Hammel Trade Rumors

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm campaigning to get rid of Olt.

[dew1679666265]

I was referring to the latter, but to keep things on the former, the bigger issue there is that of the potential outcomes for Olt, a large amount of the positive ones end up with him as a player of Valbuena's caliber, maybe slightly better or slightly worse. It's difficult to see through the haze because he has a limited amount of PAs above AA, but with his age there's less room for optimism than in other cases. On top of it, even talking about guys with lots of team control, there's a number of players with better chances of reaching "greater than Valbuenadom" coming on the infield(Baez, Bryant, even Alcantara) to make Olt more marginalized.

 

All that said I'm not campaigning to get rid of Olt, there's room for him and Valbuena on a roster or even an infield, but if forced to choose I'll take Valbuena.

 

I definitely see your point. However, the combination of Olt's most likely outcome being Valbuena with a chance for more, Olt's age (26 vs 29) and team control, makes him more appealing to me.

 

It would take a lot for me to give either, though.

[Guest]

I definitely see your point. However, the combination of Olt's most likely outcome being Valbuena with a chance for more, Olt's age (26 vs 29) and team control, makes him more appealing to me.

 

It would take a lot for me to give either, though.

 

The crux of what I'm getting at is the most likely outcome for Olt is a good bit worse than Valbuena, he needs to reach a positive development outcome just to reach Valbuena's level. That makes pretty slim odds of him being better enough to be worth gambling on his downside in the name of that chance and additional years of team control.

[davell]

With Olt K'ing 33% or so and having a swing that gets under the ball, he's obviously going to struggle with his BA. His LD% is actually under 10% though, which does surprise me somewhat. Giving me hope he can hit .215-.225 anyway. Which turns into a nice player, given his other stuff.

[dew1679666265]

The crux of what I'm getting at is the most likely outcome for Olt is a good bit worse than Valbuena, he needs to reach a positive development outcome just to reach Valbuena's level. That makes pretty slim odds of him being better enough to be worth gambling on his downside in the name of that chance and additional years of team control.

 

Ok, I see what you're saying. I guess I'm just hanging on to Olt's one-time elite talent (maybe a little too much).

[CubsWin]

I'd really like to see Hammel go to either the Yankees or Blue Jays. The Yankees don't have enough pitching to land Samardzija and the Blue Jays find the asking price for Shark to be too high. Both teams have the kind of prospects necessary to get Hammel, though. And both of the motivation.

 

From the Blue Jays, the pitching prospects from which to choose are numerous with High-A lefty Daniel Norris leading the pack. Alberto Tirado leads a long list of interesting names the Jays have on Low-A. LHP Jairo Labourt, Chase De Jong, among others fill out the list for me.

 

The Yankees don't have tremendous depth of pitching prospects, but if they'd be willing to part with Ian Clarkin or left-handed OFer Mason Williams in some sort of package (possibly including Brady Lail) with maybe the Cubs adding a reliever, I'd be down. Not too interested in Banuelos. But maybe I should be.

 

In the right package (with the Cubs possibly sending other players like a reliever to NYY or an IFer to TOR), if Hammel can bring back Norris, Clarkin and other high-ceiling/low floor prospects, I'd be thrilled.

 

Extending Samardzija or trading him to the Orioles (Bundy +) or Rockies (Gray or Butler +) seem like the ideal scenarios to me with him.

 

EDIT: Cuz I'm dumb.

Edited May 30, 2014 by CubsWin

[Guest]

I'd like to get a hold of one of the Yankees catching prospects in a Hammel deal. Say, Banuelos, Romine, and Severino? Mason Williams might be an interesting guy to to get in the system too.

 

EDIT: I meant Slade Heathcott instead of Williams, although Williams is a little intriguing.

[Guest]

Just a few random notes - Aaron Judge actually bats righty and Clinton Hollon got TJS two days ago.

[treebird]

Clinton Hollon got TJS two days ago.

 

motivated seller!

[Guest]

Also, Slade Heatcott reinjured his knee and is in NY getting tests.

