Cole Hamels Traded to Rangers

[Guest]

This has to be a good sign for payroll limitations. The Phillies could've just dumped his salary on us (and received no prospect in return). Obviously they didn't and I wouldn't say it was ever likely, but Theo was comfortable taking on $96 million if they did. That's a big chunk of change.

The Phil's weren't going to let him go as a cash dump. Amaro would get killed. The Cubs were always going to have to pay a premium in prospects if they wanted him.

 

Get Lester in the offseason.

 

We don't know that. Part of the package might have been the Phillies picking up some of the salary, which might be why the Phillies would have been asking for a premium prospect.

Well then that is not good news for payroll limitations. My point was/is that the Phillies would not do a salary dump and get nothing in return.

[Clem Fandango]

This has to be a good sign for payroll limitations. The Phillies could've just dumped his salary on us (and received no prospect in return). Obviously they didn't and I wouldn't say it was ever likely, but Theo was comfortable taking on $96 million if they did. That's a big chunk of change.

The Phil's weren't going to let him go as a cash dump. Amaro would get killed. The Cubs were always going to have to pay a premium in prospects if they wanted him.

 

Get Lester in the offseason.

 

We don't know that. Part of the package might have been the Phillies picking up some of the salary, which might be why the Phillies would have been asking for a premium prospect.

Well then that is not good news for payroll limitations. My point was/is that the Phillies would not do a salary dump and get nothing in return.

 

Yes, we know, but you started that debate yourself. That wasn't the point of the original post. He even said that probably wasn't ever likely. It's the fact that Theo was willing to put the Cubs in a position where if Amaro did something wacky and just gave him and his entire salary to the Cubs, then the Cubs were prepared for that, which meant they are ready to take on larger salaries. He never said it was going to happen, he was using it as an example to show the Cubs are just warming up and they are going to soon be ready to make big moves. The point wasn't "We're getting him for free" it was "The Cubs are nearly ready to go all in"

[Guest]

This has to be a good sign for payroll limitations. The Phillies could've just dumped his salary on us (and received no prospect in return). Obviously they didn't and I wouldn't say it was ever likely, but Theo was comfortable taking on $96 million if they did. That's a big chunk of change.

The Phil's weren't going to let him go as a cash dump. Amaro would get killed. The Cubs were always going to have to pay a premium in prospects if they wanted him.

 

Get Lester in the offseason.

 

We don't know that. Part of the package might have been the Phillies picking up some of the salary, which might be why the Phillies would have been asking for a premium prospect.

Well then that is not good news for payroll limitations. My point was/is that the Phillies would not do a salary dump and get nothing in return.

 

Yes, we know, but you started that debate yourself. That wasn't the point of the original post. He even said that probably wasn't ever likely. It's the fact that Theo was willing to put the Cubs in a position where if Amaro did something wacky and just gave him and his entire salary to the Cubs, then the Cubs were prepared for that, which meant they are ready to take on larger salaries. He never said it was going to happen, he was using it as an example to show the Cubs are just warming up and they are going to soon be ready to make big moves. The point wasn't "We're getting him for free" it was "The Cubs are nearly ready to go all in"

ok

[Heisenberg]

Trade for Hamels and Sign Lester. [expletive].

[Clem Fandango]

I guess this should be bumped too if we're gonna update threads pertaining to specific pitchers.

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/10/03/phillies-reportedly-will-try-to-trade-cole-hamels-this-offseason-cubs-interested/

 

Don't think the Cubs will get him because Amaro is a doofus who will probably ask for Bryant and Soler or something outlandish, but their previous interest probably means there will be lots of rumors, so might as well bump it.

[Guest]

Give them Castro

[Guest]

How about Christian Villanueva and one of Gleyber or Eloy.

 

Again. I am not ok with including Hendricks. We will regret it.

[Guest]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[Tryptamine]

Give them Castro

 

Good lord no. Please take our 3 time all star shortstop whose contract is going to provide 50M in surplus value so that we can pay your pitcher 23M annually despite his shoulder issues. If a deal can get done giving up no one more valuable than Alcantara go for it, but any of the big 4 are off limits.

[Sammy Sofa]

Give them Castro

 

This is even more madness now than when you first brought it up.

[Guest]

Give them Castro

 

Good lord no. Please take our 3 time all star shortstop whose contract is going to provide 50M in surplus value so that we can pay your pitcher 23M annually despite his shoulder issues. If a deal can get done giving up no one more valuable than Alcantara go for it, but any of the big 4 are off limits.

Shoulder issues are overblown and his contract is only 4 more years. Plus Philly would be eating one year of it to make the deal.

Edited October 6, 2014 by Stannis

[Guest]

Give them Castro

 

This is even more madness now than when you first brought it up.

Your face inspires madness.

[Guest]

Give them Castro

 

This is even more madness now than when you first brought it up.

Your face inspires madness.

nah, it's not his face.

[Guest]

Some indicators that the price on Hamels this winter may not be as absurd as over the summer:

 

- Pat Gillick said in an interview yesterday that the team does not expect to contend in 2015 or 2016

 

- @Buster_ESPN: The Phillies have signaled to some that they're ready to deal veterans this winter,and eat money to do it.

