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Unlikely but not impossible. Carlos Gonzalez signed 7/80 after only his third year in the league, one in which he put up .336/.376/.598/.974 and finished third in the MVP voting.

 

I was going to reference this, but it's quite possible Boras has changed his opinon with the way the market has shifted.

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Chicago Cubs ‏@Cubs 1m

Tonight’s #Cubs lineup vs #Reds: Coghlan LF, Baez 2B, Rizzo 1B, Castro SS, Valbuena 3B, Sweeney RF, Alcantara CF, Castillo C, Wood P

 

officially not in the lineup

 

Soler to joint he team tomorrow.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-cubs-calling-up-jorge-soler-20140825-story.html

So he stayed in AAA until the Tacoma trip so he could legally buy?

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People go with Boras a lot of the time to get the most money, but he also needs to listen to what his client wants, and if Kris Bryant tells him "I'm open to signing an extension with the Cubs" Boras isn't going to say "No, you need to wait until FA and make them get into a bidding war", he's going to negotiate an extension with the Cubs.

 

This whole "Boras client, no way he signs an extension" talk that I've seen a lot recently is silly, IMO. He's not impervious to making early extensions, he's just going to make sure he can extract the most amount of money out of a team in the process.

 

That Gonzalez example is good because it shows a) he was willing to do it and b) it was a fair contract for both sides. $70 million is a [expletive] load of money for a guy who put up one and a half great seasons. And it's a great price for a team who got a budding superstar on a long term deal. Boras wont be allowing any Longoria type extensions, but he won't be ruling any extensions out either.

 

Actually the Gonzalez one would probably be a good measuring stick for what Bryant could command if he puts up a big year next year, and I'd be happy to have the Cubs give him something like that in that scenario.

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So, I honestly think that Soler is our best pure hitting prospect. No disrespect to Baez or Bryant, but only Soler can develop into a guy with elite plate discipline and ridiculous power potential. He might one day have a season where he is a 450 obp guy. Honestly, only Schwarber in our system is like that.
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So, I honestly think that Soler is our best pure hitting prospect. No disrespect to Baez or Bryant, but only Soler can develop into a guy with elite plate discipline and ridiculous power potential. He might one day have a season where he is a 450 obp guy. Honestly, only Schwarber in our system is like that.

I don't get how Bryant is less capable of having elite plate discipline and power potential.

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So, I honestly think that Soler is our best pure hitting prospect. No disrespect to Baez or Bryant, but only Soler can develop into a guy with elite plate discipline and ridiculous power potential. He might one day have a season where he is a 450 obp guy. Honestly, only Schwarber in our system is like that.

 

I might have to agree with you. I really like Soler the most in terms of hitting, that's not to take anything away from the other guys.

 

I really like Schwarber too. He'll fit in really well with this group.

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So, I honestly think that Soler is our best pure hitting prospect. No disrespect to Baez or Bryant, but only Soler can develop into a guy with elite plate discipline and ridiculous power potential. He might one day have a season where he is a 450 obp guy. Honestly, only Schwarber in our system is like that.

I don't get how Bryant is less capable of having elite plate discipline and power potential.

 

I'm guessing people look at Bryant's K rate and get this perception that he's a slightly less free swinging Baez or something.

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So, I honestly think that Soler is our best pure hitting prospect. No disrespect to Baez or Bryant, but only Soler can develop into a guy with elite plate discipline and ridiculous power potential. He might one day have a season where he is a 450 obp guy. Honestly, only Schwarber in our system is like that.

I don't get how Bryant is less capable of having elite plate discipline and power potential.

 

I'm guessing people look at Bryant's K rate and get this perception that he's a slightly less free swinging Baez or something.

 

Yeah, his problem is that he swings and misses, not that he's unwilling to take a walk.

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How much of Bryant's BB% can be attributed to teams pitching around him so he doesn't hit a home run into space vs. him actually having an elite knowledge of the strike zone and pitch recognition, though? I don't doubt his future ability in the plate discipline department, but I'm curious how many of his walks this year have been generated out of fear rather than his skill.
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Unless you think Bryant's ability to hit balls into space will evaporate at the MLB level, that's a distinction that has very little meaning.
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Unless you think Bryant's ability to hit balls into space will evaporate at the MLB level, that's a distinction that has very little meaning.

Bryant continues to get sold short. If I'm a betting man and I have to place a bet on who will have a better career OPS between Bryant, Baez, and Soler- I'm taking Bryant and giving odds. But I'm not a betting man.

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Unless you think Bryant's ability to hit balls into space will evaporate at the MLB level, that's a distinction that has very little meaning.

Bryant continues to get sold short. If I'm a betting man and I have to place a bet on who will have a better career OPS between Bryant, Baez, and Soler- I'm taking Bryant and giving odds. But I'm not a betting man.

 

Agreed. If I were to guess, for Bryant's numbers will be similar to David Wright's (maybe Chipper Jones'), Soler's to Andre Dawson (Vlad if we are lucky), and Baez to no one I can think of who played the vast majority of his games at a MIF position.

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if soler has a lifetime .323 obp, things did not go well

 

I would argue if Soler wins ROY/MVP and is voted into the HOF *despite* a .323 OBP then things went incredibly well. Glass half empty, eh?

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if soler has a lifetime .323 obp, things did not go well

 

I would argue if Soler wins ROY/MVP and is voted into the HOF *despite* a .323 OBP then things went incredibly well. Glass half empty, eh?

No, those superficial awards wouldn't take away from the fact he had a rather pedestrian career.

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if soler has a lifetime .323 obp, things did not go well

 

I would argue if Soler wins ROY/MVP and is voted into the HOF *despite* a .323 OBP then things went incredibly well. Glass half empty, eh?

No, those superficial awards wouldn't take away from the fact he had a rather pedestrian career.

 

Dawson did not have a pedestrian career.

 

He AVERAGED about 3.7 WAR per 162 games over a 21 year career.

 

 

And I'd also argue that even though there are some undeserving outliers, just about nobody gets into the HOF despite a pedestrian career.

 

i think tree was just alluding to the fact that soler should have more plate discipline than dawson...otherwise, even a .323 obp isn't all that bad for an entire 20+ year career (thus including the early and especially late down years)...especially in the current environment

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