams rip him and think he sucks. The awful looking throws which lead to INTs and bad mechanics are no longer defensible. He has plenty enough to win.

 

The people posting about the red zone efficiency this year and the late game comebacks last year are talking about recent history. While nice, do you really dismiss the previous 7 years? .

 

Just 1 game ago many here were ready to write off the season and expecting a pounding from the Falcons. Jay had one of his best games as a Bear. Will a slight bump in his statistics mean that he will be able to lead the team with above average play over a span of 3-4 games (playoffs)? I'm curious in looking over his stats if he's ever had a stretch of above average play over 3-4 games. Jay has a high ceiling and a low floor which makes him so maddening as a player. Some of you guys act like that's a stretch.

Your logic is frighteningly inconsistent.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'll bet this guy finds a lot of things maddening.

[rawaction]

 

 

This year is the year where the excuses are over for Jay. You have the offensive coaching, you have the tall non-midget WRs, a good TE and oline. Jay came to the Bears and was disappointing for many reasons. My point is this year there are no excuses for his play. I like some people here I'm sure, have had to defend Jay when friends who are fans of other teams rip him and think he sucks. The awful looking throws which lead to INTs and bad mechanics are no longer defensible. He has plenty enough to win.

.

 

But what are you talking about here? You're essentially talking about 2 throws. The Kyle Williams INT in the opener and the overthrown 2nd INT in Carolina. You're willing to overlook 227 other throws that have yielded the numbers of a near elite QB. Nobody has made excuses for his poor throws ( I don't think). I even said myself, those throws can't happen. But you're falling in the Bears fan meatball trap of making up [expletive] or making things seem worse because of the unfortunate timing of less than 1% of his throws.

[Guest]

This year is the year where the excuses are over for Jay. You have the offensive coaching, you have the tall non-midget WRs, a good TE and oline. Jay came to the Bears and was disappointing for many reasons. My point is this year there are no excuses for his play. I like some people here I'm sure, have had to defend Jay when friends who are fans of other teams rip him and think he sucks. The awful looking throws which lead to INTs and bad mechanics are no longer defensible. He has plenty enough to win.

 

The people posting about the red zone efficiency this year and the late game comebacks last year are talking about recent history. While nice, do you really dismiss the previous 7 years? .

 

Just 1 game ago many here were ready to write off the season and expecting a pounding from the Falcons. Jay had one of his best games as a Bear. Will a slight bump in his statistics mean that he will be able to lead the team with above average play over a span of 3-4 games (playoffs)? I'm curious in looking over his stats if he's ever had a stretch of above average play over 3-4 games. Jay has a high ceiling and a low floor which makes him so maddening as a player. Some of you guys act like that's a stretch.

 

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[Wilson A2000]

Who knew Cutler's best season to date would be the tipping point? He's playing pretty well right now and I don't think he's the reason the Bears are 3-3 and not better.

[rawaction]

Starting LBs today = McClellin, Williams, and Greene.