Samardzija trade rumors

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[davell]

Thank you. That at least gives a baseline. I'm not one that still blames Hendry. I definitely think we're in all around better shape now than we were then. Fire Hendry immediately? They handcuffed him instead. I see both sides of that.

 

How attractive would the job have been, if you tell the perspective candidates you're not able to do much immediately? Who was potentially available at that time? Did you foresee better options being available at a later date?

 

Was he so bad that none of those questions matter? Possibly.

 

This FO will have had ample time to move past what they inherited.

 

I feel rather certain in saying you're a results based guy. I am as well. But I obviously have a longer string than you do, on judging things. Not sure what else to say here.

 

If this group (Theo and Jed, McLeod will get a GM job at some point) sticks around here for a decade(I suspect they will).....What do you consider success? How many playoff appearances? Does it not matter that they did inherit a much less than ideal situation?

 

Personally, here's my realistic judgment-5 playoff appearances and for the org to be considered in "good shape" after the decade has passed. Fair or not?

[Guest]

I'm not comparing Almora to Jim Edmonds, but Edmonds was among the best, if not the best defensive CF in the last 20 years and he wasn't particularly fast.

 

This [expletive] pie is self created by Tom Ricketts and Theo. They are co-dependent, co-enablers. When the [expletive] hits the fan Tommy Boy is going to throw Theo under the bus. I can see him becoming as well liked as Bill Wirtz. Anyway, carry on.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'd wager that virtually no one here is content with how things are progressing (god knows I'm not), and it is possible to be discontent (or angry, even) with how things are going and not attempt to turn every single discussion into a referendum on how [expletive] "the plan" is. You can, but it's useless and makes you look like a petulant tool. But it feels like some people aren't going to be happy until everyone is reduced to the same level of childish discomposure. Misery loves company, I guess.

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This all started because somebody wrote something stupid to continue the narrative that everything done pre-Theo was an unmitigated nightmare and that's why we'll be terrible indefinitely until it makes sense to try.

 

And there are few here, but good Lord is BN becoming intolerable with the sunshine lollipops and rainbows about a 4-86 team with every prospect failing.

[SouthSideRyan]

Thank you. That at least gives a baseline. I'm not one that still blames Hendry. I definitely think we're in all around better shape now than we were then. Fire Hendry immediately? They handcuffed him instead. I see both sides of that.

 

How attractive would the job have been, if you tell the perspective candidates you're not able to do much immediately? Who was potentially available at that time? Did you foresee better options being available at a later date?

 

I don't know, either Theo was ok with those shitty conditions or he lied to him. I'm sure he could have done the same in 2010.

 

 

Personally, here's my realistic judgment-5 playoff appearances and for the org to be considered in "good shape" after the decade has passed. Fair or not?

 

I don't think that's a very realisitic judgment considering that looks like a 5 out of 6 run to close out their 10 year period. Something Theo couldn't do with Boston when he had an owner worth more than $9.73

 

ETA: Strike that they went 5 out of 6 from '04-'09 after inheriting one of the best teams in baseball AND having an owner ranked above 29th in MLB at funds and lack of revolting creepy smiles

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Epstein and Hoyer were allowed to commit almost $100m to free agents in their second offseason. They weren't as handcuffed as many like to imply. They should have more money to spend, but they've had enough that good decisions could have led to good results.

[Guest]

Henry is way creepier than PTR.

[SouthSideRyan]

Henry is way creepier than PTR.

 

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0604/mlb_a_rickettes_sy_576.jpg

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm not comparing Almora to Jim Edmonds, but Edmonds was among the best, if not the best defensive CF in the last 20 years and he wasn't particularly fast.

 

This [expletive] pie is self created by Tom Ricketts and Theo. They are co-dependent, co-enablers. When the [expletive] hits the fan Tommy Boy is going to throw Theo under the bus. I can see him becoming as well liked as Bill Wirtz. Anyway, carry on.

 

It's too bad Cubs fans are such stupid lemmings because I'd love a Krause-level of boos for him when he hoists the trophy after THE PLAN comes to fruition in 2032.

 

Or I guess worst case one of his doofus kids has to be our Rocky Wirtz come 2045.

[Guest]

Hendry just looked like he was going to keel over at any second. He sort of looked like Emperor Palpatine at the end. Edited May 14, 2014 by CubinNY

[ConstableRabbit]

Henry is way creepier than PTR.

 

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0604/mlb_a_rickettes_sy_576.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01821/John_W_Henry_1821269c.jpg

[davell]

I don't think would have been available prior to us getting him. I honestly don't think he was lied to by PTR. I think they each misjudged the financial ramifications. I think they both counted on extra funds, that are still being held up by the rooftop [expletive]. Personally, I blame the owner for this, as Theo isn't even a part of business ops.

