6/18 Cubs (Arrieta) at Marlins (Eovaldi) CSN 11:40

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I have no idea what you're arguing about. They're both [expletive] but one or the other pretty much has to play right now, and I'm just saying that, for entertainment's sake, I guess I'd rather see home runs than sweet grabs at 2B.

 

I am arguing against the notion that Barney is [expletive] blocking Olt. Olt had his chance to whip his [expletive] out and do something with it but he blew it. Barney's sucking has nothing to do with Olt's [expletive].

 

Not saying Olt is good at all, but it's possible for guys to blow it early in their careers and, you know, get better. Again, not saying Olt is that guy, but it happens. A lot.

 

Olt will be 26 in two months.

 

And Jake Arrieta was 26 two years ago and people seem to have started to like him.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Pitchers are different.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

And it's his first shot at a full MLB season. Age ≠ Experience

 

Age is more important.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Pitchers are different.

 

Jose Bautista then?

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Pitchers are different.

 

And to be fair, a lot of people (here as well) wrote off Arrieta before this season.

[SouthSideRyan]

Olt had his chance to whip his [expletive] out and do something with it but he blew it. Barney's sucking has nothing to do with Olt's [expletive].

 

I hope Laurens is 18 by now because this is graphic

[SouthSideRyan]

I have no idea what you're arguing about. They're both [expletive] but one or the other pretty much has to play right now, and I'm just saying that, for entertainment's sake, I guess I'd rather see home runs than sweet grabs at 2B.

 

I am arguing against the notion that Barney is [expletive] blocking Olt. Olt had his chance to whip his [expletive] out and do something with it but he blew it. Barney's sucking has nothing to do with Olt's [expletive].

 

Not saying Olt is good at all, but it's possible for guys to blow it early in their careers and, you know, get better. Again, not saying Olt is that guy, but it happens. A lot.

 

This is true. With Olt, we're talking a 25 year old who still has a chance to figure things out and become a perennial 30+ HR guy. With Barney, he's a safe bet to spend the next decade doing what he doing scattered between 7-10 teams.

 

BUUUUUKKKKIIIIEEEEEEE

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Bosio is magical. I might have to buy this.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Chris-Chicago-Authentic-Jersey-Majestic/dp/B00C5RG2WG

[jersey cubs fan]

Pitchers are different.

 

Jose Bautista then?

 

23.5% K% at age 26 with the Pirates, Mike Olt is at 36.7% this year.

[SouthSideRyan]

Pitchers are different.

 

Jose Bautista then?

 

23.5% K% at age 26 with the Pirates, Mike Olt is at 36.7% this year.

 

But when he makes contact he's hitting line drives 11% of the time!

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Pitchers are different.

 

Jose Bautista then?

 

23.5% K% at age 26 with the Pirates, Mike Olt is at 36.7% this year.

 

The point more being I think he was thought to have blown his chance early on. And if nobody had given him another chance, he'd have been thought of like Olt years later.

[Guest]

pedro alvarez would've been a better name to toss out but olt is still worse than he is at his worst

[Cubswin11]

Pitchers are different.

 

Jose Bautista then?

Buatista was still an OK player when he was in Pit and on the Jays before he blew up.

 

2006 (first year he got more than 100 ML PA's): .235/.335/.420 16 HR

2007: .254/.339/.414 15 HR

2008: .238/.313/.405 15 HR

2009: .235/.349/.408 13 HR

 

Olt isn't even sniffing those numbers

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Pitchers are different.

 

Jose Bautista then?

 

23.5% K% at age 26 with the Pirates, Mike Olt is at 36.7% this year.

 

And also, I'm not defending Olt in any way. I'm arguing against the thought that if you get a chance and blow it, you should be dropped.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Pitchers are different.

 

And to be fair, a lot of people (here as well) wrote off Arrieta before this season.

 

Sure. Everybody knows that sometimes, once in awhile, baseball players do crazy things. That scrawny Junior Lake clone from the White Sox hit 66 home runs one year.

 

But that doesn't mean you can't cut bad players. The player you replace them with is just as likely to do the magical transformation as the bad player is.

