Who is the Cubs #4 Prospect?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Only one vote again for this poll. The poll will be open for 48 hours.

 

Results so far:

 

1. Javier Baez

2. Kris Bryant

3. Albert Almora

[Guest]

Hitting Prospects > Pitching Prospects

 

 

otherwise, I'd pick Edwards.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Hitting Prospects > Pitching Prospects

 

 

otherwise, I'd pick Edwards.

 

Where do you draw the line? Are you putting Vogelbach or Alcantara over him too?

 

I voted Edwards.

[davell]

Soler 4th, CJ will be 5th for me, because Almora got voted in at 3.

[Bilbo161]

Soler 4th, CJ will be 5th for me, because Almora got voted in at 3.

I am of the same opinion. Soler barely edges out Edwards for now. Maybe double A this year will show some separation.

[Guest]

Hitting Prospects > Pitching Prospects

 

 

otherwise, I'd pick Edwards.

 

Where do you draw the line? Are you putting Vogelbach or Alcantara over him too?

 

I voted Edwards.

As raw prospects, I have Edwards graded out a bit ahead of both Almora and Soler. Since I give a boost to hitting prospects over pitchers, I have my final grades as Soler, Almora, Edwards as 3-4-5.

[Cubswin11]

Soler 4th, CJ will be 5th for me, because Almora got voted in at 3.

This is my situation too. I had Soler at 3, Almora 4, and CJ 5. So just swapping Almora and Soler here.

[jersey cubs fan]

Edwards has a about a season and half's worth of excellence under his belt while Soler has less than one season of good under his belt.

 

I can't put Soler above Edwards even with a greater amount of confidence in hitters. Soler's inability to stay on the field offsets the "pitchers are always an injury concern" aspect.

[A New Era]

Edwards has a about a season and half's worth of excellence under his belt while Soler has less than one season of good under his belt.

 

I can't put Soler above Edwards even with a greater amount of confidence in hitters. Soler's inability to stay on the field offsets the "pitchers are always an injury concern" aspect.

 

This is why I voted CJ too. Now Soler has the ability to have an outstanding year and catapult him no doubt about it. But Edwards has a considerable amount of time of sustained awesomeness and can still get better. I have to go with that for now, than hopeful projection.

[Guest]

Also, I really feel like people don't quite grasp how obscenely good Edwards has been. He's basically been vintage Marmol at hittability with pretty good walk rates and no one hits home runs off him at all. Of minor leaguers with 100 IP last year, no one had a better FIP. In fact, the difference between him and #2 was the same as the difference between #2 and #11. The only lower FIP I can find at Fangraphs(again, min. 100 IP) are Madison Bumgarner's 2008 in Low-A, and (amusingly enough) Rich Hill's 2006 in AAA. Edwards hasn't just been good or better than his scouting report, he's been good in a way that has rarely been seen before. Yes, there are some physical doubts, which is why we don't consider him a monster along the lines of the top prospects we wanted for Samardzija this offseason. But compared to Soler, who while his future is definitely bright, was only 27th in the FSL in wOBA(min 200 PA) and showed rust in the AFL after his injury, it has to be Edwards for me.

[mul21]

Also, I really feel like people don't quite grasp how obscenely good Edwards has been. He's basically been vintage Marmol at hittability with pretty good walk rates and no one hits home runs off him at all. Of minor leaguers with 100 IP last year, no one had a better FIP. In fact, the difference between him and #2 was the same as the difference between #2 and #11. The only lower FIP I can find at Fangraphs(again, min. 100 IP) are Madison Bumgarner's 2008 in Low-A, and (amusingly enough) Rich Hill's 2006 in AAA. Edwards hasn't just been good or better than his scouting report, he's been good in a way that has rarely been seen before. Yes, there are some physical doubts, which is why we don't consider him a monster along the lines of the top prospects we wanted for Samardzija this offseason. But compared to Soler, who while his future is definitely bright, was only 27th in the FSL in wOBA(min 200 PA) and showed rust in the AFL after his injury, it has to be Edwards for me.

 

Well, I went with gut feeling, but this makes me feel a lot better about voting for CJ.

