NFL week 1 (Ray Rice/Goodell fiasco)

[jersey cubs fan]

I think that somebody powerful in the media needs to turn the lens to the owners and not just Baltimore's owners. Goodell is not as powerful as jerry jones or Paul Allen or Dan Rooney or Robert Kraft. Goodell only exists by the good graces of the owners and they could have instructed goodell to drop the hammer on rice or hardy or anybody else. They obviously didn't. They are the people most invested in denying the science of head injuries not goodell. He's is just their creature and when he's used up they will get another just like him.

 

And do what after you look at the owners?

 

They're paying him 30+ mil a year to handle issues like this. They shouldn't have to instruct him to suspend him further that's his job, they're not babysitters for Goodell. They pay him all that money to keep their hands clean from this.

 

Um ok. So if I ever own a massive hugely profitable business exempt from us antitrust law that also benefits greatly from state and local land and tax deals and questionable accounting principals; as long as I pay an unlikeable guy a lot of money I'm exempt from criticism.

 

I just think it makes more sense to narrow the scope to one very hittable target. Goodell taking a fall will hurt the owners. They will wind up buying him out and then hiring a new guy who will come under the microscope. If you widen the target to all the owners you run the risk of hitting nobody.

[UK1679666180]

I think that somebody powerful in the media needs to turn the lens to the owners and not just Baltimore's owners. Goodell is not as powerful as jerry jones or Paul Allen or Dan Rooney or Robert Kraft. Goodell only exists by the good graces of the owners and they could have instructed goodell to drop the hammer on rice or hardy or anybody else. They obviously didn't. They are the people most invested in denying the science of head injuries not goodell. He's is just their creature and when he's used up they will get another just like him.

 

And do what after you look at the owners?

 

They're paying him 30+ mil a year to handle issues like this. They shouldn't have to instruct him to suspend him further that's his job, they're not babysitters for Goodell. They pay him all that money to keep their hands clean from this.

 

Um ok. So if I ever own a massive hugely profitable business exempt from us antitrust law that also benefits greatly from state and local land and tax deals and questionable accounting principals; as long as I pay an unlikeable guy a lot of money I'm exempt from criticism.

 

What would you want to happen to the owners of the Tampa Bay Bucs?

[Ryne Ween]

The point of narrowing the scope to a hittable target is good and correct. And I have no answer to the question of what to do to the owners except maybe embarrass them for not being the ones outraged at the 2 game suspension. Goodell should be fired I agree and the nfl (as far as I know) has no actual mandate to punish players other than maybe a general desire that they remain consistent when punishing players.

 

I am just saying the owners as a group sucks as bad as goodell.

[jersey cubs fan]

and the nfl (as far as I know) has no actual mandate to punish players other than maybe a general desire that they remain consistent when punishing players.

 

I have no idea what this means.

[UK1679666180]

The point of narrowing the scope to a hittable target is good and correct. And I have no answer to the question of what to do to the owners except maybe embarrass them for not being the ones outraged at the 2 game suspension. Goodell should be fired I agree and the nfl (as far as I know) has no actual mandate to punish players other than maybe a general desire that they remain consistent when punishing players.

 

I am just saying the owners as a group sucks as bad as goodell.

 

They do, they're in their ivory tower looking down.

 

It's like the Panthers owner (Richardson) crying about how domestic violence is so bad and that Carolina has made many steps to prevent it while cheering for Hardy this Sunday.

[Guest]

I think the outcry against Goodell and specifically him stepping down is stronger post elevator video release.

 

I mean, obviously.

 

 

What are you trying to say?

Pointing out why someone might make the statement that there was NO outrage. They're creating a clear separation between the types of outcry because calling for rule changes is quite different than a change in leadership.

 

Right or wrong, I think the initial point that was made was that many people are claiming the second video changes nothing but weren't quite ready to call for Goodell to step down until they saw the video. So it must have meant something to the general public opinion because just as the leagues punishment shifted, so too did public opinion.

 

 

 

 

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Tons of people were calling for his dismissal with the 2 game suspension. There was so much outcry that the NFL had to apologize for only handing out a 2 game suspension and then changed the policy to 6 games for a first offense and lifetime for a second. The NFL admitted that their 2 game suspension was way too light before this newest video leaked.

