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According to Baseball Reference, Joe Mather's epic -2.0 WAR in 2011 was the worst Cubs season since Scott Thomson's -2.2 in 1981.

 

Apparently Mather's season was so bad, I completely blocked it from my memory. I barely remember him being a Cub.

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Post-integration fWAR totals for Cubs hitters.

 

John Baker comes in as the 65th worst bat (including pitchers).

 

Some notable guys:

13 - Joe Mather (-2.0)

18 - Ronny Cedeno (-1.5)

22 - Aaron Miles (-1.4)

24 - Josh Vitters (-1.4)

26 - Koyie Hill (-1.3)

30 - Todd Zeile (-1.3)

31 - Ryan Dempster (-1.3)

34 - Howard Johnson (-1.2)

48 - Lenny Harris (-1.0)

54 - Candy Maldonado (-1.0)

59 - Steve Clevenger (-0.9)

 

Also showing up in the top 100 were Ted Lilly, Matt Clement, Augie Ojeda, Rey Ordonez, and John Mabry.

 

 

And here's the pitchers, if anybody is interested.

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According to Baseball Reference, Joe Mather's epic -2.0 WAR in 2011 was the worst Cubs season since Scott Thomson's -2.2 in 1981.

 

Apparently Mather's season was so bad, I completely blocked it from my memory. I barely remember him being a Cub.

 

-3.3 fWAR in 554 PAs for his Cubs career. 554!

 

Neifi does have the worst wRC+ among players with 5000 PA or more. I can't find a sortable table with runs created above average, but as of April 12, 2006, Perez had the 3rd worst RCAA of all time. He was dreadful the remainder of 2006 and in 2007, his last season. I just don't know if he went to the plate enough to secure the worst RCAA ever.

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According to Baseball Reference, Joe Mather's epic -2.0 WAR in 2011 was the worst Cubs season since Scott Thomson's -2.2 in 1981.

 

Apparently Mather's season was so bad, I completely blocked it from my memory. I barely remember him being a Cub.

 

No kidding; I've completely forgotten about that debacle.

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Not that I thought he was great by any stretch, but I thought Ronny Cedeno was better than that.
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Not that I thought he was great by any stretch, but I thought Ronny Cedeno was better than that.

That's how I felt about Scot Thompson being on the list. Totally expected to see Dave Rosello and Rob Sperring though! My dad used to complain that Sperring must have had incriminating pictures of Jim Marshall to get in the game as much as he did.

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Not that I thought he was great by any stretch, but I thought Ronny Cedeno was better than that.

That's how I felt about Scot Thompson being on the list. Totally expected to see Dave Rosello and Rob Sperring though! My dad used to complain that Sperring must have had incriminating pictures of Jim Marshall to get in the game as much as he did.

 

 

Man am I happy I wasn't born yet...I know 0/4 of those names.

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Currently at .165/.230/.187. Has thrown out 2 of 30 trying to steal. In complete seriousness, is he the worst Cub player ever?

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Post-integration fWAR totals for Cubs hitters.

 

John Baker comes in as the 65th worst bat (including pitchers).

 

Some notable guys:

13 - Joe Mather (-2.0)

18 - Ronny Cedeno (-1.5)

22 - Aaron Miles (-1.4)

24 - Josh Vitters (-1.4)

26 - Koyie Hill (-1.3)

30 - Todd Zeile (-1.3)

31 - Ryan Dempster (-1.3)

34 - Howard Johnson (-1.2)

48 - Lenny Harris (-1.0)

54 - Candy Maldonado (-1.0)

59 - Steve Clevenger (-0.9)

 

Also showing up in the top 100 were Ted Lilly, Matt Clement, Augie Ojeda, Rey Ordonez, and John Mabry.

 

 

And here's the pitchers, if anybody is interested.

wasn't there some dolt who was campaigning for Vitters as LF? we could have seen some historic numbers compiled

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wasn't there some dolt who was campaigning for Vitters as LF? we could have seen some historic numbers compiled

 

This year? I can't think of anybody.

 

That said, he's not nearly as bad as that fWAR total makes him look. He had a .154 BABIP at the major league level. That's just terrible luck. Even Pedro Martinez put up a .174 BABIP as a hitter.

 

An optimistic outcome at this point is looking like a halfway decent platoon guy and pinch hitter. But at least it's something.

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wasn't there some dolt who was campaigning for Vitters as LF? we could have seen some historic numbers compiled

 

This year? I can't think of anybody.

 

That said, he's not nearly as bad as that fWAR total makes him look. He had a .154 BABIP at the major league level. That's just terrible luck. Even Pedro Martinez put up a .174 BABIP as a hitter.

 

An optimistic outcome at this point is looking like a halfway decent platoon guy and pinch hitter. But at least it's something.

He was calling out Kyle.

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wasn't there some dolt who was campaigning for Vitters as LF? we could have seen some historic numbers compiled

 

This year? I can't think of anybody.

 

That said, he's not nearly as bad as that fWAR total makes him look. He had a .154 BABIP at the major league level. That's just terrible luck. Even Pedro Martinez put up a .174 BABIP as a hitter.

 

An optimistic outcome at this point is looking like a halfway decent platoon guy and pinch hitter. But at least it's something.

He was calling out Kyle.

 

How did I miss that one?

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wasn't there some dolt who was campaigning for Vitters as LF? we could have seen some historic numbers compiled

 

This year? I can't think of anybody.

 

That said, he's not nearly as bad as that fWAR total makes him look. He had a .154 BABIP at the major league level. That's just terrible luck. Even Pedro Martinez put up a .174 BABIP as a hitter.

 

An optimistic outcome at this point is looking like a halfway decent platoon guy and pinch hitter. But at least it's something.

He was calling out Kyle.

 

How did I miss that one?

alcohol?

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oooh, I was wrong about a baseball player's projection for the year. I'll never live *that* one down... doofus

 

aggressively wrong

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