 

After having spent money on Edwin, etc that offseason(just money that had fallen off the books), I see both sides of this past offseason. In the end, I actually AM happy we didn't go after anything prior to Tanaka(who I think we knew we weren't getting). I'd rather spend that money on Despaigne or something else than what was available)

 

As a whole, Kyle saying Theo wants an all prospect team is wrong. But I do think Theo took this job, as a challenge of NEEDING to depend on the farm much more than he did in Boston. Like it or not, this job IS less pressure than Boston. And there's no doubt in my mind that he didn't choose this path. It was told to him in his interview that its what HAD to happen. And he was completely OK with it. People can bitch about Theo all they want, but anyone who took this job was going to be doing the same type of things.

 

Is Theo too calculating? Meaning, is he too immune to taking risks? Maybe. But they've said all along that there was going to be a year they basically went worst to first. I don't think it's time to call him a liar yet.

[davell]

Epstein and Hoyer were allowed to commit almost $100m to free agents in their second offseason. They weren't as handcuffed as many like to imply. They should have more money to spend, but they've had enough that good decisions could have led to good results.

 

I agree somewhat with this. But a sub 100 mill payroll being turned into a playoff team, from where it was, pre-Theo, seems fairly unrealistic. They would have had to hit on things perfectly. This is NOT a "woe is me, they inherited [expletive]" post either. I'm just saying that I'm of the opinion that too many things would have needed to go perfectly .

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't care if they go worst-to-first if it takes them four or five years to do it. Congratu-freaking-lations, you're 1-for-5.

[davell]

I don't care if they go worst-to-first if it takes them four or five years to do it. Congratu-freaking-lations, you're 1-for-5.

 

Point being that the arrow is pointing up and that 4-5, over the next 5 seems plausible. And we're in good shape moving forward after that.

 

I'm not arguing that the first 1-5 is shitty or not .

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The fact that you just went 1-for-5 makes me seriously doubt your ability to go 4-for-5, especially when you could only manage a 67% rate in Boston while inheriting an awesome start.

 

At this point, I'm expecting a total of 3 playoff appearances in Epstein's decade with the Cubs.

[davell]

The fact that you just went 1-for-5 makes me seriously doubt your ability to go 4-for-5, especially when you could only manage a 67% rate in Boston while inheriting an awesome start.

 

At this point, I'm expecting a total of 3 playoff appearances in Epstein's decade with the Cubs.

 

My cut offs for calling this a success-5 playoff appearances or 1 World Series(rightly or wrongly, but that's me)

3 playoff appearances or under is a legit failure.

 

4? Not a success, not a failure-unless the team is in bad shape after year 10.

[SouthSideRyan]

Henry is way creepier than PTR.

 

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0604/mlb_a_rickettes_sy_576.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01821/John_W_Henry_1821269c.jpg

 

http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-insider/files/2011/10/tom-ricketts-firing-hendry.jpeg

[sneakypower]

The fact that you just went 1-for-5 makes me seriously doubt your ability to go 4-for-5, especially when you could only manage a 67% rate in Boston while inheriting an awesome start.

 

At this point, I'm expecting a total of 3 playoff appearances in Epstein's decade with the Cubs.

us making the playoffs within those first two seasons was a near-impossibility, and to pretend otherwise proves you're not even attempting to be remotely objective about things

[ScrubMD]

I don't care if they go worst-to-first if it takes them four or five years to do it. Congratu-freaking-lations, you're 1-for-5.

 

In other words, no matter what, even if the Cubs make the playoffs every year after this year, Kyle is going to keep his act up until *at least* 2018.

[Guest]

I don't care if they go worst-to-first if it takes them four or five years to do it. Congratu-freaking-lations, you're 1-for-5.

 

In other words, no matter what, even if the Cubs make the playoffs every year after this year, Kyle is going to keep his act up until *at least* 2018.

 

If there's anything that Kyle has been consistent about, it's changing his mind pretty easily. As soon as they're good he'll be all Blackhawks like with them.

[imb]

yeah, as soon as we run off a winning streak he'll be posting in blue font and karate kicking tupac posters like it's 2005 around here.

[Guest]

karate kicking tupac posters ROFL

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't care if they go worst-to-first if it takes them four or five years to do it. Congratu-freaking-lations, you're 1-for-5.

 

In other words, no matter what, even if the Cubs make the playoffs every year after this year, Kyle is going to keep his act up until *at least* 2018.

 

If there's anything that Kyle has been consistent about, it's changing his mind pretty easily. As soon as they're good he'll be all Blackhawks like with them.

Oh don't pretend you weren't trying to inject some of the good stuff there buddy.

[Guest]

I've had a ridiculous amount of luck with seeing goals scored (especially game winning OT goals) within a couple of minutes of flipping to the Hawks game to see what was happening.

 

If all hockey were like that, I would definitely watch more.