 

The NFL botched this so horribly, and then they completely ignored their newest policy and just suspended him indefinitely rather than changing it to a 6 game ban, further making them look like chumps. On top of that, this indefinite suspension came AFTER Baltimore released him, which is also the same time Ray Rice became done as an NFL player, since no other team would be stupid enough to pick him up once that video went viral.

 

Goodell has no choice but to step down after this mess, IMO.

[Banedon]

@harveylevintmz

 

We believe we now know the person at the NFL who received the Ray Rice video.

[jersey cubs fan]

which is also the same time Ray Rice became done as an NFL player, since no other team would be stupid enough to pick him up once that video went viral.

 

I think there are a few teams that would strongly consider signing him following a cooling off period, and assuming no indefinite suspension.

[UK1679666180]

@harveylevintmz

 

We believe we now know the person at the NFL who received the Ray Rice video.

 

Can't wait to see the degree of separation to Goodell.

[Ryne Ween]

and the nfl (as far as I know) has no actual mandate to punish players other than maybe a general desire that they remain consistent when punishing players.

 

I have no idea what this means.

 

That the nfl didn't actually NEED to suspend ray rice at all. They do so for PR purposes and are not compelled to by any agreements or laws. They needed to I guess from a pr standpoint but I'm not aware that their antitrust exemption or tv deals require suspensions for immoral or illegal acts.

[Sammy Sofa]

So what?

[jersey cubs fan]

and the nfl (as far as I know) has no actual mandate to punish players other than maybe a general desire that they remain consistent when punishing players.

 

I have no idea what this means.

 

That the nfl didn't actually NEED to suspend ray rice at all. They do so for PR purposes and are not compelled to by any agreements or laws. They needed to I guess from a pr standpoint but I'm not aware that their antitrust exemption or tv deals require suspensions for immoral or illegal acts.

 

what in the living hell is this?

[weis21]

The NFL would NEED to suspend him based on their "conduct policy", right?

[Banedon]

and the nfl (as far as I know) has no actual mandate to punish players other than maybe a general desire that they remain consistent when punishing players.

 

I have no idea what this means.

 

That the nfl didn't actually NEED to suspend ray rice at all. They do so for PR purposes and are not compelled to by any agreements or laws. They needed to I guess from a pr standpoint but I'm not aware that their antitrust exemption or tv deals require suspensions for immoral or illegal acts.

 

What a weird stance to take. Of course it's PR. They're in the entertainment business. Players have personal behavior clauses in contracts. This isn't new.

[Soul]

which is also the same time Ray Rice became done as an NFL player, since no other team would be stupid enough to pick him up once that video went viral.

 

I think there are a few teams that would strongly consider signing him following a cooling off period, and assuming no indefinite suspension.

 

Pulled up his metrics because I haven't followed him in detail.

 

On the right side of 30. Probably still will be after a cooling off period. Big time dropoff in productivity last year though. Hard to say if that was him or blocking -- again I'm not following the Ravens very much.

 

You're most likely right, given the right price.

[weis21]

NFL Conduct Policy:

 

While criminal activity is clearly outside the scope of permissible conduct, and persons who

engage in criminal activity will be subject to discipline, the standard of conduct for persons

employed in the NFL is considerably higher. It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty

of a crime. Instead, as an employee of the NFL or a member club, you are held to a higher

standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is responsible, promotes the values

upon which the League is based, and is lawful.

 

http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/personal-conduct-policy.pdf

[Ryne Ween]

So what?

 

So the nfl is not accountable to anybody. Not difficult to understand. I'm talkin about the possibility of punishing the league owners and not just their lackey. Unless they have some agreement that they uphold some kind of standard then you can't really hold the leave accountable legally or financially. Apart from them looking bad there is no available recourse.

[UK1679666180]

He obviously violated the Code of Conduct and was subject to suspension.

 

The flaw is the subjectivity of it and how much variance there is. Now, they're trying to make it more black and white without ruffling the NFLPA.

[Andy]

Clay Travis is just the [expletive] worst:

posts like these mystify me

 

"i hate this guy, i won't specify why, so reward him with clicks!"

 

Sometimes venting is worth the additional 40 cents Clay Travis might make off a column.