[jersey cubs fan]

Some indicators that the price on Hamels this winter may not be absurd as over the summer:

 

- Pat Gillick said in an interview yesterday that the team does not expect to contend in 2015 or 2016

 

- @Buster_ESPN: The Phillies have signaled to some that they're ready to deal veterans this winter,and eat money to do it.

 

Was the price really absurd?

[Cubswin11]

Some indicators that the price on Hamels this winter may not be absurd as over the summer:

 

- Pat Gillick said in an interview yesterday that the team does not expect to contend in 2015 or 2016

 

- @Buster_ESPN: The Phillies have signaled to some that they're ready to deal veterans this winter,and eat money to do it.

 

Was the price really absurd?

Was there ever any rumored price when we claimed him off of waivers?

[SouthSideRyan]

Some indicators that the price on Hamels this winter may not be absurd as over the summer:

 

- Pat Gillick said in an interview yesterday that the team does not expect to contend in 2015 or 2016

 

- @Buster_ESPN: The Phillies have signaled to some that they're ready to deal veterans this winter,and eat money to do it.

 

Was the price really absurd?

Was there ever any rumored price when we claimed him off of waivers?

 

Nope, just a sketchy(IIRC) report about them wanting Urias, Seager, and Pederson. I believe there was even a denial of that by Amaro. I may have dreamt all this.

[Guest]

Some indicators that the price on Hamels this winter may not be absurd as over the summer:

 

- Pat Gillick said in an interview yesterday that the team does not expect to contend in 2015 or 2016

 

- @Buster_ESPN: The Phillies have signaled to some that they're ready to deal veterans this winter,and eat money to do it.

 

Was the price really absurd?

 

Like SSR I may have imagined this, but my recollection is that Hamels' pricetag was taking on his entire contract and offering up at least one of the top prospects in the system(read: Baez), probably 2.

[jersey cubs fan]

Some indicators that the price on Hamels this winter may not be absurd as over the summer:

 

- Pat Gillick said in an interview yesterday that the team does not expect to contend in 2015 or 2016

 

- @Buster_ESPN: The Phillies have signaled to some that they're ready to deal veterans this winter,and eat money to do it.

 

Was the price really absurd?

 

Like SSR I may have imagined this, but my recollection is that Hamels' pricetag was taking on his entire contract and offering up at least one of the top prospects in the system(read: Baez), probably 2.

I was under the impression it wasn't so much a price tag as it was an interest gauger. The Cubs put in the bid not with the expectation they would get him but just to open up the dialogue. They were telling the league (and season ticket holders) they were ready to spend on a pitcher and telling Philly they would be willing to talk about Hamels, but I didn't get the idea that Philly had a real price tag at the time.

[Guest]

Some indicators that the price on Hamels this winter may not be absurd as over the summer:

 

- Pat Gillick said in an interview yesterday that the team does not expect to contend in 2015 or 2016

 

- @Buster_ESPN: The Phillies have signaled to some that they're ready to deal veterans this winter,and eat money to do it.

 

Was the price really absurd?

 

Like SSR I may have imagined this, but my recollection is that Hamels' pricetag was taking on his entire contract and offering up at least one of the top prospects in the system(read: Baez), probably 2.

I was under the impression it wasn't so much a price tag as it was an interest gauger. The Cubs put in the bid not with the expectation they would get him but just to open up the dialogue. They were telling the league (and season ticket holders) they were ready to spend on a pitcher and telling Philly they would be willing to talk about Hamels, but I didn't get the idea that Philly had a real price tag at the time.

 

I was just about to edit, but re-reading this thread there's a report from Wittenmyer saying they asked for Russell. That may have come with strings attached(hopefully of the "we'll send you 15 million a year until the sun blows up" variety), but more likely, it's validation that they didn't have any idea of how Hamels should be valued, when combined with the other rumblings and Amaro's general incompetence. Hopefully that's changed now that you have people like Amaro's boss saying "2017 at the earliest", but I think we can be reasonably certain that before there wasn't a chance for a deal to happen even if the Cubs were really wanting to do it in August.

[sneakypower]

i read several reports that their demands were really laughable

[Tryptamine]

Some indicators that the price on Hamels this winter may not be absurd as over the summer:

 

- Pat Gillick said in an interview yesterday that the team does not expect to contend in 2015 or 2016

 

- @Buster_ESPN: The Phillies have signaled to some that they're ready to deal veterans this winter,and eat money to do it.

 

Was the price really absurd?

 

Like SSR I may have imagined this, but my recollection is that Hamels' pricetag was taking on his entire contract and offering up at least one of the top prospects in the system(read: Baez), probably 2.

 

I remember reading that the Phillies wanted Russell just to start with. Also, there was that rumor that Amaro asked LA for Urias,Pederson and Seager which I wouldn't believe if it wasn't Amaro.

[Guest]

Get him.

[d_money]

All it takes to get Lester is money. Why would we give up a top tier prospect + $ to get Hamel?

[Guest]

All it takes to get Lester is money. Why would we give up a top tier prospect + $ to get Hamel?

If it doesn't take a top prospect, why not?

 

Torres and Jeff Baez?