[SouthSideRyan]

Pitchers are different.

 

Jose Bautista then?

 

23.5% K% at age 26 with the Pirates, Mike Olt is at 36.7% this year.

 

And also, I'm not defending Olt in any way. I'm arguing against the thought that if you get a chance and blow it, you should be dropped.

 

I anticipate your campaign for Brett Jackson's callup

[jersey cubs fan]

Pitchers are different.

 

Jose Bautista then?

 

23.5% K% at age 26 with the Pirates, Mike Olt is at 36.7% this year.

 

The point more being I think he was thought to have blown his chance early on. And if nobody had given him another chance, he'd have been thought of like Olt years later.

 

I know the point you are trying to make, it is just a terrible point with a bad example.

 

The point that I am making is that Darwin Freaking Barney is not preventing Olt from doing anything. Olt's shittiness is why he doesn't play as much as some would hope, not Darwin Freaking Barney.

[Sammy Sofa]

No, no, no, Kap and Hollandsworth are not seriously bitching over Starlin's AB where he grounded out to third and didn't move Rizzo to 3rd, are they?

 

Oh, they are.

 

Kap is a dope but Hollandsworth should know better. He's a terrible human being.

 

What the [expletive] is their [expletive] problem. This team is a collection of flaming garbage, yet they waste time complaining about one of the few good players who actually has a future with this team. Yet I'm sure they cried tears of sad boners when Bonifacio went down because he's fast.

[Sammy Sofa]

Pitchers are different.

 

Jose Bautista then?

Buatista was still an OK player when he was in Pit and on the Jays before he blew up.

 

2006 (first year he got more than 100 ML PA's): .235/.335/.420 16 HR

2007: .254/.339/.414 15 HR

2008: .238/.313/.405 15 HR

2009: .235/.349/.408 13 HR

 

Olt isn't even sniffing those numbers

 

Sure he is...if you pretend those were Bautista's month to month OPS numbers.

[jersey cubs fan]

No, no, no, Kap and Hollandsworth are not seriously bitching over Starlin's AB where he grounded out to third and didn't move Rizzo to 3rd, are they?

 

Oh, they are.

 

Kap is a dope but Hollandsworth should know better. He's a terrible human being.

 

What the [expletive] is their [expletive] problem. This team is a collection of flaming garbage, yet they waste time complaining about one of the few good players who actually has a future with this team. Yet I'm sure they cried tears of sad boners when Bonifacio went down because he's fast.

 

Classic old school coach/father figure mentality.

They complain because they care? You should start to worry when they stop complaining about you?

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Pitchers are different.

 

Jose Bautista then?

Buatista was still an OK player when he was in Pit and on the Jays before he blew up.

 

2006 (first year he got more than 100 ML PA's): .235/.335/.420 16 HR

2007: .254/.339/.414 15 HR

2008: .238/.313/.405 15 HR

2009: .235/.349/.408 13 HR

 

Olt isn't even sniffing those numbers

 

Sure he is...if you pretend those were Bautista's month to month OPS numbers.

 

You're a hard guy to please no matter what, though. You don't even like Rizzo.

[Sammy Sofa]

No, I am a man of my word; I appreciate Rizzo now.

 

And I really, really, really wanted Olt to be good.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

No, I am a man of my word; I appreciate Rizzo now.

 

And I really, really, really wanted Olt to be good.

 

Oh, crap. I missed the conversion. Nice.

[jersey cubs fan]

No, I am a man of my word; I appreciate Rizzo now.

 

And I really, really, really wanted Olt to be good.

 

I was so desperate it would not have taken much to make me think he could stick.

[Clem Fandango]

Olt will be 26 in two months.

 

And it's his first shot at a full MLB season. Age ≠ Experience

 

Lack of experience ≠ upside.

 

Not defending his play this year... it's been dreadful. But I'm not writing him off as a future full time player yet. Will he be a future full timer with the Cubs? Probably not given they have a flurry of better options at the position now (Valbuena) and in the very near future (Bryant, Baez, maybe Villanueva if he turns it around), but I think eventually he'll latch on and put it together enough to put up numbers comparable to Pedro Alvarez's 2012.