The good news is most of us know Clay Travis is a jackass and therefore won't click on it anyway.

[UK1679666180]

So what?

 

So the nfl is not accountable to anybody. Not difficult to understand. I'm talkin about the possibility of punishing the league owners and not just their lackey. Unless they have some agreement that they uphold some kind of standard then you can't really hold the leave accountable legally or financially. Apart from them looking bad there is no available recourse.

 

They're accountable to TV contracts, sponsors, and fans and anything that generates income. We've already seen how much public perception dictates the NFL's actions.

 

A league viewed as thugs without rules would not sit well.

[UK1679666180]

Also, the NFL wants to keep Congress and any potential violation of anti-trust laws out of this. The weird investigation involving the FBI guy and the Mora and Rooney family has no subpoena power, it is in their best interest to keep Congress from meddling. Given their horrific ratings, Congress might want to be seen on ESPN again (see Steroids/MLB) rather than just C-SPAN.

[WrigleyField 22]

I think the outcry against Goodell and specifically him stepping down is stronger post elevator video release.

 

I mean, obviously.

 

 

What are you trying to say?

Pointing out why someone might make the statement that there was NO outrage. They're creating a clear separation between the types of outcry because calling for rule changes is quite different than a change in leadership.

 

Right or wrong, I think the initial point that was made was that many people are claiming the second video changes nothing but weren't quite ready to call for Goodell to step down until they saw the video. So it must have meant something to the general public opinion because just as the leagues punishment shifted, so too did public opinion.

 

 

 

 

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Tons of people were calling for his dismissal with the 2 game suspension. There was so much outcry that the NFL had to apologize for only handing out a 2 game suspension and then changed the policy to 6 games for a first offense and lifetime for a second. The NFL admitted that their 2 game suspension was way too light before this newest video leaked.

 

The NFL botched this so horribly, and then they completely ignored their newest policy and just suspended him indefinitely rather than changing it to a 6 game ban, further making them look like chumps. On top of that, this indefinite suspension came AFTER Baltimore released him, which is also the same time Ray Rice became done as an NFL player, since no other team would be stupid enough to pick him up once that video went viral.

 

Goodell has no choice but to step down after this mess, IMO.

Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention the first time around but I don't remember people wanting Goodell to get the axe so much as fix the hypocrisy in conduct related punishments. But that's basically what the initial post (by whoever made it) meant I'm pretty sure.

 

 

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[Formerly Snayke]

Clay Travis is just the [expletive] worst:

posts like these mystify me

 

"i hate this guy, i won't specify why, so reward him with clicks!"

 

Sometimes venting is worth the additional 40 cents Clay Travis might make off a column.

The good news is most of us know Clay Travis is a jackass and therefore won't click on it anyway.

 

Fair enough.

[WrigleyField 22]

The issues I have with the NFL:

 

2 game suspension after they knew Rice had knocked her out.

Using prior instances of Rice and charities factoring in the current event as far as a smaller suspension.

After public outcry, changing it to a 6 game suspension.

Lying about not viewing the tape.

Trying to cover it up. They knew what happened and got caught.

Having his battered interviewed wthe abuser right next to her.

I wasn't aware of the second point. Point three I don't understand. Your upset they responded to public opinion ?(well not so much for Rice but future instances)

 

 

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When it takes public outcry rather than common sense/morals to create a tougher punishment. When you suspend players 4 games for weed and only two games for knocking out a woman and dragging her around, it shouldn't take people bitching about it to change that.

Of course the previous conditions were bad, but I can't really list trying to improve that in my negatives column. I mean it's not like this is the first ever domestic abuse case with an NFL player. It seems like your just repeating issue one, which I'd agree with.

 

 

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It shows they care about their image rather than the victims of domestic violence.

Yea I guess I just didn't associate their image consciousness with this event. They always have been image conscious sbd it drives everything they do. And I'm not so sure they don't care about domestic violence though I'm not sure they know how to adress it. I don't believe stricter fines will curb domestic violence in a serious way so the only way to address it is to separate the player from your league (which doesn't address the actual issue) or go outside your normal business, which could be interpreted as more PR [expletive] anyways, though depends on how it's done.

 

 

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[Banedon]

Haha...how apt!

 

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/rihanna-is-the-opening-act-on-thursday-night-football