[jersey cubs fan]

Also, I really feel like people don't quite grasp how obscenely good Edwards has been. He's basically been vintage Marmol at hittability with pretty good walk rates and no one hits home runs off him at all. Of minor leaguers with 100 IP last year, no one had a better FIP. In fact, the difference between him and #2 was the same as the difference between #2 and #11. The only lower FIP I can find at Fangraphs(again, min. 100 IP) are Madison Bumgarner's 2008 in Low-A, and (amusingly enough) Rich Hill's 2006 in AAA. Edwards hasn't just been good or better than his scouting report, he's been good in a way that has rarely been seen before. Yes, there are some physical doubts, which is why we don't consider him a monster along the lines of the top prospects we wanted for Samardzija this offseason. But compared to Soler, who while his future is definitely bright, was only 27th in the FSL in wOBA(min 200 PA) and showed rust in the AFL after his injury, it has to be Edwards for me.

 

That too.

[A New Era]

Also, I really feel like people don't quite grasp how obscenely good Edwards has been. He's basically been vintage Marmol at hittability with pretty good walk rates and no one hits home runs off him at all. Of minor leaguers with 100 IP last year, no one had a better FIP. In fact, the difference between him and #2 was the same as the difference between #2 and #11. The only lower FIP I can find at Fangraphs(again, min. 100 IP) are Madison Bumgarner's 2008 in Low-A, and (amusingly enough) Rich Hill's 2006 in AAA. Edwards hasn't just been good or better than his scouting report, he's been good in a way that has rarely been seen before. Yes, there are some physical doubts, which is why we don't consider him a monster along the lines of the top prospects we wanted for Samardzija this offseason. But compared to Soler, who while his future is definitely bright, was only 27th in the FSL in wOBA(min 200 PA) and showed rust in the AFL after his injury, it has to be Edwards for me.

 

Hearing you say that makes me think, damn. Edwards better be in MLB's RHP top 10 later this morning. I know there are some amazing RHP prospects. But Edwards should atleast make top 10 hearing that.

 

And he didn't make it.

Edited January 15, 2014 by A New Era

[wekim81]

Edwards has a about a season and half's worth of excellence under his belt while Soler has less than one season of good under his belt.

 

I can't put Soler above Edwards even with a greater amount of confidence in hitters. Soler's inability to stay on the field offsets the "pitchers are always an injury concern" aspect.

i agree with this

[A New Era]

Also, I really feel like people don't quite grasp how obscenely good Edwards has been. He's basically been vintage Marmol at hittability with pretty good walk rates and no one hits home runs off him at all. Of minor leaguers with 100 IP last year, no one had a better FIP. In fact, the difference between him and #2 was the same as the difference between #2 and #11. The only lower FIP I can find at Fangraphs(again, min. 100 IP) are Madison Bumgarner's 2008 in Low-A, and (amusingly enough) Rich Hill's 2006 in AAA. Edwards hasn't just been good or better than his scouting report, he's been good in a way that has rarely been seen before. Yes, there are some physical doubts, which is why we don't consider him a monster along the lines of the top prospects we wanted for Samardzija this offseason. But compared to Soler, who while his future is definitely bright, was only 27th in the FSL in wOBA(min 200 PA) and showed rust in the AFL after his injury, it has to be Edwards for me.

 

Hearing you say that makes me think, damn. Edwards better be in MLB's RHP top 10 later this morning. I know there are some amazing RHP prospects. But Edwards should atleast make top 10 hearing that.

 

And he didn't make it.

[jumbo]

Also, I really feel like people don't quite grasp how obscenely good Edwards has been. He's basically been vintage Marmol at hittability with pretty good walk rates and no one hits home runs off him at all. Of minor leaguers with 100 IP last year, no one had a better FIP. In fact, the difference between him and #2 was the same as the difference between #2 and #11. The only lower FIP I can find at Fangraphs(again, min. 100 IP) are Madison Bumgarner's 2008 in Low-A, and (amusingly enough) Rich Hill's 2006 in AAA. Edwards hasn't just been good or better than his scouting report, he's been good in a way that has rarely been seen before. Yes, there are some physical doubts, which is why we don't consider him a monster along the lines of the top prospects we wanted for Samardzija this offseason. But compared to Soler, who while his future is definitely bright, was only 27th in the FSL in wOBA(min 200 PA) and showed rust in the AFL after his injury, it has to be Edwards for me.