[CubsWin]

Just a few random notes - Aaron Judge actually bats righty and Clinton Hollon got TJS two days ago.

[expletive]

[StarlinOnYou]

So, what is a realistic package for Hammel?

[KingCubsFan]

So, what is a realistic package for Hammel?

Not sure, but I'm hoping for something from the Rockies involving Corey Dickerson.

[davell]

I'm starting to wonder if there are as few sellers as it looks like there may be.....I'd set his value as the middle ground between Garza and Feldman. Maybe even closer to Garza.

[muntjack]

Not sure what to think of Dickerson. I will say that the entire Rockies team has comical home/road splits (even for them) this year. Dickerson is a major exception. He has always been a little old for his level but he's always hit as well. I haven't seen him in person, but I think I would be very happy with Hammel for Dickerson straight up.

[rawaction]

I think Hammel could bring a package similar to Maholm or Dempster.

[Guest]

In order to figure out what the deal could look like, I'm going back through every deadline pitching deal in 2013 and 2012. I've got the 2013 article up now.

[Guest]

In Brett's roundup this morning he mentions Wittenmyer's piece connecting the Mariners to both Hammel and Shark, and that "one major-league source said he expects Hammel to end up in Seattle". The Mariners fascinate me because they have a bunch of high talent guys with big question marks. Walker, Paxton, and Hultzen are all real good, but all 3 have had shoulder trouble, significant for the latter two. Would they give up on Ackley? John Hicks looks like some decent upper level catching depth if you're into that as a secondary piece. So what would you want from the Mariners in return for Hammel?

[bukie]

In Brett's roundup this morning he mentions Wittenmyer's piece connecting the Mariners to both Hammel and Shark, and that "one major-league source said he expects Hammel to end up in Seattle". The Mariners fascinate me because they have a bunch of high talent guys with big question marks. Walker, Paxton, and Hultzen are all real good, but all 3 have had shoulder trouble, significant for the latter two. Would they give up on Ackley? John Hicks looks like some decent upper level catching depth if you're into that as a secondary piece. So what would you want from the Mariners in return for Hammel?

I mean, I'd at least ask for Walker.

 

Hultzen and Ackley would be more than enough, I'd think.

[Guest]

I was thinking to aim for Paxton and Ackley, but you're probably right. Wonder if adding Schierholtz to 'upgrade' LF would entice them to include Paxton.

[muntjack]

Victor Sanchez is the youngest pitcher in AA by a year and a half, Ks 8 per and has a 1.29 WHIP. He'd definitely be in any deal for me.

[davell]

Victor Sanchez is the youngest pitcher in AA by a year and a half, Ks 8 per and has a 1.29 WHIP. He'd definitely be in any deal for me.

 

Yeah, getting Sanchez in a Hammel deal would be excellent.

 

Why do we like Ackley again?

[Tryptamine]

Victor Sanchez is the youngest pitcher in AA by a year and a half, Ks 8 per and has a 1.29 WHIP. He'd definitely be in any deal for me.

 

I like him and Gohara quite a lot. However, I don't like any of them as much as I like Dan Norris.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Victor Sanchez is the youngest pitcher in AA by a year and a half, Ks 8 per and has a 1.29 WHIP. He'd definitely be in any deal for me.

 

Yeah, getting Sanchez in a Hammel deal would be excellent.

 

Why do we like Ackley again?

I'm pretty sure TT is the only guy who likes Ackley.

 

He does have a career .666 ops, so that's interesting

[Guest]

Why do we like Ackley again?

 

The same reason the White Sox liked Carlos Quentin, for example. Premium prospects who underperform are sometimes fixable with new/different instruction. This would seem especially applicable in Ackley's case because 1) he was a really good prospect with great peripherals 2) he's only been with one pro organization 3) the mariners developmental prowess is...questionable 4) he has the type of approach the front office likes.

 

It's not a slam dunk, a similar thought process is what brought Ian Stewart to Chicago, but if you're going for undervalued assets(and if the Maholm and Feldman trades are any indication, they are), Ackley is a pretty good choice as a target.