 

Well, I went with gut feeling, but this makes me feel a lot better about voting for CJ.

 

Converted me to CJ instead of Soler

[A New Era]

Also, I really feel like people don't quite grasp how obscenely good Edwards has been. He's basically been vintage Marmol at hittability with pretty good walk rates and no one hits home runs off him at all. Of minor leaguers with 100 IP last year, no one had a better FIP. In fact, the difference between him and #2 was the same as the difference between #2 and #11. The only lower FIP I can find at Fangraphs(again, min. 100 IP) are Madison Bumgarner's 2008 in Low-A, and (amusingly enough) Rich Hill's 2006 in AAA. Edwards hasn't just been good or better than his scouting report, he's been good in a way that has rarely been seen before. Yes, there are some physical doubts, which is why we don't consider him a monster along the lines of the top prospects we wanted for Samardzija this offseason. But compared to Soler, who while his future is definitely bright, was only 27th in the FSL in wOBA(min 200 PA) and showed rust in the AFL after his injury, it has to be Edwards for me.

 

Well, I went with gut feeling, but this makes me feel a lot better about voting for CJ.

 

Converted me to CJ instead of Soler

 

Looking at the poll a few times over the last day. It looks like TT made more ppl switch their votes, lol.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I've changed my vote three times based on arguments in the thread.

 

Soler is just really hard to evaluate.

[Sammy Sofa]

[expletive], I want him to be our Sexy Cuban Stallion. That first home run was just a prelude to the glory that will come.

[Guest]

I've changed my vote three times based on arguments in the thread.

 

Soler is just really hard to evaluate.

 

It's hard for me to get past the K and BB numbers and think he's not going to be successful.

 

I'm gonna need another year out of CJ before I'm sold that he's THAT good. Let's see what he does at AA.

[treebird]

this might be completely bogus, but part of what worries me about edwards is just the way we got him. the fact that we got him AND other pieces of some value for a couple months of garza says that the team that knows him best certainly doesn't regard him as a particularly great prospect. it might be that they just had concerns about his size and are morons who gave away something extremely special, but i think that it's at least worth nothing.

[A New Era]

this might be completely bogus, but part of what worries me about edwards is just the way we got him. the fact that we got him AND other pieces of some value for a couple months of garza says that the team that knows him best certainly doesn't regard him as a particularly great prospect. it might be that they just had concerns about his size and are morons who gave away something extremely special, but i think that it's at least worth nothing.

 

Hey the Mets got Noah Syndergaard for RA Dickey. Some times teams stupidly give away special players in mid season desperation mode. What we got for Garza was widely considered as a great get. Seeing as CJ was the main piece, and Olt had way fallen off the prospect rankings. Why is it so crazy to think he can be a special player?

[ScrubMD]

Also, I really feel like people don't quite grasp how obscenely good Edwards has been. He's basically been vintage Marmol at hittability with pretty good walk rates and no one hits home runs off him at all. Of minor leaguers with 100 IP last year, no one had a better FIP. In fact, the difference between him and #2 was the same as the difference between #2 and #11. The only lower FIP I can find at Fangraphs(again, min. 100 IP) are Madison Bumgarner's 2008 in Low-A, and (amusingly enough) Rich Hill's 2006 in AAA. Edwards hasn't just been good or better than his scouting report, he's been good in a way that has rarely been seen before. Yes, there are some physical doubts, which is why we don't consider him a monster along the lines of the top prospects we wanted for Samardzija this offseason. But compared to Soler, who while his future is definitely bright, was only 27th in the FSL in wOBA(min 200 PA) and showed rust in the AFL after his injury, it has to be Edwards for me.

 

I was going to say pretty much this same thing, verbatim. I knew all those same stats and everything, but saw that you already posted this.

 

But anyway, I voted for Edwards, too.

[Little Slide Rooter]

My basis is not only Soler's "monster tools" if he can stay healthy, but an irrational mistrust of late round picks.

[imb]

Soler still gets a legacy grade from me. If he doesn't light it up the first two months, while we continue to get excellence from Edwards, I'll change my mind.